The Ukraine Situation

[CatfatherB]

biden clearly has dementia

That's just preposterous. If Rump was President we'd already be taken over by Sputim.

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

[herbalhippie]

omg

https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 6669741063

[MetalMamaRocks]

omg

https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 6669741063

Wow, that's beautiful and haunting at the same time.

[herbalhippie]

omg

https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 6669741063

Wow, that's beautiful and haunting at the same time.

It's made me cry a few times today.

Here is his IG

https://www.instagram.com/alexpian_official/

[PistolsAtDawn]

I've literally cried multiple times when I think about the citizens of Ukraine. This war is senseless. Lots of senseless stuff happens all over the world all the time unfortunately - but not in Europe. This is a travesty the likes of which we have not seen in decades. I hate this so very much.

Putin fears most being dragged through the streets and being literally ripped apart by angry citizens. I sure hope that's what happens to him. After this, he deserves nothing more.

[K-fox]

Wow you guys, I’ve read through most of the thread and I’m surprised that there are no mentions of the coup that happened in 2014. You know, the western/US backed coup, using neofascist gangs, violently overthrew the government of Ukraine, and installed an anti-Russian/ultra-nationalist/ pro western puppet government. That government which then went on an anti-Russian fascistic crusade against the Russian speaking population of Ukraine and their culture, which is inseparable from Ukraine itself, hence the referendum in Crimea which voted 98% to re-join Russia and the formation of the Donbass republics which erupted into a 8 year civil war, in which the Ukrainian armed forces and neo-nazi battalions were shelling the towns and cities and committing countless atrocities and war crimes against their own citizens. You realize that it’s not just Russia fighting the war. There are armies of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics fighting alongside Russia. These are Ukranians, and there are 10’s of thousands of them.

No nazis in Ukraine? It’s infested with nazis, particularly West Ukraine. It’s not propaganda. It goes back to WW2, where certain Ukrainian nationalist factions joined the Germans. They also had their own SS divisions, which were some of the most brutal and horrific. They had a strong nationalist, anti-Russian sentiment. And it is that sentiment and ideology that has seized control in many aspects of Ukraine today since the coup and has been brainwashing their citizens with it and turning them hostile against Russia for the last 8 years. They however are a minority and don’t speak for most Ukrainians, yet they are trying to push these ideologies on the entire country.

Zelensky being Jewish is irrelevant. He’s just a puppet, an actor. He is a nationalist and he is either aligned with them or is being manipulated by them. They are using him and hiding behind him being Jewish.

I’d recommend you guys watch Oliver Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire” if you wanna know more about the history of this conflict. I think you’d be pretty horrified about what you are supporting when you shout “Slava Ukraini!”.

[herbalhippie]

I've literally cried multiple times when I think about the citizens of Ukraine. This war is senseless. Lots of senseless stuff happens all over the world all the time unfortunately - but not in Europe. This is a travesty the likes of which we have not seen in decades. I hate this so very much.

Putin fears most being dragged through the streets and being literally ripped apart by angry citizens. I sure hope that's what happens to him. After this, he deserves nothing more.

I don't think a day has gone by since Russia invaded that I haven't shed a few tears. And not just about Ukraine, but that's what got my emotions ramped up. It doesn't take much these days.

Ripped apart by angry citizens sounds good. I'd probably pay to see it at this point.

[Jking]

biden clearly has dementia

That's just preposterous. If Rump was President we'd already be taken over by Sputim.

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

The intelligence of common folk as either took a deep dive, or people are more easily fooled with social media these days. No other country should matter more than America for Americans. Look at North Korea they run it like hitler did Germany with labor camps with kids in them. The Ukraine is not near as bad off compared to them but you don’t see none trying to even help them. I’m not saying we shouldn’t care but we should worry about what going on in our own country first. Make a thread about the downfall of America. Look around you; when trump was president other countries respected us instead of laughing at us. The economy was the best it’s been under trump now it’s the worst it’s been in 50 years. The dollar store is no longer the dollar store all thanks to Biden but yeah keep thinking he’s the better option. I just stating facts not opinions the economy was better under trump now the world is falling apart thanks to a evil cabal that stole an election to put a man who can barley remember his name up there as a figure head as they hasten the destruction of America, and by default the world as it was because without America the world cannot run as it is now. Do you know how rare it is to have someone’s actually devoted to American interest instead of internal benefits. It’s incredibly rare but trump was devoted to making America great again, and so many people hated him even as he showed results.

[herbalhippie]

Let's try to keep as much American politics in the Political thread as we can. Thanks.

[K-fox]

That's just preposterous. If Rump was President we'd already be taken over by Sputim.

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

The intelligence of common folk as either took a deep dive, or people are more easily fooled with social media these days. No other country should matter more than America for Americans. Look at North Korea they run it like hitler did Germany with labor camps with kids in them. The Ukraine is not near as bad off compared to them but you don’t see none trying to even help them. I’m not saying we shouldn’t care but we should worry about what going on in our own country first. Make a thread about the downfall of America. Look around you; when trump was president other countries respected us instead of laughing at us. The economy was the best it’s been under trump now it’s the worst it’s been in 50 years. The dollar store is no longer the dollar store all thanks to Biden but yeah keep thinking he’s the better option. I just stating facts not opinions the economy was better under trump now the world is falling apart thanks to a evil cabal that stole an election to put a man who can barley remember his name up there as a figure head as they hasten the destruction of America, and by default the world as it was because without America the world cannot run as it is now. Do you know how rare it is to have someone’s actually devoted to American interest instead of internal benefits. It’s incredibly rare but trump was devoted to making America great again, and so many people hated him even as he showed results.

Another thing to consider is under Obama the Ukrainian coup happened which started the conflict. Then under Trump, everything was relatively peaceful. Immediately after Biden gets in, things start heating up again leading to the the war today. Makes you go hmmm

[StringThing]

Oh, nope. That's it for me on this board.

Won't continue posting where my comments are censored.

String, you know we rarely censor here but that comment was absolutely incendiary and it's been gone over already. There's no reason to go there again and there's no reason to make my job as a moderator any harder than it is. You know I appreciate you as a poster, but I also appreciate our other members. Trying to keep a delicate balance here.

Do you see what rigid adherence to civility brings?

If you are civil to uncivil ideas, you effectively accept them into discourse. And by allowing such ideas to exist within discourse, you give them the space to breathe and propagate.

See: Trump 2016

See: Putin 2022

I can tell you right now that I am here to make your job as a moderator harder and to bring more incivility to this forum. Not as a purposeful endeavor, to degrade the quality of this forum, but as a means of what I believe to be spreading a truthful message. It is something I see as necessary in a world where misinformation and incivility has taken hold.

I know you are quite a bit older than me and have likely lived your life in a time where civility was the preferable option... but you have to realize that we are dealing with the very plausible adoption of fascism and cultish fanaticism in the western hemisphere.

Anyone not concerned about the Macron/Le Penn election should be.

but yea, lets talk about Obama. Sure. Why the fuck not.

[StringThing]

Wow you guys, I’ve read through most of the thread and I’m surprised that there are no mentions of the coup that happened in 2014. You know, the western/US backed coup, using neofascist gangs, violently overthrew the government of Ukraine, and installed an anti-Russian/ultra-nationalist/ pro western puppet government. That government which then went on an anti-Russian fascistic crusade against the Russian speaking population of Ukraine and their culture, which is inseparable from Ukraine itself, hence the referendum in Crimea which voted 98% to re-join Russia and the formation of the Donbass republics which erupted into a 8 year civil war, in which the Ukrainian armed forces and neo-nazi battalions were shelling the towns and cities and committing countless atrocities and war crimes against their own citizens. You realize that it’s not just Russia fighting the war. There are armies of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics fighting alongside Russia. These are Ukranians, and there are 10’s of thousands of them.

No nazis in Ukraine? It’s infested with nazis, particularly West Ukraine. It’s not propaganda. It goes back to WW2, where certain Ukrainian nationalist factions joined the Germans. They also had their own SS divisions, which were some of the most brutal and horrific. They had a strong nationalist, anti-Russian sentiment. And it is that sentiment and ideology that has seized control in many aspects of Ukraine today since the coup and has been brainwashing their citizens with it and turning them hostile against Russia for the last 8 years. They however are a minority and don’t speak for most Ukrainians, yet they are trying to push these ideologies on the entire country.

Zelensky being Jewish is irrelevant. He’s just a puppet, an actor. He is a nationalist and he is either aligned with them or is being manipulated by them. They are using him and hiding behind him being Jewish.

I’d recommend you guys watch Oliver Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire” if you wanna know more about the history of this conflict. I think you’d be pretty horrified about what you are supporting when you shout “Slava Ukraini!”.

There were protests in Ukraine during 2013/2014

There was NOT a coup, lmao

Its comparable to the BLM riots. A sign of society demanding change.

Big surprise that the people elected a leader who more represented that change than the opposition.

There was no violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government. They have the same constitution that was drafted in 1996. I urge you to look at the changes actually made in 2014.

Tell me how a country of Nazis could have a Jew for president.

[StringThing]

biden clearly has dementia

That's just preposterous. If Rump was President we'd already be taken over by Sputim.

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

You are a massive fucking idiot and I just want you to know that. I don't care if I get banned from this forum forever. You are an idiot. lol. Your perception of the world is so banal and simplified. I could use smarter words to describe this but I won't. You're just a fucking idiot.

[CatfatherB]

That's just preposterous. If Rump was President we'd already be taken over by Sputim.

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

You are a massive fucking idiot and I just want you to know that. I don't care if I get banned from this forum forever. You are an idiot. lol. Your perception of the world is so banal and simplified. I could use smarter words to describe this but I won't. You're just a fucking idiot.

Well then, bye


"string" dried was the only string that matters on this forum

[StringThing]

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

You are a massive fucking idiot and I just want you to know that. I don't care if I get banned from this forum forever. You are an idiot. lol. Your perception of the world is so banal and simplified. I could use smarter words to describe this but I won't. You're just a fucking idiot.

Well then, bye


"string" dried was the only string that matters on this forum

Bye, idiot.

[K-fox]

Wow you guys, I’ve read through most of the thread and I’m surprised that there are no mentions of the coup that happened in 2014. You know, the western/US backed coup, using neofascist gangs, violently overthrew the government of Ukraine, and installed an anti-Russian/ultra-nationalist/ pro western puppet government. That government which then went on an anti-Russian fascistic crusade against the Russian speaking population of Ukraine and their culture, which is inseparable from Ukraine itself, hence the referendum in Crimea which voted 98% to re-join Russia and the formation of the Donbass republics which erupted into a 8 year civil war, in which the Ukrainian armed forces and neo-nazi battalions were shelling the towns and cities and committing countless atrocities and war crimes against their own citizens. You realize that it’s not just Russia fighting the war. There are armies of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics fighting alongside Russia. These are Ukranians, and there are 10’s of thousands of them.

No nazis in Ukraine? It’s infested with nazis, particularly West Ukraine. It’s not propaganda. It goes back to WW2, where certain Ukrainian nationalist factions joined the Germans. They also had their own SS divisions, which were some of the most brutal and horrific. They had a strong nationalist, anti-Russian sentiment. And it is that sentiment and ideology that has seized control in many aspects of Ukraine today since the coup and has been brainwashing their citizens with it and turning them hostile against Russia for the last 8 years. They however are a minority and don’t speak for most Ukrainians, yet they are trying to push these ideologies on the entire country.

Zelensky being Jewish is irrelevant. He’s just a puppet, an actor. He is a nationalist and he is either aligned with them or is being manipulated by them. They are using him and hiding behind him being Jewish.

I’d recommend you guys watch Oliver Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire” if you wanna know more about the history of this conflict. I think you’d be pretty horrified about what you are supporting when you shout “Slava Ukraini!”.

There were protests in Ukraine during 2013/2014

There was NOT a coup, lmao

Its comparable to the BLM riots. A sign of society demanding change.

Big surprise that the people elected a leader who more represented that change than the opposition.

There was no violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government. They have the same constitution that was drafted in 1996. I urge you to look at the changes actually made in 2014.

Tell me how a country of Nazis could have a Jew for president.

It was most certainly a coup. The protesters started peacefully and later were joined by fascist paramilitary gangs which violently overthrew the government. It had lots of outside influence, mainly US. There is footage of McCain posing and shaking hands with neo-nazis and sharing a stage with them at a protest. The new government went on to create laws such as removing the Russian language as one of the official languages. Forbid the Russian language in schools and certain public places. They were denying WW2 vets to celebrate their victory. They were having massive torch marches in support of ww2 nazi collaborators, formed neo-nazi militia battalions, which later were officially incorporated officially into their armed forces. That’s just a few examples off the top of my head. There are many more. Look into Right Sector, Svoboda Party etc. Like I said earlier, they do not represent all the people of Ukraine but their influence and power goes a long way. Zelensky got elected on the premise of ending the war in Donbass, hence why the Russian speaking half of Ukraine also voted for him. He was unable to do that and the nationalists did not listen to him nor take him seriously, so he clearly does not have much power or he has joined with them for a common cause. Not to mention the obvious influence of our gov in his decision making. Him being Jewish is irrelevant. There are pictures of him shaking hands with nazis. When you think of Ukranian nazis, think more of anti-Russian rather than anti-Jew, even though some are real sieg heiling nazis.

[K-fox]

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[Kalico]

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You are a massive fucking idiot and I just want you to know that. I don't care if I get banned from this forum forever. You are an idiot. lol. Your perception of the world is so banal and simplified. I could use smarter words to describe this but I won't. You're just a fucking idiot.
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Waiting for a response to this lowlife by the moderator. Oh, but that's not going to happen because she agrees with him. He's free to call anyone he disagrees with Nazi's, racists, White Supremacist's, Q conspirators ect. He also free to lie all he wants. If you call him out your told to block him so you can't see his posts. The he can call you a Nazi and you wont know it. Great solution. I think it's time to mover on to a less biased venue.

[Loveandpeace]

You are a massive fucking idiot and I just want you to know that. I don't care if I get banned from this forum forever. You are an idiot. lol. Your perception of the world is so banal and simplified. I could use smarter words to describe this but I won't. You're just a fucking idiot.
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Waiting for a response to this lowlife by the moderator. Oh, but that's not going to happen because she agrees with him. He's free to call anyone he disagrees with Nazi's, racists, White Supremacist's, Q conspirators ect. He also free to lie all he wants. If you call him out your told to block him so you can't see his posts. The he can call you a Nazi and you wont know it. Great solution. I think it's time to mover on to a less biased venue.
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Every string of StringThings strings sting, however, StringThings strings sing the truth. He/She can back it ALL up with verifiable sources through and through. All you need to do is read their past posts.

I agree that some of the wording is terse, maybe even obscuring the seriousness of the situation but they are correct. They are trying to find a way to cope with the onslaught of mis info zombies that are lurking around every corner, even this sweet bastion we call MM.

It is exhausting knowing that we can make your arguments better than you... we have. That is what smart people do, analyze every side with limited environmental input and THEN make a decision.

Were you really just waiting, arms crossed, for the Mod to punish them?

[BallzDeep9]

You are a massive fucking idiot and I just want you to know that. I don't care if I get banned from this forum forever. You are an idiot. lol. Your perception of the world is so banal and simplified. I could use smarter words to describe this but I won't. You're just a fucking idiot.

So ?? The world, and the USA, and every Forum on the Internet, these days - seems to be full of idiots. Why should MM be any different?

Look, the major Propaganda effort by Putin here in USA, over the past five years ?? Is the BS "Both Sides are the Same" argument... along with Anti government, Anti science, Anti News media, Anti teachers doctors and journalists. Anyone with a College Degree, is now called Elitist by the religious racist Republican Qanon moron crowd.

World War III anyone ?? Yes, there's a LOT of idiots -aka- people of low education basically - Both here AND in Russia and in Ukraine. A majority of idiots just re-elected Viktor Orban in Hungary, that guy supports Putin... look what's happening in France. Many people in Russia, do support Putin, but should they "Get a Pass" because it's a known Fact that the general population has been... brainwashed ? The Information War is a big part of what's happening.

The Big Picture ?? Oligarchy. It's the worldwide Oligarchy -VS- Democracy, and pretty easy to see who's supporting them here in USA. . A super right wing Republican from Idaho, running for Congress, says America should be a "Monarchy". NOT the liberal democracy we know and love.... King Rump ? lol

[Lokey]

Yea the world wasn't laughing at the US with hot air buffoon balloons.

[herbalhippie]

Yea the world wasn't laughing at the US with hot air buffoon balloons.

The world, or a lot of it, was probably absolutely appalled.

[Lokey]

Yea the world wasn't laughing at the US with hot air buffoon balloons.

The world, or a lot of it, was probably absolutely appalled.

For a fact! We were a mockery. I'm having a hard time believing all the s**t that's happened and is happening.

[herbalhippie]

Yea the world wasn't laughing at the US with hot air buffoon balloons.

The world, or a lot of it, was probably absolutely appalled.

For a fact! We were a mockery. I'm having a hard time believing all the s**t that's happened and is happening.

I know, me too.

[K-fox]

So ?? The world, and the USA, and every Forum on the
Look, the major Propaganda effort by Putin here in USA, over the past five years ?? Is the BS "Both Sides are the Same" argument... along with Anti government, Anti science, Anti News media, Anti teachers doctors and journalists. Anyone with a College Degree, is now called Elitist by the religious racist Republican Qanon moron crowd.

So, you do not think that those institutions deserve criticism and questioning based on their own merit? It’s easy to label everything that goes against the mainstream narrative as “Russian propaganda” or whatever. Much easier than applying critical thinking and questioning your own belief system, and that maybe the people we are supposed to trust really don’t have our best interests at heart.

[BallzDeep9]

So, you do not think that those institutions deserve criticism and questioning based on their own merit? It’s easy to label everything that goes against the mainstream narrative as “Russian propaganda” or whatever. Much easier than applying critical thinking and questioning your own belief system, and that maybe the people we are supposed to trust really don’t have our best interests at heart.

No. It's not "whatever", it IS in FACT - Russian Propaganda. aka Information Warfare - and you've bought into THAT False narrative. . It's BS and you've been suckered. Everything that Putin & Trump, put forth is a damn LIE.. very calculated lying, very sophisticated, this stuff has 100 years of study in Human Psychology and brainwashing technique.. Putin's got his own Marketing/ Programming/ Psychology folks to wage this constant dis-information campaign. He really cranked it up, like 6 years ago.. Got an entire building full of Russian Trolls, who get paid to push his Propaganda.

Did you somehow miss, our U.S. Intelligence Reports about this ?? He (and his buddy Rupert Murdoch), got you so mixed-up that you're not even paying attention - which is the whole point - Think about what you're saying here. WHO is this "mainstream narrative" this Conspiracy Theory - that controls all News Media ?? Answer is - There is none - Your whole "MSM" thing, is exactly what he wants you to believe... So you'll stop paying attention. And then - Vote stupidly. Or don't Vote at all - because you got confused. Putin ALMOST destroyed the USA from within - 74 Million people voted for his stooge in 2020!!

A BIG # of Americans, still live in caves with their beebel boobel biibles.. Its like people can't handle The Internet. Remember that old Jack Nicholson quote "You can't handle The Truth!" - What do professional reporters and journalists do ?? They seek and report "The Truth". Literally 1000's of people out there, working for many dozens of News organizations. Sure, individual Reporters can be criticized. Any Journalist who LIES, could lose their job. And certainly be "called out" by peers - In a Democracy, WE have a thing called Free Press. also Freedom Of Speech... things we take for granted ? But those would get you thrown in Prison in Russia. OR in Trump's America?

Remember, Communist Russia had an expression... Useful Idiots. Americans who BUY into Putin's propaganda are acting like... Useful Idiots.

[e_poison]

Waiting for a response to this lowlife by the moderator.

They were temporarily banned shortly after making that post. If it happens again, it will be permanent. Just because you don't see any public action being taken, doesn't mean we're not working behind the scenes.

Some of these threads have unfortunately become wastelands and I'm super close to to just banning any and all political talk in any form here (unless it relates directly to kratom and kratom legislation). It generally creates nothing but fights between users and headaches for the mods. This is a kratom forum, I feel there are better places to discuss politics.

[K-fox]

So, you do not think that those institutions deserve criticism and questioning based on their own merit? It’s easy to label everything that goes against the mainstream narrative as “Russian propaganda” or whatever. Much easier than applying critical thinking and questioning your own belief system, and that maybe the people we are supposed to trust really don’t have our best interests at heart.

No. It's not "whatever", it IS in FACT - Russian Propaganda. aka Information Warfare - and you've bought into THAT False narrative. . It's BS and you've been suckered. Everything that Putin & Trump, put forth is a damn LIE.. very calculated lying, very sophisticated, this stuff has 100 years of study in Human Psychology and brainwashing technique.. Putin's got his own Marketing/ Programming/ Psychology folks to wage this constant dis-information campaign. He really cranked it up, like 6 years ago.. Got an entire building full of Russian Trolls, who get paid to push his Propaganda.

Did you somehow miss, our U.S. Intelligence Reports about this ?? He (and his buddy Rupert Murdoch), got you so mixed-up that you're not even paying attention - which is the whole point - Think about what you're saying here. WHO is this "mainstream narrative" this Conspiracy Theory - that controls all News Media ?? Answer is - There is none - Your whole "MSM" thing, is exactly what he wants you to believe... So you'll stop paying attention. And then - Vote stupidly. Or don't Vote at all - because you got confused. Putin ALMOST destroyed the USA from within - 74 Million people voted for his stooge in 2020!!

A BIG # of Americans, still live in caves with their beebel boobel biibles.. Its like people can't handle The Internet. Remember that old Jack Nicholson quote "You can't handle The Truth!" - What do professional reporters and journalists do ?? They seek and report "The Truth". Literally 1000's of people out there, working for many dozens of News organizations. Sure, individual Reporters can be criticized. Any Journalist who LIES, could lose their job. And certainly be "called out" by peers - In a Democracy, WE have a thing called Free Press. also Freedom Of Speech... things we take for granted ? But those would get you thrown in Prison in Russia. OR in Trump's America?

Remember, Communist Russia had an expression... Useful Idiots. Americans who BUY into Putin's propaganda are acting like... Useful Idiots.

I think you have me pegged for someone else because I never said I was a Trump or Putin supporter. I don’t devote myself to any single personality, mindset, ideology, political party, or paradigm. I am very familiar with information warfare, and I don’t doubt that there is foreign interference going on. However, I believe that the vast majority of it comes from our own institutions thru the media, big tech, academia, gov, and the entertainment industry. lIt has become blatantly obvious to me and many other people. And you don’t have to be a fringe right-winger to see it. Many on the left are waking up to it as well. The conspiracy is the network of global “elites” wanting to create a system of total control of the entire population. This is not a theory or Russian propaganda. They talk about it openly and they have been writing about it in their books for many decades. Once you know what their plan/end goal is, then the manipulative narratives on the news and elsewhere become much easier to spot. They are not the free press. They are the state/corporate press. They don’t objectively report the news. They tell you how and what to think and shape your perception of reality, and by using divide and conquer tactics to further their agenda. Real journalism gets censored by the big tech platforms as “misinformation” because the truth would easily expose their lies. These manufactured narratives can only exist in a tightly controlled environment with no real forum for debate and discourse, because as soon as real facts are presented, the narrative falls apart.

[BallzDeep9]

I think you have me pegged for someone else because I never said I was a Trump or Putin supporter.

Alright well, I guess I wanted to Reply to you OR, the person above who was pushing the Kremlin narrative; sorry it was too personalized, and we have limited time here to proof-read and Reply to 3 different folks all making various political statements; the post about Oliver Stone's doc paid by Putin is what I disagree with & it sounded like you agreed with that and on and on... Yeah I see E's point about politics but, we may be entering a WWIII scenario imo and we've got Elections this year and, people are pretty fired up. Or they should be, at least ??

Look I just went to Lunch with my relatives, who have friends and relatives, who are Anti-Vaxx and now living in the woods refusing to give their kids medical care... I've got an old dear Friend in another state, who I just found out, has gone full Qanon and has cut ties with all her friends and family... There's some real shit happening to our society.

On Maddows show last night, it was revealed that Russian hackers HAVE, in fact, installed Malware at many Industrial sites which are part of OUR electrical grid - And - When not IF, do they attack our Power Grid and >poof< Out go the lights, the Internet, Cell towers, etc. So... Fear mongering ? OR real serious shit, going down behind the scenes. You tell me ??

[K-fox]

I think you have me pegged for someone else because I never said I was a Trump or Putin supporter.

Alright well, I guess I wanted to Reply to you OR, the person above who was pushing the Kremlin narrative; sorry it was too personalized, and we have limited time here to proof-read and Reply to 3 different folks all making various political statements; the post about Oliver Stone's doc paid by Putin is what I disagree with & it sounded like you agreed with that and on and on... Yeah I see E's point about politics but, we may be entering a WWIII scenario imo and we've got Elections this year and, people are pretty fired up. Or they should be, at least ??

Look I just went to Lunch with my relatives, who have friends and relatives, who are Anti-Vaxx and now living in the woods refusing to give their kids medical care... I've got an old dear Friend in another state, who I just found out, has gone full Qanon and has cut ties with all her friends and family... There's some real shit happening to our society.

On Maddows show last night, it was revealed that Russian hackers HAVE, in fact, installed Malware at many Industrial sites which are part of OUR electrical grid - And - When not IF, do they attack our Power Grid and >poof< Out go the lights, the Internet, Cell towers, etc. So... Fear mongering ? OR real serious shit, going down behind the scenes. You tell me ??

I meant that I can have different opinions about a controversial subject and not automatically be put into a certain box. I believe the Oliver Stone film has a lot of factual information in it. It is telling the other side of the story which is untold here in the US. And it has a lot of documented footage to back up its claims. Doesn’t mean I agree with everything Putin says or does.

Yeah. Well, I believe the social discord is deliberate. The more people are divided, the easier they are to manipulate and control. I’m all about putting differences aside and trying to find common ground with people that have different political views. I realize that can be challenging, and the powers that be do everything they can to keep us divided. It does seem like they are trying to push us into some type of war scenario with Russia. I hope that they don’t succeed and that there is some kind of peaceful resolution to the Ukraine situation.

I don’t know about the power grid thing. Seems unlikely that Russia would do that at this stage, because it would be an act of war with severe consequences. I can picture our own government doing something like that and then blaming it on Russia as a justification to go to war or to bring on more draconian security measures domestically, or perhaps to further collapse society and implement the Great Reset. It seems odd that if there really is malware, that we can’t remove it or clean the systems, and that our industrial infrastructure is so volatile. We are supposed to be the most technologically advanced nation on earth.

[K-fox]

Jimmy Dore on the Ukraine situation:
https://youtu.be/KfaAyiP8Wuc

[herbalhippie]

This thread is amazing.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen ... inian_war/

[Jking]

Waiting for a response to this lowlife by the moderator.

They were temporarily banned shortly after making that post. If it happens again, it will be permanent. Just because you don't see any public action being taken, doesn't mean we're not working behind the scenes.

Some of these threads have unfortunately become wastelands and I'm super close to to just banning any and all political talk in any form here (unless it relates directly to kratom and kratom legislation). It generally creates nothing but fights between users and headaches for the mods. This is a kratom forum, I feel there are better places to discuss politics.

I think this would be for the best. There are plenty of places to talk about politics, and this is just gonna keep escalating. stringthing already proved he’d can’t be civil, and he started the thread. We can’t call people idiots just because we don’t agree with them that’s childish plus a cheap tactic. The whole point of a discussion is to discuss not shoot down other peoples opinions/ facts by saying they are stupid with nothing else to say. That’s not constructive. This forum has always been cool but politics are never going to be a nice discussion rather than name calling in my experience. I don’t think we want this here. I’m glad something was done.

[brave777]

Honestly i think people are pretty awake here, everyone knows what going on..

[herbalhippie]

PLEASE STOP WITH THE CONSPIRACY STUFF IN THIS THREAD THANK YOU

[Salt miner]

Literally everything is propaganda I don't trust a single thing I hear from any news organization because they know only what Ukraine or Russia tells them it's all bs. What I do know is the biden sent Ukraine 40 billion dollars while in the middle of an economic crisis and rapidly rising crime rates which makes zero sense to me. Let Ukraine deal with their own problems why does the USA have to be involved in everything. It's just corruption plain and simple

[Totomman]

Is that Patrick Lancaster on YouTube real? He shows almost the exact opposite of what I see on tv. Russian soldiers escorting Ukrainians out of harms way etc https://youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday

[FartBlaster]

I have a potentially unpopular opinion. USA needs to not spend another dollar giving them weapons good luck Ukraine , it sucks but our country is founded on trade with all and alliance with none. Let Russia take it if that's the outcome. Let's not piss China's ally off or risk a bomb with an American flag on it exploding in Russia and doing what Ukraine wants , which is drag out asses into this. This avoids the nuclear option Russia is threatening and how does Russia taking Ukraine going to affect any American lives , I can answer that it won't. Russia has been beefing with Ukraine since 2014 and considers Ukraine part of their land I got one feel bad for the Ukrainian people but won't lose any sleep if Russia takes it. That's enevitably what will happen anyway so let's not piss away a trillion dollars in weapons and take all the risks I mentioned along the way.

[Roofdog]

We are currently being invaded by undocumented peoples from all over the earth under biden, he should concentrate on the United States border and less about Ukraine

It's a bad situation what's going on between Russia and Ukraine but quite frankly it's not our job to worry about them

The intelligence of common folk as either took a deep dive, or people are more easily fooled with social media these days. No other country should matter more than America for Americans. Look at North Korea they run it like hitler did Germany with labor camps with kids in them. The Ukraine is not near as bad off compared to them but you don’t see none trying to even help them. I’m not saying we shouldn’t care but we should worry about what going on in our own country first. Make a thread about the downfall of America. Look around you; when trump was president other countries respected us instead of laughing at us. The economy was the best it’s been under trump now it’s the worst it’s been in 50 years. The dollar store is no longer the dollar store all thanks to Biden but yeah keep thinking he’s the better option. I just stating facts not opinions the economy was better under trump now the world is falling apart thanks to a evil cabal that stole an election to put a man who can barley remember his name up there as a figure head as they hasten the destruction of America, and by default the world as it was because without America the world cannot run as it is now. Do you know how rare it is to have someone’s actually devoted to American interest instead of internal benefits. It’s incredibly rare but trump was devoted to making America great again, and so many people hated him even as he showed results.

Another thing to consider is under Obama the Ukrainian coup happened which started the conflict. Then under Trump, everything was relatively peaceful. Immediately after Biden gets in, things start heating up again leading to the the war today. Makes you go hmmm

This situation is a smoke screen for the trillions they have stolen from the American people. First they say the Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in the world and then they funnel trillions of dollars into the country. I believe that a lot of money is laundered through that country to a lot of corrupt politicians. Its always about money. The people that are affected are collateral damage, and the world leaders dont care about them. This is the worst part. The people.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Not much positive to report, military escalation, more lives lost, including civilians.