Fresh Green Vein Leaves

[Silphium22]

I have the scale. What is the very best tea making recipe?


Add: Never mind. It's useless. Not even a hint of it helping.

[brave777]

I dont understand exactly what you are worried about? Do you have bad liver or kidney? some cant feel 3 as well, it just makes you feel ok from crap. If you do have something wrong health wise, tea would be best bet. Look up "how to make tea" search section here on top right corner. switch up words if cant find what your looking, there is some good info here. If you do make tea, you can have a pot fill with water and not 3 grams or 6, its best to always add more when making tea or boiling, i think Ballz had some very good info somewhere here on red bubble thing. see if you can find it. Any way if it was me i would add 10-15 grams and boil that sucker, many say it kills alcoloids but in my experience i had some potent experience by boiling, you could simmer it for long but boiling is faster. Use some mesh to get clean juice, it might be bitter so add you favorite sweetner and sip it up. Stop if you think you had enough, if still nothing just finish the cup after a hour not feeling much. Or just jug the whole thing and see if you feel anything. If nothing wrong with health wise, go for 7 grams, i its because of tramadol you dont feel much, you need like one week util you feel something thats why its best to start higher in my opinion. See how you feel at 5 grams, before going to 6. Let us know your results... hopefully it will finely work. Kratom is one of those things where you have to adjust to it, less is more is not true, its only true if you never used anything before except maybe some coffee. But even body weight and other factors like chemistry comes into play, so keep playing until you find your sweet spot, it might even be at 8 grams per dose not 2 or 3. The reason it says 2-4 grams in 24 hours is to be extra safe which is right amount but most are around 5-10 grams maybe even more. You the boss so best option is use your own judgment, if not feeling it, keep raising.

Any other questions much willing to share my personal experience what i think of, if your worried about health maybe check with a doc and get a refill of more tramadol until you figure this kratom thing. Like i have batches where i only feel it at 8 grams an i have batches where i feel it 2-3 grams. There is no exact amount, we all here learn trough trail and error. Finding sweet spot of each batch is the secret. Not one batch is same.

[brave777]

Oh what i mean by fast batch? You could call it strong batch as well but i dont think its strong its just probably how leaf been dried that bring out nausea if its over 2-3 grams but if you have tolerance you can tolerate and not have nausea by going up to 6 grams. You have a very low tolerance for kratom but using tramadol could of affected similar opioid receptors, you might even be at 5-8 grams that evens out the tramadol for you to feel it. Fast could also mean it hits faster with unwanted effects if over taken. This the reason i say take red but double your regular dose, like if you tried 3 grams red, try 6. 6 grams of red i guarantee you will feel pain relief. And mid spec greens/whites you have less chance of experiencing nausea so by taking extra the kratom feels more cleaner and stronger then the fast strong batch. Best blends i done is 1-2 grams of very fast with some slow or mid spec mix. Just make sure you got more of a mid or slow. Slow usually are Reds but not always.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I have the scale. What is the very best tea making recipe?


Add: Never mind. It's useless. Not even a hint of it helping.

First determine your dose using the scale. Are you a low-doser, 1-2.5g, or a higher doser, 2.5-4g. Get a consistent amount. The amount you will use in tea will be more, 1.5-2x more. Then determine the ratio of 1g powder to 1g wet.

There are a few methods posted, most particularly Ace's single serving aeropress.

Brave777 has been actively answering your questions in this post... you seem upset. Look at Ace's post, post back here if you have any trouble.

Another post or series of posts are about the red bubble frozen tea method; give that a go.

[Silphium22]

More later - but i took two doses of 2.5 gms each yesterday and it did nothing 4 the pain - i have nerve damage - neuropathy - unknown cause - likely back injury - i was an athlete - many injuries esp lower back. Neither helped the pain which was very bad yesterday, and the second dose started making me a bit nauseous - that's why i am afraid to take more plus the powder tends to stop up my insides if u know what i mean - but i ate a ginger candy and took an anti-nausea pill i have (ondansetron) and was ok.

Now today so far i feel quite good - but the pain usually progresses as the day goes along, worst in evening. Question: Can there be a time delay? How long until the anti-pain effect of kratom manifests itself? Could feeling good so far today be a result of the kratom yesterday? Also, i had been taking tramadol as an anti-pain medication but i became habituated to that and it lost 99% of its effect. I stopped it so that i could give kratom a try. I have read that they are antagonistic to each other or hit the same pain receptors in the brain, or whatever it is. So far i've taken nothing today. Sorry for blabbling on...

[IndelibleDotInk]

search erowid.org for more specific info of the type you're looking for. Many people use kratom for pain, I hope you find it manageable!

[brave777]

Ah if same receptors, i think tramadol is a lot stronger, give it some time and you will start feeling kratom. Once you start feeling it, you will know it. yes, i had bad delays before, sometimes 4 hours . i dont understand what causes it. I feel not much and then boom, making me wonder why it affected me later. I think mine is just i often mix herbs and could be one of the herbs. Hey more power to you if its working next day. It could be also that kratom balanced you out instead of feeling crazy tramadol zaps and wd's. Thats why you did not feel it. And today where tramadol wd's are less severe but kratom lingers for 2 days if stopped. I would say more like 30 hours. Called after glow effects. Glowing effect do diminish. Usually it happens for high doser's but you been under 4 grams per day? I suppose it still works.

[Silphium22]

Thanks, guys. This will be the 6th day i'm off tramadol and before that i titrated down to a very small dose. I skipped kratom yesterday but i will try it again later today, maybe 2.5 grams again or 3, tho some are saying that's too little. I have been messing with kratom occasionally for a few years and i do remember at least one time a few years ago when it got me nice and high so that i forgot the nerve pain. tho highness isn't my objective, pain relief is. But tramadol did that same thing to me at first until i became accustomed to it and it started doing pretty much nothing.

I don't know how i got on this thread which is supposed to be a very valid subject, "fresh green leaves". If i could move my irrelevant posts off it i would.

[Loveandpeace]

Thanks, guys. This will be the 6th day i'm off tramadol and before that i titrated down to a very small dose. I skipped kratom yesterday but i will try it again later today, maybe 2.5 grams again or 3, tho some are saying that's too little. I have been messing with kratom occasionally for a few years and i do remember at least one time a few years ago when it got me nice and high so that i forgot the nerve pain. tho highness isn't my objective, pain relief is. But tramadol did that same thing to me at first until i became accustomed to it and it started doing pretty much nothing.

I don't know how i got on this thread which is supposed to be a very valid subject, "fresh green leaves". If i could move my irrelevant posts off it i would.

My thread is your thread friend. No worries.

[Silphium22]

Thank u, L and P, but i think your thread is an important subject - fresh leaves the way the real guys do it 4 centuries in Asia - and it's a shame to mess it up. Should i start a new thread instead? I don't want to act like i'm so important that i need a whole thread. I'm just a novice at this. I'll c if i can find a pre-existing thread re tramadol or nerve pain (neuropathy). And thank u everyone, esp. Mr Brave 4 yr long and informative (tho sometimes slightly cryptic to my novice eyes!) posts.

I skipped yesterday, and today i increased the dose to 3 grams, same TFH deep jungle red. But i think it may be as was said, tramadol is much stronger and i have become so habituated and virtually immune to tramadol that kratom now isn't doing much so far. I'm still using the rice paper oblate method which sure beats toss and wash! Woops i just noticed the "rice paper" is actually made of potato starch!

[KratomBurner]

Beware, people selling "domestic" kratom / leaves from kratom trees grown in USA.

We realize that kratom is often compared to cannabis.... they are TOTALLY different. People grow weed in USA. Nobody's growing good kratom in USA - all good kratom is imported from SE Asia, Indonesia, and around 90% is from Borneo with maybe 10% from Sumatra. And 90% of real Kratom leaves when harvested are "red vein" or the main stem, bone, is a reddish color. The leaf itself is green.

YES, there are people trying to grow kratom in USA... YES they have invested their Time and Money. . So of course, they are desperate to SELL this kratom, which is not known to be.... any good!! It's a Novelty... Don't be fooled into buying "USA grown kratom", at least until it's a proven thing. JMHO!

Completely agree. Even Florida or Texas. It's not the same climate as south east Asia which has two seasons, the wet and dry season. The humility and ground warmth needs to stay consistent. Remember it can get cold in those states.

[Fhietra899]

Beware, people selling "domestic" kratom / leaves from kratom trees grown in USA.

We realize that kratom is often compared to cannabis.... they are TOTALLY different. People grow weed in USA. Nobody's growing good kratom in USA - all good kratom is imported from SE Asia, Indonesia, and around 90% is from Borneo with maybe 10% from Sumatra. And 90% of real Kratom leaves when harvested are "red vein" or the main stem, bone, is a reddish color. The leaf itself is green.

YES, there are people trying to grow kratom in USA... YES they have invested their Time and Money. . So of course, they are desperate to SELL this kratom, which is not known to be.... any good!! It's a Novelty... Don't be fooled into buying "USA grown kratom", at least until it's a proven thing. JMHO!

I'm agree with you Balz.

Regarding of Mississippi University journal in 2009 " Phytochemical characterization of the leaves Mitragyna speciosa grown in USA". Leaves that grown in the states has different compound percentage than leaves that grown in South east Asia.
Yes,, Mit and 7ohm present in the leaves but its has little compotitions of its in the leaves, and have another type of alkaloid in there.

[Trippyhippydippy]

As with any kratom leaf "strain" id be very hesitant to blacklist a strain called bumblebee for the simple fact that strain names mean almost nothing. Im sure the majority of us know that by now.

One of my suppliers provides a bumblebee strain which is incredibly potent. His mitra levels come in around 2% and 7hydrox 0.004/0.003.

Just do your homework.

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I need this bumblebee!