The Ukraine Situation

[StringThing]

I felt like this deserved a separate thread, even though it's technically a political discussion. If you haven't heard about this situation in Ukraine, you need to check the news like, ASAP.

I have been keeping up to date on recent developments. I read TASS to see what state owned Russian propaganda is saying. I read China Daily to see what state owned Chinese propaganda is saying. I read FOX and CNN and BUSINESS INSIDER to see what the corporations that own America/Europe are pushing as propaganda.

China Daily has been very quiet. There is almost no news on Ukraine other than the UK pulling out some embassy staff, which was published in China Daily two days in a row. Nothing else about the Ukraine situation being talked about in major Chinese media. Xi very recently called for 'world solidarity' in fighting COVID-19 so I suspect they are wanting to keep out of this whole mess. That is generally China's policy when it comes to war. They play for economic victory.

TASS propaganda is pushing the idea that this is a western over-reaction, and are playing with the idea of 'defending Ukraine'. It appears they are trying to push to their populace that the Ukrainian government is illegitimate or corrupt, and is attacking Ukrainian civilians. They are also playing with the idea that the west is going to launch a 'false flag attack', which comes a few days after the western leaders accused Putin of doing exactly that in Ukraine. There are actually several statements made in western news that have lately been reflected or turned around to be used against the west. Basically, "NO U!!!".

Don't think I need to explain what American propaganda is saying but basically: Russia is amassing large amounts of troops at the border of Ukraine and they're intending to invade. At the very least, they want to invade the Donbass region in eastern Ukraine.

Here's my propaganda; my opinion:

NATO has no reason to attack Ukraine. Zero. It gives the UN nothing and makes no sense. Putin has LOTS of reason to attack Ukraine and has already invaded part of Ukraine before (Crimea) which the world did nothing about, so he think he may be able to get away with it. He's a former KGB agent who did really well within the agency, so he likely believes in the nationalistic belief of preserving a Slavic state, as this is taught in Foundations of Geopolitics which is essentially the official Soviet Union handbook of philosophy and geopolitical tactics. Putin is 69 years old and may be trying to accomplish something 'for his country' before he becomes weak or dies. Russia probably stopped with Crimea in 2014 because they wanted to wait for a more advantageous position for further advance. Brexit, Trump, and this pandemic gave it to them.

The parallels to WWII are numerous. It's like Hitler invading the Sudetenland all over again. Will he, won't he? So many troops at the border! Should we use force, or sanctions? Is he going to break a peace treaty and invade Poland? Will the world survive the mass destruction of another world war? What kind of a man is he, besides a nationalist?

War may not break out tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or even next year. But who knows about the future? Nobody in 1936 thought there would be another 'Great War'. It wasn't until a crazy nationalist started making land grabs that people realized it might actually happen. Putin is using very similar language to the language Hitler used to justify his to-be invasion to the German people. At this point some kind of invasion is imminent... whether it breaks into world war is the question. Are sanctions going to be enough to stop Putin from extending his reign all the way back to east-Germany?

Interesting times for sure. Biden was very right when he said this all depends on what side of the bed Putin wakes up on. I think everyone should keep an eye on this situation, even if Putin signs a peace treaty. Read what they are saying on TASS if you want to get a sense for what your average Russian nationalist is reading as fact.

[herbalhippie]

It does deserve it's own thread, thanks StringThing.

Very, very worrisome.

[herbalhippie]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ssias-hand

[e_poison]

The politics of the ex-soviet union is a very complex and interesting topic. I've been learning a lot about the current events and history of that region from a podcast I listen to called Bro History. They've done some really in-depth research and episodes on that region, and don't report with any bias. Just the historical facts and any news type information is quoted from multiple sources. They do sometimes theorize or do thinking exercise about what-ifs, but they make it clear it's just for fun and not to be taken at face value. Definitely worth a listen if this interests you, plus the hosts are entertaining.

Also in somewhat related news, Russia and China have been conducting joint military exercises. With the whole Taiwan-China thing and the Ukraine-Russia thing... it makes one think.

[brave777]

I use to follow what is going on, Russians have no interest taking over Ukraine, When they took over the island Russian green man, they could easily spread up to kiev and the whole Ukraine. Their objective was the ships and port, the rest was not interest to them. This time if they under pressure, they will take the whole Ukraine and nothing will stop that. I talked from one ukranian fro ukrain, he thinks ukranians are being wiped, they are on all front lines, old tech, this makes sense why he thinks that. Same thing as bringing mass Chinese or Russians to mexican border, of course USA would react and protect, nato surrounded Russian 2 hours away from Moscow? I dont think Russians will have a choice, and will act this time around. Will have to wait and see what happens thought, i do think this could be very serous war... I already seen videos people predicting how long the war will last, some say 2 weeks others say months.

I got my fingers crossed nothing will happen... its sad if people start die on both sides.

[StringThing]

The politics of the ex-soviet union is a very complex and interesting topic. I've been learning a lot about the current events and history of that region from a podcast I listen to called Bro History. They've done some really in-depth research and episodes on that region, and don't report with any bias. Just the historical facts and any news type information is quoted from multiple sources. They do sometimes theorize or do thinking exercise about what-ifs, but they make it clear it's just for fun and not to be taken at face value. Definitely worth a listen if this interests you, plus the hosts are entertaining.

Also in somewhat related news, Russia and China have been conducting joint military exercises. With the whole Taiwan-China thing and the Ukraine-Russia thing... it makes one think.

I don't know that China actually wants to take Taiwan. It would go against their propaganda-message of Taiwan already being part of China. Also China and Russia are not exactly allies. They have been doing the kind of 'anti-Athleticism' thing that Russia is doing. Going after celebrities, businessmen, anything 'anti-Chinese'.

Who really knows what they're planning though

[StringThing]

I use to follow what is going on, Russians have no interest taking over Ukraine, When they took over the island Russian green man, they could easily spread up to kiev and the whole Ukraine. Their objective was the ships and port, the rest was not interest to them. This time if they under pressure, they will take the whole Ukraine and nothing will stop that. I talked from one ukranian fro ukrain, he thinks ukranians are being wiped, they are on all front lines, old tech, this makes sense why he thinks that. Same thing as bringing mass Chinese or Russians to mexican border, of course USA would react and protect, nato surrounded Russian 2 hours away from Moscow? I dont think Russians will have a choice, and will act this time around. Will have to wait and see what happens thought, i do think this could be very serous war... I already seen videos people predicting how long the war will last, some say 2 weeks others say months.

I got my fingers crossed nothing will happen... its sad if people start die on both sides.

Lol what do you mean Russians don't want Ukraine?

Have you read 'The Foundation of Geopolitics'? Or heard of it? There is a centuries old belief in Russia that it is supposed to be 'the third Rome'. The unification of Eurasia.

If you read the book, it is pretty much an outline of everything Russians have done over the last 20yrs. Published after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1996 or something like that. The theory the book was written with is the idea that 'geopolitics' is a science and that nations have historically clouded that science with their own political ideologies for various means. It's supposed to be 'the superior strategy' that will usher in this new Roman Empire.

Ukraine is described as a 'useless nation' that needs to be annexed.

Caucus states are at risk too (Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia) as well as some central Asian countries (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan) also Mongolia and Finland. Possibly more, but this is the immediate risk.

I read this book when Brexit was first being toyed with and I'm reading it again for a second time now. I don't know if this is Putin's plan, but I know the KGB likes this plan and worked with the author. He is renowned in Russia among nationalist circles. Not just some random Russian author, but someone with connections in the Russian government. Very much worth knowing about.

[StringThing]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dhs-war ... d=82441727

I thought this was interesting to ponder. We live in different times than the last big war. Everyone is assuming the first strike is going to be with bombs and bullets. Now, war could start, and we might not even know its happening because the internet is down.

[brave777]

String you do not understand something. Its like a mama bear has her little once in a cave and a bunch wolfs surround the cave and want to eat the little bears, mama bear trapped and cant get out. Wolfs go into a cave and mama bear has no choice but to attack and defend. I dont think Russia has any options left but to take over Ukraine and remove the threat. If they wanted they would of taken Ukraine long time ago. Any idiot can see Russia has tons of natural resources. Russia will defend what is theirs. Just put your self in their shoes, what would you do? We all seen anything electronic will be disabled, its like that one story where a Russian plane flys over and USA Ships no power. I dont think this is looking good for anyone from both sides... The war will happen i think i just don't know when. If war starts, I am convinced Chinese wont be sitting around. And if internet black out, we wont even know the war started.

[StringThing]

String you do not understand something. Its like a mama bear has her little once in a cave and a bunch wolfs surround the cave and want to eat the little bears, mama bear trapped and cant get out. Wolfs go into a cave and mama bear has no choice but to attack and defend. I dont think Russia has any options left but to take over Ukraine and remove the threat. If they wanted they would of taken Ukraine long time ago. Any idiot can see Russia has tons of natural resources. Russia will defend what is theirs. Just put your self in their shoes, what would you do? We all seen anything electronic will be disabled, its like that one story where a Russian plane flys over and USA Ships no power. I dont think this is looking good for anyone from both sides... The war will happen i think i just don't know when. If war starts, I am convinced Chinese wont be sitting around. And if internet black out, we wont even know the war started.

You are talking about mamma bear/little bear and using allegories and intuition to postulate on what you think will or won't happen.

I am reading The Foundations of Geopolitics and TASS to better understand the mindset of the Russian nationalist.

Your opinion is in line with Russian propaganda. "The West is forcing Russia to attack." Literally, go on Russian news sites. Putin would agree with you. He wants his populace to think he has no other choice to attack.

It's no secret that Russians have been polluting right wing/Republican/"Independent-thinker" ideology for years. The NRA was funneling donation money to Russia. Manafort worked on the campaign of a Russian puppet. It's so blatantly obvious and here you are, repeating their propaganda. "Mama bear has no choice."

Putin has a choice. He could have just NOT gathered 100k troops at the Ukranian border to begin with. Nobody invaded or threatened Russia. Putin started all of this. Ukraine should be left alone, just like every other sovereign nation.

[brave777]

Its very hard to talk to you, seems you coming only one sided. Most people that remote view say, Russia will take Ukraine back and Ukraine is where once was the capital where Russia started.

[StringThing]

Its very hard to talk to you, seems you coming only one sided. Most people that remote view say, Russia will take Ukraine back and Ukraine is where once was the capital where Russia started.

If by 'one sided' you mean 'the side of the world that isn't controlled by Russian oligarchs and Rupert Murdoch', then yeah, what I'm saying is pretty one-sided.

[StringThing]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ex ... 022-01-28/

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/ru ... arus-27503



Ukraine banned Dugin for a reason lol

[Xiaobao]

hi guys,

it's been a while since my last post.

What do you guys think of the war will affected kratom demand in the region? is it going to increase in demand or vice versa due to more ban?

i hope peace for mankind.

[brave777]

Its very hard to talk to you, seems you coming only one sided. Most people that remote view say, Russia will take Ukraine back and Ukraine is where once was the capital where Russia started.

If by 'one sided' you mean 'the side of the world that isn't controlled by Russian oligarchs and Rupert Murdoch', then yeah, what I'm saying is pretty one-sided.

This issue is way to crazy, weird and hard to know what true or not.... Some say Russia will invade other say they wont. Other say biden wants war and zilensky says he doesnt want war. Then i saw video of American dancing with Russian ladys on Russian/Ukranian border. And yet we hear Russia will attack, but i dont see that. Biden really want that war.... I have lost myself whats true and not anymore on this subject. What ever happens will happen i dont think its in our power.

[brave777]

hi guys,

it's been a while since my last post.

What do you guys think of the war will affected kratom demand in the region? is it going to increase in demand or vice versa due to more ban?

i hope peace for mankind.

I dont think it will. Indonesia usually ship to USA alot but i dont even know if kratom can be shipped to Ukraine. They bady's always did something every year to attack kratom, seems every year, i dont think it will stop but i dont think Nato/Ukraine issue will affect it.

[StringThing]

Just googled it

Kratom is legal in Ukraine and illegal in Russia

[brave777]

Just googled it

Kratom is legal in Ukraine and illegal in Russia

Ukrainians and Russians and Nato need a Dennets green fire 6 grams each. we don't need another war. Most people already in a shit hole, its already hard as it is. Wow so Russians never got a chance to try Kratom, if they only knew, most are hooked on pharma pain pills. I wrote on google "when did russia ban kratom" and nothing came up. Google is getting worse by the day. wow even duckduckgo is trash at least the word russia came up in search engine. https://yandex.com/ is the only one that has info on it. www.yandex.com is a Russian search engine and wonder why i never used it, seems like nothing banned on it if ya'll want to do your research on stuff. From yandex it lead me to reddit and i found this comment "No. They quietly rescinded the ban a few years ago. I live in Kazakhstan, which shares a customs ring with Russia. It is quite legal. I get kilos of it direct for source." So Kazakhstan is legal, Kazakhstan is like a hub to Russia for drugs but i do not know if any Russian even tried it or know about it since its been sweeped under the rug before even Russian people had a chance to try it like we did in USA. But trough Kazakhstan address i am sure any Russian can get it if they have someone live there. Ukrainians are more lucky.

[StringThing]

Its very hard to talk to you, seems you coming only one sided. Most people that remote view say, Russia will take Ukraine back and Ukraine is where once was the capital where Russia started.

If by 'one sided' you mean 'the side of the world that isn't controlled by Russian oligarchs and Rupert Murdoch', then yeah, what I'm saying is pretty one-sided.

This issue is way to crazy, weird and hard to know what true or not.... Some say Russia will invade other say they wont. Other say biden wants war and zilensky says he doesnt want war. Then i saw video of American dancing with Russian ladys on Russian/Ukranian border. And yet we hear Russia will attack, but i dont see that. Biden really want that war.... I have lost myself whats true and not anymore on this subject. What ever happens will happen i dont think its in our power.

Its the entire world vs Russian media. You will note now, that a majority of the world has evacuated Ukrainian embassies for the attack which was discovered this Wednesday. You can google the list but it is global, not just western countries or western allied countries. Why would the whole world pull their representatives and ambassadors? Why are troops being pulled from Belarus? There is no plan discovered showing any other country is going to attack. They're doing it because of the Russian plan to attack.

The Ukrainian president is even saying there will be an attack. He's been on 'keep the people calm' mode ever since this started, denying anything would happen, saying the west was making this whole thing bigger than it was. Very careful with his words. He changed his tune yesterday. Total 180, I had to read it twice.

This attack could be Russian misinfo. Putin could have no intent to attack. But he's prepared, able, and this plan is widely recognized as real. Putin has not denied these plans as of yet, but if you ask me, he'll deny them on Wednesday and not launch the attack. It would be a stupid move for him at this point and wouldn't be in the 'master plan.' Wouldn't be beneficial to anyone and he's still building up his justification in Russian media.

Russia is running 'drills' along the border which is a HISTORICALLY CLICHE method used in war to launch a surprise attack. Get everyone used to troops at the border, then launch out of nowhere, when everyone is in the right spot. When the threat is a looming threat, not an immediate threat that's taking up the news. You will wake up one morning, and war will have started.

Russian media is talking about eastern Ukraine MAYBE holding an election for independence, which is not a real thing that is happening. This is a clear move towards annexation. They are going to place peacekeeper once 'they vote for independence' and move in to 'stop the terrorists' so they can restore order to what will either expand into part of the Russian empire or become a puppet state like Belarus or Kazakhstan... or East Germany.

Which is exactly what the US has done numerous times to benefit its corporations/oligarchs. Putin is doing this to benefit Russian corporations/oligarchs. History rhymes and all that. But usually, there is not a threat of world war. Nations usually do this in a much smarter and less obvious, violent way than Putin is threatening. That is modern Imperialism. China is really good at it. Putin is using outdated, Hitler/Napoleon level tactics. His plan from the start was to install a puppet leader in Ukraine (Yanukovych) but that didn't work. Ukrainians ousted him twice lol. This is about influence and greed, not land ownership.

This is how big wars look when they start. Remember, there were Nazi supporters in America during WWII, and they were the far-right conservatives (Democrats at the time) who thought that European countries + FDR were making too big of a deal about Hitler. We know how that turned out. At the time, nobody knew of Hitler's plans except for people who were paying attention and had read Mein Kampf and other nationalist books. English intelligence ignored the discovery of these plans in the hopes that Hitler would adhere to his (non-legally binding) peace deal he made with Chamberlain/England. We KNOW how that turned out.

Even if you want to blame this on someone other than Putin, the parallels are WAY too similar. It may take a few years for us to even realize what this may become. I hope it's nothing. I really do. I hope you're right, and that the world is making this a bigger deal than it is. I hope that Putin truly has no plans to invade.

[brave777]

After world war 2, America brought 30,000 thousands German scientists and continued study. Many think German never lost, they just took another form. Real Hitler maybe eating barbecue in Austria in his own back yard, maybe he is very old now or perhaps dead. Some say hitler went to Antarctica underground abandoned alien bases. Other's say hitler when came to power went against globalist so they removed him from Germany by allowing Russia to win but there is so many mixed stories its hard to tell whats true. There are mixed messages on everything, that why you see videos here and there that hitler was a good guy but thats debatable. At this point i really hop there wont be war, its not going to be good for any of us and will affect everyone in some way. From what i understand Putin went to clous swabs school, he is a puppet. I am just wondering what the heck are globalist doing with Putin?? If they control Zelensky and putin since they both puppets, seems they just want war in general, the whole thing is very confusing. maybe just over thinking. It could be another form of population reduction for Ukranian/Nato/Russia wars always reduced populations, problem is to start it. With so much info online and people sharing it will be hard to start a war. Back in the day you print one sided prapaganda in newspaper and people's blood boiling to start war, this time its harder to hide truth since information fly's in seconds around the net, only way to do it if internet black out, keep people in the dark.

[StringThing]

Just googled it

Kratom is legal in Ukraine and illegal in Russia

Ukrainians and Russians and Nato need a Dennets green fire 6 grams each. we don't need another war. Most people already in a shit hole, its already hard as it is. Wow so Russians never got a chance to try Kratom, if they only knew, most are hooked on pharma pain pills. I wrote on google "when did russia ban kratom" and nothing came up. Google is getting worse by the day. wow even duckduckgo is trash at least the word russia came up in search engine. https://yandex.com/ is the only one that has info on it. www.yandex.com is a Russian search engine and wonder why i never used it, seems like nothing banned on it if ya'll want to do your research on stuff. From yandex it lead me to reddit and i found this comment "No. They quietly rescinded the ban a few years ago. I live in Kazakhstan, which shares a customs ring with Russia. It is quite legal. I get kilos of it direct for source." So Kazakhstan is legal, Kazakhstan is like a hub to Russia for drugs but i do not know if any Russian even tried it or know about it since its been sweeped under the rug before even Russian people had a chance to try it like we did in USA. But trough Kazakhstan address i am sure any Russian can get it if they have someone live there. Ukrainians are more lucky.

I found that same thread. It came up for me as the 2nd result on Google. It came up 2nd on duckduckgo too. Not trying a Russian search engine lol.

Also found on google: Article 228 Ch. 5. Translated criminal law from Russia.

https://www.imolin.org/doc/amlid/Russia ... l_Code.pdf

They have a blanket ban on psychoactive drugs similar to what the UK has. It's not listed explicitly listed, but as a psychoactive opioid, it would probably be deemed illegal.

Ukranian drug law has an analogue act like many other European countries, or the US. You can sell it without fear of police apparently. Here's a website that supplies Ukraine based kratom stores (Ukraine sales only). They say its gray area there and they want to move to a country where it is more legal.

https://www.kratomind.com/product/krato ... r-ukraine/

I looked for a Russian kratom vendors and didn't find any.

[StringThing]

After world war 2, America brought 30,000 thousands German scientists and continued study. Many think German never lost, they just took another form. Real Hitler maybe eating barbecue in Austria in his own back yard, maybe he is very old now or perhaps dead. Some say hitler went to Antarctica underground abandoned alien bases. Other's say hitler when came to power went against globalist so they removed him from Germany by allowing Russia to win but there is so many mixed stories its hard to tell whats true. There are mixed messages on everything, that why you see videos here and there that hitler was a good guy but thats debatable. At this point i really hop there wont be war, its not going to be good for any of us and will affect everyone in some way. From what i understand Putin went to clous swabs school, he is a puppet. I am just wondering what the heck are globalist doing with Putin?? If they control Zelensky and putin since they both puppets, seems they just want war in general, the whole thing is very confusing. maybe just over thinking.

Who cares about 30,000 scientists? 70,000,000-85,000,000 people died because of WWII. It was not a 'net good' so I hope you aren't implying it was.

Lots of people say lots of things about Hitler. You clearly believe those types of conspiracy theories might be real, but the world agreed he died back in 1945 and there has been no evidence to suggest otherwise. The CIA investigated this and decided, in the height of the cold war, that the Soviets weren't lying. It's not really an 'open question' to anyone but minority fringe groups.

Now here you are saying 'there are videos that say Hitler is a good guy, but that's debatable'.

This is where I draw the line.

No, it's not debatable. If you disagree, you can go fuck yourself. Big time.

If you don't believe that, and you aren't racist, we're cool. But many people use language like you just used to hint at what they are thinking on the inside. SO please, tell us why you think Hitler being a 'good guy' is at all debatable? Did history get Hitler wrong? What do you think of Jews? Are they the 'globalists' you're talking about? If not, who are the globalists?

Would love for you to clear this up so I know if you're a racist piece of shit or not. If you avoid any of these questions, I'm going to assume the worst.

[herbalhippie]

A reminder for everyone to please keep it civil, thanks!

[StringThing]

A reminder for everyone to please keep it civil, thanks!

Racism and civility cannot co-exist.

What Brave just said is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be recognized with an equally powerful response to clarify that everyone, including Brave, will not accept racism. It needs to be recognized that the ideas he speculates might be true, are ideas most often spread by racists. The terms he used are dog whistles for racists, despite not being exclusively used by them. There is power in the phrasing he used to convey those ideas.

People are starting to show up at protests with Nazi symbols in America for the first time since the 1930's. A bunch of Synagogues just got attacked here in Chicago. In FL (I think Orlando) there was a protest a week or two ago where they were stomping on a Jewish flag, yelling "Jews are the Devil" and telling people driving by that they looked like Jews. We are even burning books again...

Most of us have lived the majority of our lives in different times than these, and a lot of people are not familiar with encountering racists. But they are out there and they are saying the same things as Brave just did. I have experienced it first hand in this country.

[StringThing]

Russia is in the legal process of recognizing these breakaway regions so they can come in and liberate. He just said there is genocide against Russians going on (again).

Same lie since 2014 that has never been corroborated by any other nation. Same lie used when he invaded Crimea.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/ ... ons-a76381

This is happening. I hope it doesn't get out of hand. Lets see what happens tomorrow.

[brave777]

A reminder for everyone to please keep it civil, thanks!

Racism and civility cannot co-exist.

What Brave just said is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be recognized with an equally powerful response to clarify that everyone, including Brave, will not accept racism. It needs to be recognized that the ideas he speculates might be true, are ideas most often spread by racists. The terms he used are dog whistles for racists, despite not being exclusively used by them. There is power in the phrasing he used to convey those ideas.

People are starting to show up at protests with Nazi symbols in America for the first time since the 1930's. A bunch of Synagogues just got attacked here in Chicago. In FL (I think Orlando) there was a protest a week or two ago where they were stomping on a Jewish flag, yelling "Jews are the Devil" and telling people driving by that they looked like Jews. We are even burning books again...

Most of us have lived the majority of our lives in different times than these, and a lot of people are not familiar with encountering racists. But they are out there and they are saying the same things as Brave just did. I have experienced it first hand in this country.

String you got serious issues, I did not say its truth, i just pointed out whats all over internet. Nothing new. you will see similar thoughts everywhere. Is it real? No, just what people talking about. What real to you for many is fake news as well. I honestly think herbal hippie should lock this topic for good, and if its another view, its auto go f**k yourself. No thank you. I did nothing to you bad and yet your attitude is ridiculous.

Herbal, any way you can lock this subject. it got out of hand too messy here. String could of just asked my opinion on Hitler but using cause words is a big no no, i refuse to answer you string, if you apologize i will reconsider answering you My personal thought what i think and not theory's on internet. you dont even know my opinion and calling me racist is a lil far fetched.

[herbalhippie]

Herbal, any way you can lock this subject. it got out of hand too messy here. String could of just asked my opinion on Hitler but using cause words is a big no no, i refuse to answer you string, if you apologize i will reconsider answering you My personal thought what i think and not theory's on internet. you dont even know my opinion and calling me racist is a lil far fetched.

I'm not going to lock this thread, it's an ongoing issue and important. Let's move past this so we can stay on topic. Thanks.

[brave777]

Herbal, any way you can lock this subject. it got out of hand too messy here. String could of just asked my opinion on Hitler but using cause words is a big no no, i refuse to answer you string, if you apologize i will reconsider answering you My personal thought what i think and not theory's on internet. you dont even know my opinion and calling me racist is a lil far fetched.

I'm not going to lock this thread, it's an ongoing issue and important. Let's move past this so we can stay on topic. Thanks.

Ok i will ignore everything from string then. . I will let him know thought, i dont like Hitler what he did affected not only innocent jews but my family tree as well, my Grampa even wrote a book, escaped German jail twice. He still alive and just had a B day not long ago. He still talks about it when some one visits him. I would like to advice you to ask questions instead of name calling, anyone can be a keyboard warrior but it wont be constructive. Just consider it.

Fun fact: He said he saw alians flying saucer but something was spinning below in a middle circle. I remember watching a video when someone was talking about how back then Hitler was trying to install a weapon system but it always failed. I still dont know if they managed to attach it to the saucer.

[herbalhippie]

Ok i will ignore everything from string then. . I will let him know thought, i dont like Hitler what he did affected not only innocent jews but my family tree as well, my Grampa even wrote a book, escaped German jail twice. He still alive and just had a B day not long ago. He still talks about it when some one visits him. I would like to advice you to ask questions instead of name calling, anyone can be a keyboard warrior but it wont be constructive. Just consider it.

Fun fact: He said he saw alians flying saucer but something was spinning below in a middle circle. I remember watching a video when someone was talking about how back then Hitler was trying to install a weapon system but it always failed. I still dont know if they managed to attach it to the saucer.

May I suggest you go to your User Control Panel, click on Friends and Foes, then Manage Foes and add him. I believe that will block his posts from your sight.

[IndelibleDotInk]

May I suggest you to to your User Control Panel, click on Friends and Foes, then Manage Foes and add him. I believe that will block his posts from your sight.

Once someone took offence at something one of our regulars said, I could just see the guy having an aneurism with a big old vein pulsing in his forehead.. I was like... you don't have to be offended, just click and you will have less stress in your life for sure. I dun even know why he was mad, lol.

[herbalhippie]

May I suggest you to to your User Control Panel, click on Friends and Foes, then Manage Foes and add him. I believe that will block his posts from your sight.

Once someone took offence at something one of our regulars said, I could just see the guy having an aneurism with a big old vein pulsing in his forehead.. I was like... you don't have to be offended, just click and you will have less stress in your life for sure. I dun even know why he was mad, lol.

There's a forum I like to visit once in a while. Much less since there were 2-3 people that were about to drive me into a high blood pressure induced stroke. I blocked them, my life is much more pleasant now.

[Chiqqen]

I was pretty clueless on where to even begin with this subject, but this thread was very helpful with learning about it, although, I'm now paranoid as hell lol. Thank you for posting this

[StringThing]

String you got serious issues, I did not say its truth, i just pointed out whats all over internet. Nothing new. you will see similar thoughts everywhere. Is it real? No, just what people talking about. What real to you for many is fake news as well. I honestly think herbal hippie should lock this topic for good, and if its another view, its auto go f**k yourself. No thank you. I did nothing to you bad and yet your attitude is ridiculous.

You avoided my questions about how you feel about Hitler or the Jews or what you think globalists are. You could not even agree with me, that yes, racists are garbage human beings. You are using deflecting behavior to repeat your stance that 'this is just what people are wondering about.' "Hitler is a good guy' and some people are wondering it? Who is wondering that? Tell us. Who is wondering the things you say you watch videos on, if not racists?

Nah man. Nah. It's not debatable. There are no 'mixed messages'. You are not giving a good faith argument for why you proposed the conspiratorial concepts you did, and now you are running away from answering these questions directly. It's not hard. You just type what you think. Look, I'll answer them:

"Yes, Hitler was an evil man who was responsible for genocide and the deadliest war in history." "No, I'm not a racist." "I think the Jewish government is pretty corrupt and racist as hell, but Jewish people are chill and so is their religion." "The only people who think Hitler is a good guy, are good for nothing, piece of shit racists." "I don't believe there is such a thing as 'globalists' but I do believe there are various independent, identifiable groups all around the world who are manipulating or using others for their benefit." "I'm with you dude, racists an go fuck themselves. They are shit people."

That's all you had to do. Instead you did whatever you did, and talked about blocking me and closing this thread because you don't like being presented with point blank discussion about the validity of your beliefs, which in this case, happen to hint at the idea that you are a racist.

Anyway, I've made my assumptions. Thanks for the clarification.

[StringThing]

I was pretty clueless on where to even begin with this subject, but this thread was very helpful with learning about it, although, I'm now paranoid as hell lol. Thank you for posting this

Glad I could help! I think its important to stay on top of this situation.

This is the most recent development:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-say ... 022-02-16/

It's interesting that China is finally speaking on the situation. It feels like they just want this situation to end. All their major news stories are about the Olympics and economic growth/better conditions in China.

[herbalhippie]

Plane draws 'relax' with its flight path near Ukraine border

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/worl ... h-23134740

[StringThing]

This is interesting:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... d2a6dc1d57

Evidently Russia + Russian backed separatists are helping to evacuate citizens from the region. Putin is giving them $130 to leave and providing transportation. Russian news calling him a hero for saving ethnic Russians from "genocide" and specifically mentioning women and children and using very charged language to describe 'Ukrainian actions'.


https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/964 ... ya-rossiya

DPR leader (who claims independence of the Donetsk region) says full scale offensive from the Ukrainian government might begin soon. There has already been bombing and it's believed to be part of this false flag operation.


https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/963 ... trenie-vsu

Bombing in the Donbass region to begin soon too, apparently.


The propaganda is certainly scaling up and leading towards Putin having 'no choice'. This is just a continuation of soviet era Holodomor type rhetoric/policy that has been around for the past ~100yrs, it is so blatantly obvious. Putin is fighting a completely imaginary ideology and a completely imaginary genocide that no other country is recognizing as real.

By comparison, there is a lot of evidence for the genocide (see: re-education) that the CCP is committing against Muslims. We have satellite data and legal documents and even justification for 're-education' by Chinese politicians and people. We know they see Islam as a source for terrorism, which actually used to happen rather frequently until they began putting people in camps. Not a justification for religious persecution, though.

Where is that stuff in Ukraine? I don't even see it in Russian news. They don't have the evidence. All they have are these conflicts that they can paint with whatever words they like.

Supposedly the next date is the 20th, but we'll see. False plans and false starts are part and parcel of wartime tactics.

I might repeat myself a lot in this thread but I'm going to keep doing it. Feel free to cross-check any information you think is incorrect. I very strongly encourage independent research.

[herbalhippie]

I've been watching this on r/worldnews this morning, in between modding jobs and getting ready for a sale on the TP.

Saw some videos of evacuations going on. Seeing kids is the worst part.

[herbalhippie]

Interesting info about the evacuation coming through. Videos were made TWO days ago.

"https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1 ... 2169433092

Ukraine government just posted this, urging Donetsk residents "not to leave their homes and not to use public transport"

https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1 ... 2169433092

Videos were made TWO days ago.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/14 ... 8040010755

Man this thread is moving fast.

[StringThing]

I've been watching this on r/worldnews this morning, in between modding jobs and getting ready for a sale on the TP.

Saw some videos of evacuations going on. Seeing kids is the worst part.

You see the classroom that got bombed by separatists?



https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/17/ ... ase-study/

Very depressing sight. No child deserves to grow up in a warzone.

I am kind of glad Putin is evacuating people even if its only being done to benefit his media campaign. It gives some people a real chance to GTFO.

[StringThing]

Interesting info about the evacuation coming through. Videos were made TWO days ago.

"https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1 ... 2169433092

Ukraine government just posted this, urging Donetsk residents "not to leave their homes and not to use public transport"

https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1 ... 2169433092

Videos were made TWO days ago.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/14 ... 8040010755

Man this thread is moving fast.

Oh wow that's fucking scary. I hope they aren't 'taking them somewhere'. There's no evidence Putin is planning anything like this, but then again, there wasn't evidence of Nazi concentration camps for a good while either. I hope its nothing. I hope there isn't some intelligence regarding this which we aren't privy to. I hope it isn't that bad.

Did not hear about the metadata thing, that's actually amazing.