Coronavirus discussion

[KalieGirl]

Violation Tracker Parent Company Summary

Parent Company Name: Pfizer
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol PFE)
Headquartered in: New York
Major Industry: pharmaceuticals
Specific Industry: pharmaceuticals
Penalty total since 2000: $10,193,896,333
Number of records: 75

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst. ... ent/pfizer

[herbalhippie]

There probably isn't a pharmaceutical company out there that doesn't have multiple violations for this, that or the other thing.

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst. ... aceuticals

I couldn't believe the stuff I dredged up when I was reading Bottle of Lies about generics coming out of India.

[Lokey]

Here's an interesting research article on kratom to help with covid symptoms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7717955/

[StringThing]

Here's an interesting research article on kratom to help with civid symptoms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7717955/

Case Report
Case Presentation
The subject of this report is a 29 year old male, US citizen of Palestinian descent, who works full-time as a biomedical research technician. His health history is unremarkable, except for the fact that at age 16 he was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis and primary sclerosing cholangitis. Since then, he has been treated successfully with mesalamine (1.2 g, 2 times per day), azathioprine (50 mg, 3 times per day), and ursidiol (300 mg, 2 times per day). The subject has been able to live an active lifestyle and participate in a variety of sports including running, weightlifting, basketball, and baseball. The subject denies any history of smoking or use of alcohol, opioids, or illicit drugs. On April 22, 2020, the subject's father, who lives in the same house as the subject, and works for a major shipping company, was diagnosed with COVID-19. This was about 2 months after the first case of COVID had been confirmed in his state of residence, which was one of the early active zones of COVID-19 transmission in the US. On April 25, the patient began to experience general malaise and fatigue. Over the next 24 h, the symptoms worsened to include severe fatigue and weakness, loss of appetite, tiredness, slight dry cough, body aches, muscle pain, loss of taste and smell, sore throat and fever. The patient was then seen by his general practice physician. Vital signs at the time of examination were BP 110/72, pulse 97 BPM, respiration 14 per minute, oxygen saturation 98%, and body temperature 101.7°F. The patient was given a naso-pharyngeal swab, real-time RT-PCR test [COBAS (R) SARS-COV-@ test, Labcorp Laboratories, South Bend, IN] that confirmed a diagnosis of COVID-19. In compliance with standard medical practice standards, the patient was ordered to self-isolate and to start a 5-day course of azithromycin (250 mg, daily), and to also take 1 g of paracetamol (acetaminophen) every 6 h for treatment of pain and fever. Despite good adherence to the recommended treatment, the symptoms other than fever, did not improve, and he also started to feel depressed, demotivated, and spend long periods in bed. During this period, the patient experienced ongoing generalized myalgia and musculoskeletal pain. He described the pain as persistent and relatively severe (rated 7 on a scale of 1–10). Because of this discomfort, after 4 days the patient decided to consume kratom to relieve his symptoms. According to the patient, he had first used kratom 14 months earlier before his COVID-19 infection. He used kratom sporadically (no more than 4–5 times in total) as a cognitive enhancer and not to self-treat pain.

Treatment
The patient decided to take 2.5 gms (or grams) of green kratom (as ground leaf powder suspended in water). The product was purchased at a local shop in April 2020 sold under the name “Green Bali.” After 30 min, he noticed a significant improvement in the intensity of the physical symptoms (mainly pain and fatigue), and within 60 min he felt a sensation of mild euphoria and well-being that lasted for about 5 h. After 6 h following consumption the effects of kratom wore off, and the patient administered another dose. He used kratom three times a day continuously for 3 days (for a total of 9 doses of 2.75 g each) with significant benefit.

Outcome
When asked to score from 0 to 100% the improvement that kratom had on COVID-19 symptoms: fatigue and weakness (80% improvement), tiredness (70% improvement), body aches (80% improvement), muscle pain (90% improvement, “much better than paracetamol/acetaminophen”). The kratom did not seem to have an impact on: fever, cough, or sore throat. The patient also stated: “I didn't have anxiety or any psychological symptoms. For me, kratom mainly gave improvement in physical reaction.” “It also elevated my mood and made me feel less miserable, to the point where I was able to get out of bed, shower, look at work emails without feeling completely exhausted and drained”; “Kratom helped me more than antibiotic”; “I slept better, I essentially fell asleep immediately. Without kratom, sleep was not nice, with kratom less wake ups, about 6 h.” Over the next 2 weeks the patient's symptoms gradually subsided and on May 13 he had a televisit with his physician and a follow-up swab test that was negative for COVID-19. The subject was able to end his quarantine and return to work in early June. In a follow-up interview with us, the patient reported that he did not experience any side effects from using kratom, except for a very bad taste when swallowing it. The patient was also able to discontinue kratom use immediately without any evidence of physical or psychological withdrawal symptoms. The patient also informed us that he still had some of the kratom product that he had taken and he agreed to provide us with a sample for chemical analysis.

Kratom Sample Analysis
An established quantitative liquid chromatography mass spectrometry method was conducted (62) and found that the sample obtained from the patient is kratom due to the presence of mitragynine (102 mg/g kratom powder) and 7-hydroxymitragynine (0.8 mg/g kratom powder). The extracted kratom sample was analyzed for the presence of 13 opioids and 8 benzodiazepines by comparing the chromatograms to those of the reference mixtures Pain Management Multi-component Opiate Mixture-13 solution and Benzodiazepine Multi-component Mixture-8 solution. These data suggest the sample was not fortified with 7-hydroxymitragynine and there was also no evidence of adulteration with opioids or common benzodiazepines in the sample.

[KalieGirl]

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The White House recently cited CDC data analysis claiming that unvaccinated Americans are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized and 20 times more likely to die from COVID, but what is the CDC not telling the American people when it comes to these fraudulent statistics?

The CDC is not telling Americans that unvaccinated Americans also include vaccinated Americans.

How can this be?

On Jan 5th, 2022, Fauci and the CDC changed the criteria for what constitutes an American being identified as vaccinated to a person who has received either 2 Pfizer experimental shots, 2 Moderna/Fauci experimental shots, or 1 Johnson & Johnson experimental shot AND a booster AND having been at least 14 days since the last experimental shot was administered.

Let that sink in.

If you got your shots, but don't want a booster, then you are now considered unvaccinated just like an American who is vaccine free.

In the US there are now 4 distinct categories of people.

1. Fully Vaccinated & Boosted.

2. Fully Vaccinated & Not Boosted.

3. Partially Vaccinated

4. Vaccine Free

If you fall into category 2, 3, or 4, then you are considered unvaccinated not by science, or logic, but rather by the undeserved authority of the CDC.

This 'either/or' fraud creates a dual effect, both deeply injurious to the American people.

1. It fraudulently hyperinflates the number of unvaccinated cases, hospitalizations and deaths making the situation look like it is being driven by vaccine free Americans.

2. It fraudulently deflates the number of vaccine breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths because now only category 1 Americans can qualify for vaccine breakthrough evaluation if they contract the virus. This is designed to make the failed experimental COVID shots more effective than they are.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough cases increased by over 1.1 million confirmed breakthrough cases from Nov to Dec.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough hospitalizations increased from 56,000 to over 90,000 from Nov to Dec.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough deaths increased from 16,000 to almost 25,000 from Nov to Dec.

All clear signals that the experimental COVID vaccinces have failed to be effective at protecting Americans from harm.

Remember that at least 1 million Americans have been injured by the experimental COVID shots and more than 21,000 have died after becoming part of the largest human experiment in history.

Now couple all of this verifiable information with these 3 final thoughts.

1. New York hospitals have confirmed that 43% of COVID hospital admissions were NOT due to COVID.

2. New Jersey hospitals have confirmed that 49% COVID hospital admissions were NOT due to COVID.

3. The CDC may be including pre-vaccine data in their calculations for vaccine effectiveness and categorizing the people in it as...you guessed it...unvaccinated. That's right, if the CDC is includung data from 2020 then everyone in that data was unvaccinated.

You can't make this stuff up.

Do you still think the CDC is telling the truth and trustworthy?

This is another major scandal, major fraud by a federal agency in violation of federal laws and another major act of Willful Misconduct by the CDC.

[KalieGirl]

Congressman asks questions about natural immunity and taxpayer money
https://rumble.com/vr5ssp-why-are-they- ... r&mc=dzsl7

[herbalhippie]

Various hospitals Covid admissions by vaxxed and unvaxxed for January

https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAwar ... on_status/

[StringThing]

Copied and pasted from telegram:

Time To Share!

The White House recently cited CDC data analysis claiming that unvaccinated Americans are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized and 20 times more likely to die from COVID, but what is the CDC not telling the American people when it comes to these fraudulent statistics?

The CDC is not telling Americans that unvaccinated Americans also include vaccinated Americans.

How can this be?

On Jan 5th, 2022, Fauci and the CDC changed the criteria for what constitutes an American being identified as vaccinated to a person who has received either 2 Pfizer experimental shots, 2 Moderna/Fauci experimental shots, or 1 Johnson & Johnson experimental shot AND a booster AND having been at least 14 days since the last experimental shot was administered.

Let that sink in.

If you got your shots, but don't want a booster, then you are now considered unvaccinated just like an American who is vaccine free.

In the US there are now 4 distinct categories of people.

1. Fully Vaccinated & Boosted.

2. Fully Vaccinated & Not Boosted.

3. Partially Vaccinated

4. Vaccine Free

If you fall into category 2, 3, or 4, then you are considered unvaccinated not by science, or logic, but rather by the undeserved authority of the CDC.

This 'either/or' fraud creates a dual effect, both deeply injurious to the American people.

1. It fraudulently hyperinflates the number of unvaccinated cases, hospitalizations and deaths making the situation look like it is being driven by vaccine free Americans.

2. It fraudulently deflates the number of vaccine breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths because now only category 1 Americans can qualify for vaccine breakthrough evaluation if they contract the virus. This is designed to make the failed experimental COVID shots more effective than they are.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough cases increased by over 1.1 million confirmed breakthrough cases from Nov to Dec.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough hospitalizations increased from 56,000 to over 90,000 from Nov to Dec.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough deaths increased from 16,000 to almost 25,000 from Nov to Dec.

All clear signals that the experimental COVID vaccinces have failed to be effective at protecting Americans from harm.

Remember that at least 1 million Americans have been injured by the experimental COVID shots and more than 21,000 have died after becoming part of the largest human experiment in history.

Now couple all of this verifiable information with these 3 final thoughts.

1. New York hospitals have confirmed that 43% of COVID hospital admissions were NOT due to COVID.

2. New Jersey hospitals have confirmed that 49% COVID hospital admissions were NOT due to COVID.

3. The CDC may be including pre-vaccine data in their calculations for vaccine effectiveness and categorizing the people in it as...you guessed it...unvaccinated. That's right, if the CDC is includung data from 2020 then everyone in that data was unvaccinated.

You can't make this stuff up.

Do you still think the CDC is telling the truth and trustworthy?

This is another major scandal, major fraud by a federal agency in violation of federal laws and another major act of Willful Misconduct by the CDC.

Lol

[StringThing]

Various hospitals Covid admissions by vaxxed and unvaxxed for January

https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAwar ... on_status/

False positive paradox in action.

Pretty evident if you look at the death rate per capita

[herbalhippie]

After 'doing my research' (I am really getting to dislike that phrase anymore lol) I ordered some black seed oil softgels to keep in case we get Covid in the house again. We won't take as a prophylactic but will
if we get exposed and sick. It seems pretty harmless. But I also keep elderberry syrup on hand. I also take fire cider every day and doubled the dose last time we got Covid. I feel better getting all that raw garlic
in my system because garlic acts as a natural blood thinner and, as a doctor at r/medicine put it, "Covid is a vascular disease with a respiratory delivery system.". People are losing limbs because of blood clots.

I'm not adverse to herbal and natural supplements, I just don't count on them as a 'cure'. Maybe they help, maybe they don't. It does relieve some anxiety about having Covid if you feel like you're doing
something. Anything.

GET VAXXED!

Our governor has called in the National Guard to help out at four hospitals in the state and one of them is ours, I didn't realize we were in that bad of shape. Covid cases are really climbing here. I had to go to the dentist
Monday for a broken filling and I spent the next two days after that just waiting for that telltale scratchy throat to hit. Dodged a bullet. This time.

[herbalhippie]

Oh yeah, forgot to say. If you're not aware, black seed oil does have a lot of interactions with certain medications to be sure to look into that before taking.

[brave777]

CBDA Stops Protein spikes. Its old news but since just now i had some chance to look at news, Mike Adams had a podcast about Cannabis. It has to be full spectrum CBD/THC. Regular CBD does not have CBDA. If some of ya'll still have high blood pressure and heart skipping here and there, Mike Adams thinks CBDA stops it. Not a doctor but by any means look into it if this info might help you, maybe talk to your Dr. they might know something about it. .. HAS TO CONTAIN CBDA... Or keep it a secret since anything you tell a Dr. they flat out BAN it. But Resividir is pushed everywhere even thought it is in testing phase and known to disable kidneys in less then 5 days.. Next thing you get a message, your mom or dad or who ever has kidney failure. Ventilators/you cant see them. At this point i dont care what you do. Kind of like Kratom, your choice to share your use or not.

If you look at the spread sheet, CBDA can go up to 2% ... you choose the flavor. If anyone finds a good source of high CBDA , please share. i am sure many can use it especially right now. Just make sure you dont take the whole thing at once, when i first got it, i thought it had no THC, i swallowed the whole syringe, after few hours i had a panic attack... then i looked at ingredients and saw it does contain little thc, i thought what an ass idiot i am... lol If have to , split it 4 way or 3 way. 10$ for 1000mg , cant beat it. good price. https://apicalgreens.com/product/rso-cb ... tic-blend/ I do think these things over power kratom, you might lose kratom effect for few days but thats normal. you can still take kratom for pain and feeling good just dont expect anything from kratom. If you take both, kratom and this oil, you will sleep like a kitten all day so be carefull, or take half the dose of kratom with it to not knock your self out, unless you need the good sleep then there is that option.

Not sure but i also heard garlic is a natural blood thinner. So if any of you need it and got nothing else around, its an option. Thats if your stuck, snowed in.

[StringThing]

CBDA Stops Protein spikes. Its old news but since just now i had some chance to look at news, Mike Adams had a podcast about Cannabis. It has to be full spectrum CBD/THC. Regular CBD does not have CBDA. If some of ya'll still have high blood pressure and heart skipping here and there, Mike Adams thinks CBDA stops it. Not a doctor but by any means look into it if this info might help you, maybe talk to your Dr. they might know something about it. .. HAS TO CONTAIN CBDA... Or keep it a secret since anything you tell a Dr. they flat out BAN it. But Resividir is pushed everywhere even thought it is in testing phase and known to disable kidneys in less then 5 days.. Next thing you get a message, your mom or dad or who ever has kidney failure. Ventilators/you cant see them. At this point i dont care what you do. Kind of like Kratom, your choice to share your use or not.

If you look at the spread sheet, CBDA can go up to 2% ... you choose the flavor. If anyone finds a good source of high CBDA , please share. i am sure many can use it especially right now. Just make sure you dont take the whole thing at once, when i first got it, i thought it had no THC, i swallowed the whole syringe, after few hours i had a panic attack... then i looked at ingredients and saw it does contain little thc, i thought what an ass idiot i am... lol If have to , split it 4 way or 3 way. 10$ for 1000mg , cant beat it. good price. https://apicalgreens.com/product/rso-cb ... tic-blend/ I do think these things over power kratom, you might lose kratom effect for few days but thats normal. you can still take kratom for pain and feeling good just dont expect anything from kratom. If you take both, kratom and this oil, you will sleep like a kitten all day so be carefull, or take half the dose of kratom with it to not knock your self out, unless you need the good sleep then there is that option.

Not sure but i also heard garlic is a natural blood thinner. So if any of you need it and got nothing else around, its an option. Thats if your stuck, snowed in.

#1. Those studies were done with IV injections of CBDa and the ones that weren't were in vitro.

#2. You can just buy CBDa. Not sure why you think you need full spectrum products. CBDa is just the acid form of CBD and as thus, is the naturally occurring and dominant form of CBD. So if you buy CBD flower, it's mostly CBDa. A lot of those products, even when listed as full spectrum, will contain the decarboxylated forms of these cannabinoids as they are more bioavailable.

#3. I feel I should mention that CBD edibles in general have absolute shit-tier bioavailability, even compared to other cannabinoids. It's really unfortunate. If you can find water soluble CBDa/nano emulsified CBDa, that would be the best product short of injecting/vaping/smoking.

#4. The effect found in the study was not that great. Garlic has similar anti-viral properties, and so does half the stuff at the grocery store/in your spice cabinet. EFFICACY is not the same as being EFFACACIOUS. These studies should be seen as potential, and reason for further study, not as evidence of any anti-viral claim. Seriously, most food has some kind of anti-bacterial/anti-viral/antioxidant/property that their respective industries use as propaganda to sell more product. I have personally looked into this and I can tell you that the hemp/cannabis industry is pushing massive amounts of funded studies to shine it in a good light. There are definitely positive properties but I think they are being wildly overblown by the media. Like a rubberband effect from all that DARE propaganda.

If you want to buy CBDa isolate you should check out Zero Point Extractions or KND Labs or Lula CBD or somewhere similar that manufactures their own CBD/CBDa from biomass. But I think you should really consider what I said about oral bioavailability, at the least.

Avoid apical greens. I bought from them many times while first getting into hemp back in 2018/2019. They advertise a lot and that's why everyone hears about them. But their products are subpar and overpriced. You can get better stuff for cheaper. I have also found mold on their flower before. Got a refund, but still. It's shady. There are more reputable companies. If you look online you'll find stories/experiences similar to mine. Just ask around any online hemp communities and you'll get good recommendations.

Also, get vaccinated. It's way better than CBDa could ever hope to be.

[StringThing]

Our governor has called in the National Guard to help out at four hospitals in the state and one of them is ours, I didn't realize we were in that bad of shape. Covid cases are really climbing here. I had to go to the dentist
Monday for a broken filling and I spent the next two days after that just waiting for that telltale scratchy throat to hit. Dodged a bullet. This time.

Some states are on the verge of infrastructure collapse. It's worse now than it's ever been right now. It's possible we may need another lockdown. I know there was one being discussed for this month, but it looks like that's probably not going to happen. Not in America, anyway. Pretty absurd how some states are enforcing more restrictions, and others are loosening them now, of all times.

https://www.usatoday.com/storytelling/c ... erica-map/

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... cfa1459eb7

Not sure that most people realize that this pandemic is essentially GONE in some other countries. China has some pretty authoritarian measures, but they work. They work REALLY well. Life is going on like normal there. People get vaccinated and mask up to protect themselves, but nobody is getting sick because the government bubbles off any outbreaks. Their food supply is pretty close to normal and their hospitals are not being overrun.

If you think inflation is bad now, just wait. This next year is going to be even worse, with both world war and American civil war looming.

[herbalhippie]

Free four Covid tests per residential address.

https://special.usps.com/testkits

[KalieGirl]

After firing unvaccinated staff, healthcare workers who are covid positive and symptomatic are told to come into work anyway because … you know… the health and safety of patients and staff is so imperative they fired staff over declining the vaccine that the vaccinated staff are still contracting.
Covid positive, sick, symptomatic staff coming to work and infecting workers and patients all in the name of increased workplace and patient safety!

https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/ ... rn-to-work

[StringThing]

Free four Covid tests per residential address.

https://special.usps.com/testkits

Hah! I just came in here to post those

Very smart hosting it on USPS's site.

[StringThing]

After firing unvaccinated staff, healthcare workers who are covid positive and symptomatic are told to come into work anyway because … you know… the health and safety of patients and staff is so imperative they fired staff over declining the vaccine that the vaccinated staff are still contracting.
Covid positive, sick, symptomatic staff coming to work and infecting workers and patients all in the name of increased workplace and patient safety!

https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/ ... rn-to-work

Unvaccinated and covid positive = more dangerous than vaccinated and covid positive.

Hard facts.

[KalieGirl]

After firing unvaccinated staff, healthcare workers who are covid positive and symptomatic are told to come into work anyway because … you know… the health and safety of patients and staff is so imperative they fired staff over declining the vaccine that the vaccinated staff are still contracting.
Covid positive, sick, symptomatic staff coming to work and infecting workers and patients all in the name of increased workplace and patient safety!

https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/ ... rn-to-work

Unvaccinated and covid positive = more dangerous than vaccinated and covid positive.

Hard facts.

Not true.
Unvaccinated and healthy is safer than vaccinated covid positive. Hard facts

[StringThing]

After firing unvaccinated staff, healthcare workers who are covid positive and symptomatic are told to come into work anyway because … you know… the health and safety of patients and staff is so imperative they fired staff over declining the vaccine that the vaccinated staff are still contracting.
Covid positive, sick, symptomatic staff coming to work and infecting workers and patients all in the name of increased workplace and patient safety!

https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/ ... rn-to-work

Unvaccinated and covid positive = more dangerous than vaccinated and covid positive.

Hard facts.

Not true.
Unvaccinated and healthy is safer than vaccinated covid positive. Hard facts

My statement is backed by the consensus opinion of the international scientific community.

Your statement is backed by people you trust on social media. You don't understand how to read statistics so you get confused and manipulated into believing in disinformation campaigns.

https://cepa.org/jabbed-in-the-back-map ... -covid-19/

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/99657085 ... ine-hoaxes

[KalieGirl]

Unvaccinated and covid positive = more dangerous than vaccinated and covid positive.

Hard facts.

Not true.
Unvaccinated and healthy is safer than vaccinated covid positive. Hard facts

My statement is backed by the consensus opinion of the international scientific community.

Your statement is backed by people you trust on social media. You don't understand how to read statistics so you get confused and manipulated into believing in disinformation campaigns.

https://cepa.org/jabbed-in-the-back-map ... -covid-19/

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/99657085 ... ine-hoaxes

You are wrong. Period. A healthy person is healthy by definition and a sick person isn’t. It’s simple and elementary

[Lokey]

I hate chiming into this because the debate is futile. You can have an unvaccinated person who is healthy, which is great, but it's not safe right now. No one mentioned if the vaccinated person with Covid was healthy or not before contracting it, but generally if they were, their chances of mild illness from Covid far exceeds what might happen to them if they got Covid without a vaccination. Of course, if the vaccinated person had health issues to begin with, that's a different scenario. The majority of the current hospitalizations are the unvaccinated. I do not have a study or article or scientific proof of this but it's my opinion based on what's been reported to the general public about Covid.

[KalieGirl]

Perhaps I need to rephrase the statement for clarification.
A healthy unvaccinated person who is covid negative (does not have the virus and has no symptoms) is safer to be around than a sick vaccinated person (tested positive and/or has symptoms). This is common sense. A covid negative person with no symptoms, regardless of vax status, is safer to be around than a sick person with covid and/or symptoms, regardless of vax status.

[KalieGirl]

I hate chiming into this because the debate is futile. You can have an unvaccinated person who is healthy, which is great, but it's not safe right now. No one mentioned if the vaccinated person with Covid was healthy or not before contracting it, but generally if they were, their chances of mild illness from Covid far exceeds what might happen to them if they got Covid without a vaccination. Of course, if the vaccinated person had health issues to begin with, that's a different scenario. The majority of the current hospitalizations are the unvaccinated. I do not have a study or article or scientific proof of this but it's my opinion based on what's been reported to the general public about Covid.

What do you mean with your statement that an unvaccinated healthy person is “not safe right now?”
Do you mean they are at greater risk from dying from covid than vaxxed or they are unsafe to be around in general? Some in my family had presumably delta variant in May and recovered, none were vaxxed. My sister who is also unvaxxed and lives in another state got Omicron presumably because she was mildly sick for 2-3 days and that’s it. Done. Everyone now has natural immunity. It is a fact that vax induced immunity wanes - 4th booster now?? Science is not 100% clear on natural immunity yet but some people have proven natural and long lasting immunity does happen. People who had SARS-cov-1 were shown to still have immunity 10-15 years later. Since the science is clear that vax induced immunity wanes it doesn’t seem so clear that vaxxed is safer. The data from the UK and Israel show the majority of hospitalized covid patients are in fact vaxxed. The US is behind them so we will see what happens here in the months to come.

[Lokey]

I hate chiming into this because the debate is futile. You can have an unvaccinated person who is healthy, which is great, but it's not safe right now. No one mentioned if the vaccinated person with Covid was healthy or not before contracting it, but generally if they were, their chances of mild illness from Covid far exceeds what might happen to them if they got Covid without a vaccination. Of course, if the vaccinated person had health issues to begin with, that's a different scenario. The majority of the current hospitalizations are the unvaccinated. I do not have a study or article or scientific proof of this but it's my opinion based on what's been reported to the general public about Covid.

What do you mean with your statement that an unvaccinated healthy person is “not safe right now?”
Do you mean they are at greater risk from dying from covid than vaxxed or they are unsafe to be around in general? Some in my family had presumably delta variant in May and recovered, none were vaxxed. My sister who is also unvaxxed and lives in another state got Omicron presumably because she was mildly sick for 2-3 days and that’s it. Done. Everyone now has natural immunity. It is a fact that vax induced immunity wanes - 4th booster now?? Science is not 100% clear on natural immunity yet but some people have proven natural and long lasting immunity does happen. People who had SARS-cov-1 were shown to still have immunity 10-15 years later. Since the science is clear that vax induced immunity wanes it doesn’t seem so clear that vaxxed is safer. The data from the UK and Israel show the majority of hospitalized covid patients are in fact vaxxed. The US is behind them so we will see what happens here in the months to come.

I meant they're at a greater risk of dying. Quite a lot of presumptions and here's an article that explains that even though in Israel 60% were vaccinated it does not mean the vaccines aren't working because there are so many other variables. I can't read every word or understand all the data in an article like this but I got the gyst of it.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/ ... vaccinated

Here's an article that says it's false about UK

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ ... ed-people/

[herbalhippie]

I posted a post from Reddit recently that showed the stats from a number of hospitals breaking down the rate of vaxxed vs unvaxxed patients.

Unvaxxed are by far the highest number of Covid patients in the hospitals.

[StringThing]

I posted a post from Reddit recently that showed the stats from a number of hospitals breaking down the rate of vaxxed vs unvaxxed patients.

Unvaxxed are by far the highest number of Covid patients in the hospitals.

The overwhelming majority of COVID deaths are unvaxxed also.

The numbers really speak for themselves.

At this point I am kind of okay with letting antivaxxers kill themselves. It may benefit me in the elections. Everyone I care about is vaxxed anyway.

[StringThing]

Not true.
Unvaccinated and healthy is safer than vaccinated covid positive. Hard facts

My statement is backed by the consensus opinion of the international scientific community.

Your statement is backed by people you trust on social media. You don't understand how to read statistics so you get confused and manipulated into believing in disinformation campaigns.

https://cepa.org/jabbed-in-the-back-map ... -covid-19/

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/99657085 ... ine-hoaxes

You are wrong. Period. A healthy person is healthy by definition and a sick person isn’t. It’s simple and elementary

It's simple and elementary, according to who?

What sort of education do you have?

I am a biologist.

[StringThing]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/ ... mm7104e1_w

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... -rcna12712

[KalieGirl]

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The White House recently cited CDC data analysis claiming that unvaccinated Americans are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized and 20 times more likely to die from COVID, but what is the CDC not telling the American people when it comes to these fraudulent statistics?

The CDC is not telling Americans that unvaccinated Americans also include vaccinated Americans.

How can this be?

On Jan 5th, 2022, Fauci and the CDC changed the criteria for what constitutes an American being identified as vaccinated to a person who has received either 2 Pfizer experimental shots, 2 Moderna/Fauci experimental shots, or 1 Johnson & Johnson experimental shot AND a booster AND having been at least 14 days since the last experimental shot was administered.

Let that sink in.

If you got your shots, but don't want a booster, then you are now considered unvaccinated just like an American who is vaccine free.

In the US there are now 4 distinct categories of people.

1. Fully Vaccinated & Boosted.

2. Fully Vaccinated & Not Boosted.

3. Partially Vaccinated

4. Vaccine Free

If you fall into category 2, 3, or 4, then you are considered unvaccinated not by science, or logic, but rather by the undeserved authority of the CDC.

This 'either/or' fraud creates a dual effect, both deeply injurious to the American people.

1. It fraudulently hyperinflates the number of unvaccinated cases, hospitalizations and deaths making the situation look like it is being driven by vaccine free Americans.

2. It fraudulently deflates the number of vaccine breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths because now only category 1 Americans can qualify for vaccine breakthrough evaluation if they contract the virus. This is designed to make the failed experimental COVID shots more effective than they are.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough cases increased by over 1.1 million confirmed breakthrough cases from Nov to Dec.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough hospitalizations increased from 56,000 to over 90,000 from Nov to Dec.

Remember that vaccine breakthrough deaths increased from 16,000 to almost 25,000 from Nov to Dec.

All clear signals that the experimental COVID vaccinces have failed to be effective at protecting Americans from harm.

Remember that at least 1 million Americans have been injured by the experimental COVID shots and more than 21,000 have died after becoming part of the largest human experiment in history.

Now couple all of this verifiable information with these 3 final thoughts.

1. New York hospitals have confirmed that 43% of COVID hospital admissions were NOT due to COVID.

2. New Jersey hospitals have confirmed that 49% COVID hospital admissions were NOT due to COVID.

3. The CDC may be including pre-vaccine data in their calculations for vaccine effectiveness and categorizing the people in it as...you guessed it...unvaccinated. That's right, if the CDC is includung data from 2020 then everyone in that data was unvaccinated.

You can't make this stuff up.

Do you still think the CDC is telling the truth and trustworthy?

This is another major scandal, major fraud by a federal agency in violation of federal laws and another major act of Willful Misconduct by the CDC.

[KalieGirl]

Perhaps I need to rephrase the statement for clarification.
A healthy unvaccinated person who is covid negative (does not have the virus and has no symptoms) is safer to be around than a sick vaccinated person (tested positive and/or has symptoms). This is common sense. A covid negative person with no symptoms, regardless of vax status, is safer to be around than a sick person with covid and/or symptoms, regardless of vax status.

I said what I said. It needs no explanation or advanced degree.

[Lokey]

Which Telegram news is the source of your info? I read something that sounds like they're misunderstanding the 14 days. If you are vaxxed and boosted you're vaxxed period. There are different Telegrams and one is a right-wing app full of BS.

[brave777]

Perhaps I need to rephrase the statement for clarification.
A healthy unvaccinated person who is covid negative (does not have the virus and has no symptoms) is safer to be around than a sick vaccinated person (tested positive and/or has symptoms). This is common sense. A covid negative person with no symptoms, regardless of vax status, is safer to be around than a sick person with covid and/or symptoms, regardless of vax status.

Everyone i know who is unvaxxed is NOT sick... Everyone one i know who is vaxxed are not the same person, be honest if your vaxxed do you feel something changed in you? do you wish to return how you use to be before getting vaxxed? Every friend i know who got vaxxed been in and out of hospital. They feel something is wrong with them. The friend who i visited sacremento, CA. He has two kids and been in a hosptial in and out and now he seems to be in the hospital for good. His nurse wife who is vaxxed is fine thought, just sick. Its sad that some believe the blue pill until its too late and they have to go for good. They will never see what happened because they never took the red pill. But i already agreed in my head that everyone already made their choice. No need to waste time and energy on my friends or be it online helping. I tell the same, to everyone who is helping to stop. Not that we are mean, its just i know what happens in a vaxxed brain person, it wont be good for unvaxxed with media and the chip inside them to manipulate. You can still resist manipulation when same thoughts like mechenical keep coming back to your head, and you raalise its not yours, and choose to ignore. by the time you learn to do that , you will have to compare how it use to be before gettig vaxxed and copare what changed after... observe all thoughts, many is not yours. Best to stay away from them right now, i seen first hand some not acting them self, they never use to act like that and Aleks Jones and many others confirmed vaxxed people being near them be it friends, family are NOT THE SAME anymore. I understand the ID number fades away and breaks down but if you are around big cities and 5G towers, the vax chip will never break down, only will become more active as time goes on. You will always have IP address attached to you. But how far can you go to feel better? Mountain caves? underground bunkers? Self isolated EMF proof room? I dont think you can stay long there and you will still have to come out some day. So far many of you here been nice to me who are vaxxed and i respect that, i really hope it stays this way, i feel kind of safe but in the real word i ran into something that made my mind change not to help for good. Just want to stay away from them, i dont care how good and close we were friends. I just dont want to encounter them (vaxxed) again. I would share it but you wouldn't believe it. All the people vaxxed here best advice always stays same from me, the vax chip sucks your energy out if your immune system is weak. Increase it any way possible. No need to hide in caves. Chip works bad when immune system at most high. And if it disapears on the blue tooth search, you did somethig right. Its possible i hear. The more you add , be it first time vax or booster the more bad you will feel. You will remember this comment for rest of your life. I promise. I dont say something like this for nothing. I know many dont believe and choose not too. Thats your choice. Disrecard it, trow it in a trash. Its your choice. I feel like some people came here to earth to experience the shot and they knew they be leaving soon. Seems like thats what regressive hypnosis is hinting me. So whats the point even being in the way? no point.

I also been hanging out with everyone who been vaxed or boosted 6 months ago, since most shedding stops and i dont care touching/hugging. even if i do start feeling pins and needles i know exactly what protocols to take to make shedding pins and needles go away. Epson salt with most hot water i can handle always removed it for me. If you not vaxxed, do 2 cups of epson salt and one cup of borax and if got organic soap half cup in hot batch. works like a charm everytime you feel something is starting to bother you.

[KalieGirl]

Which Telegram news is the source if your info? I read something that sounds like they're misunderstanding the 14 days. If you are vaxxed and boosted you vaxxed period. There are dufferent Telegrams and one is a right-wing app full of BS.

You can fact check the info at the CDC.

[herbalhippie]

There is no vax chip, Brave.

I'd be more worried about being tracked by my smart phone.

[brave777]

Also if you still think PCR test isolates RONA DEADLY VIRUS. i advice you go to random testing sites all day, or perhaps all weeks. i bet like most people who did this, 50% will be negetive and 50% will be positive. Even if you come to all of them and last minute say you got emergency and run away leaving your first and last name on paper. Not even tested yet, just name on paper. You will get response on all of them, its all will be random, positive and negatives... If you dont believe me, how about you try it? That way yu have no excuses for good. Get RED pilled the hard way.

[brave777]

There is no vax chip, Brave.

I'd be more worried about being tracked by my smart phone.

Did not watch any self assemble chip videos? activates at 98 to 99f once injected or rooms temps under microscope and you can see little magnets self assemble itself. it is clear in a vile when frozen. We are in 2022 year, new tech we never even heard of but you can find scientists all around world finding weird things in a vile under microscope at temps 98f to 99f. How come all people who have been vaxxed have a 12 digit number? did you by chance have a chance to blue tooth search your 12 digit number? everyone one i asked said they found it, best way is to go away somewhere in the field away from all people to find out your permanent 12 digit number. I am not joking here. dead serious...

ALSO there is many videos when self phone keeps asking to connect to their 12 digit number. Funny part you dont even have asses to your self to see your heart rate, blood pressure, if sleeping, your current state of well being and a bunch other. It be better if you could actually have the keys to it and not someone else. yes there is plenty of video so called alternative conspiracy sites where cell phones keeps wanting to connect to yourself. Maybe they will fix this bug soon who knnows. I mean its all over on many platforms, some i seen on bitchute. i am not here to educate, just what i remember seeing. believe it or not. your choice because none of this to me is 100% legit because i did not see it with my own eyes. i am just like you wondering if its real legit info or made up 100% conspiracy.

[Lokey]

Yikes. I'm vaxxed and I don't feel any different than before.

[Lokey]

Which Telegram news is the source if your info? I read something that sounds like they're misunderstanding the 14 days. If you are vaxxed and boosted you vaxxed period. There are dufferent Telegrams and one is a right-wing app full of BS.

You can fact check the info at the CDC.

That's where I looked for what is considered vaxxed and found nothing like what you're posting. I saw something about they are asking when the last shot was but if it's greater than 14 days that doesn't make you considered unvaxxed. I tried to find other sources but could not.

[brave777]

Yikes. I'm vaxxed and I don't feel any different than before.

Not everyone will, most up the pyramid who are gov workers did not get jabbed or if did only for tracking purpose. nothing bad. Google workers , Pfizer, they are not jabbed and many alike. perhaps your in good hands someone who in high places watching over you. If you not experienced hospital visits yet. Its kind of like few videos where black person showed up in white neighbor hood area and they said she needed another vile since she is in white neighborhood or vice versa. So each color person has its own vile. you can find plenty info on that.