Coronavirus discussion

[SeventhHeaven]

Yep. Looks like they've figured it out in Japan (and other countries) too -

https://www.westernjournal.com/game-cha ... hing-huge/

[Babel-17]

https://www.newsweek.com/how-dr-fauci-o ... ts-1652002

Tech & Science
How Dr. Fauci and Other Officials Withheld Information on China's Coronavirus Experiments
By Rowan Jacobsen On 11/22/21 at 3:10 PM EST

For half a year, Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious-disease official, and Kentucky senator and physician Rand Paul have been locked in a battle over whether the National Institutes of Health funded dangerous "gain of function" research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) and whether that research could have played a role in the pandemic. Against Senator Paul's aggressive questioning over three separate hearings, Dr. Fauci adamantly denied the charge. "The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology," he said in their first fracas on May 11, a position he has steadfastly maintained.

Recently, however, a tranche of documents surfaced that complicate Dr. Fauci's denials. The documents, obtained by Freedom of Information Act requests, show that the NIH was funding research at the Wuhan lab that involved manipulating coronaviruses in ways that could have made them more transmissible and deadly to humans—work that arguably fits the definition of gain-of-function. The documents establish that top NIH officials were concerned that the work may have crossed a line the U.S. government had drawn against funding such risky research. The funding came from the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which Dr. Fauci heads.

The resistance among Dr. Fauci and other NIH officials to be forthcoming with information that could inform the debate over the origins of COVID-19 illustrates the old Watergate-era saw that the coverup is often worse than the crime. There's no evidence that the experiments in question had any direct bearing on the pandemic. In the past, Dr. Fauci has made strong arguments for why this type of research, albeit risky, was necessary to prevent future pandemics, and he could have done so again. But the NIH has dragged its feet over FOIA requests on the matter, handing over documents only after The Intercept took the agency to court.

The apparent eagerness to conceal the documents has only raised suspicions about the controversial research and put the NIH on the defensive. Fauci told ABC, "neither I nor Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the NIH, lied or misled about what we've done." The episode is a self-inflicted wound that has further eroded trust in the nation's public health officials at a time when that trust is most important.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-dr-fauci-o ... ts-1652002

Will provide for some new, pointed, discussions, imo.

[KalieGirl]

NIH published a study on prevention of covid in healthcare workers that resulted in a 74% risk reduction of becoming infected. I found it interesting!
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34513523/

This study published by NIH showed reduced mortality in hospitalized covid patients.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7550891/

Looks like Babel already posted these!

[KalieGirl]

I wish that covid, the vaccines, and treatments were not such polarizing topics! I am a seeker of the truth and wish we could all come together and demand the truth from big pharma, FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO and the government. We the people deserve the truth! In fact we should demand it instead of attacking and labeling each other. Maybe just maybe we could learn something from each other. We all want covid to go away! Maybe that goal can unite us and we can ask some hard questions to our leaders and hold them accountable. I don’t know about you but I have A LOT of questions about how all of this has been handled from the beginning and why are vaccines being pushed so hard especially on children?! I have read it is estimated up to 50% of children have had and recovered from covid, many with very mild symptoms! Why would we risk vaccinations in our children many of whom are now immune? And why is natural immunity being ignored?

[SeventhHeaven]

Kalie, I'm going to answer your questions as best I can, but I know that many will say it's conspiracy theory. And that's fine.

1. The global elite who are basically running the world (see Klaus Schwab, the leader of the World Economic Forum) have been saying for decades that they want to reduce the world's population down from almost 8 billion to a maximum of 500 million. The Georgia Guidestones, erected in 1980, say so - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones - and the UN has been talking about it for decades as well (see Agenda 2030, as well as others).

2. Isn't it odd that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, both of which have been inexpensive and readily available for years world-wide, as well as being considered extremely safe (in many countries no Rx required) are suddenly proclaimed to be horrendously dangerous and forbidden by governments all over the world after being used in billions of doses for everything from parasites to Lupus to arthritis for several decades?

3. Isn't it amazing that while the two drugs above, which typically cost (before covid) maybe $20.00 for a full treatment of a week or so, are forbidden, while Big Pharma comes up with "vaccines" (which are actually a gene therapy which causes your body itself to produce spike proteins which allegedly will "train" your body to fight viruses which use spike proteins to attach to your ACE2 receptors to infect you). "Vaccines" have always been killed or modified real viruses which supposedly trains your body - these covid "vaccines" are the first time a shot has been used on humans which causes actual genetic modifications. Incidentally, they also cause micro-clots in your blood, in many cases leading to myocarditis and/or heart attacks (note all the young athletes and children now experiencing this since getting their covid "vaccines", especially the boosters.

4. Rather than treating covid infections early, we have been told to "stay home and self-isolate, and go to the hospital only if you're having trouble breathing", at which point the infection is already past the point where treatment is likely to be successful. At the hospital, you'll probably be given Remdesivir, the only "approved" drug for treatment of COVID-19, which will quite likely damage your kidneys and liver and possibly kill you. And/Or they'll put you on a ventilator, which is VERY likely to kill anyone with a serious covid infection, by essentially blowing out their highly-inflamed lungs. And when someone dies in a hospital with COVID-19, the federal gov't will give the hospital I believe it's $38,000.00 per patient.

But not to worry - they're now coming up with new drugs that essentially do the same things Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine do, except they cost a few thousand dollars for a series of treatments. Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, you see, are no longer under patent, so Big Pharma can't make Big Bucks with them.

Additionally, the covid scamdemic - from a virus produced in a Chinese gov't Level 4 lab (and paid for largely by US taxpayer dollars, via Anthony Fauci and his compadres) - allowed massive mail-in voting and other changes to the US voting system to take place. Many of these changes were blatantly illegal, because according to the US Constitution only state legislatures can legally change states' voting rules - NOT governors, NOT attorneys general, and NOT secretaries of state. And yet, here we are.

I firmly believe that the covid plandemic accomplished all the things it was designed to do -

1) it created such panic and fear that people are still wearing face masks, even though viruses pass right through both surgical and cloth masks; scared people are easy to brainwash and control

2) it allowed the election to be stolen and a Chinese communist / global elite malleable puppet to be put into place as our "president"; both China and the global elite hated Trump, because he was reversing all the things they had accomplished in the US

3) it's making $billions and eventually $trillions for Big Pharma

4) the global elite have finally activated their plan to drastically lower the earth's population, eventually by over 90%, by using the "vaccines"

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where we are right now. It's going to get very, very dark.

It's estimated that only 1% to 10% of vaccine-related injuries make it into the VAERS database (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) because so few people - including doctors - are aware it even exists.

https://openvaers.com/ - and be sure to check the COVID Vaccine Data tab as well. Remember, this is only somewhere between 1% and 10% of the actual adverse reactions which have happened with the covid "vaccines".

[herbalhippie]

Additionally, the covid scamdemic - from a virus produced in a Chinese gov't Level 4 lab (and paid for largely by US taxpayer dollars, via Anthony Fauci and his compadres) - allowed massive mail-in voting and other changes to the US voting system to take place. Many of these changes were blatantly illegal, because according to the US Constitution only state legislatures can legally change states' voting rules - NOT governors, NOT attorneys general, and NOT secretaries of state. And yet, here we are.

I firmly believe that the covid plandemic accomplished all the things it was designed to do -



2) it allowed the election to be stolen and a Chinese communist / global elite malleable puppet to be put into place as our "president"; both China and the global elite hated Trump, because he was reversing all the things they had accomplished in the US

Let's keep politics in the Politics thread please. Next post will be automatically moved and will end up out of context. Thanks.

[herbalhippie]

My two kids that haven't yet are getting their Moderna boosters this weekend, along with their significant others. One of them had Moderna
to begin with but the other had Pfizer, so she's going to mix & match.

This will be some anxiety off. One daughter is in the office only two days a week but the other works in
a cannabis warehouse and is around a LOT of people every day.

I've been reading about this new variant from South Africa, it's kind of worrisome.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/nati ... l1ffxd6Kd0

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/omicron ... tions.html

[KalieGirl]

SeventhHeaven- you’ve given me a lot to look over and digest! LOL
Thank you for being bold and posting your comments. I am interested in respectful discussions of all points of views and opinions! I am not interested in an echo chamber of a single narrative or throwing grenades back and forth between opposing views which usually degenerates into insults and name calling. Not that you did any of that though just to clarify!

Oh yes, and I forgot to ask you about the black cumin… do you have a trusted source for this supplement you can recommend? I have a friend who got her 2nd Pfizer shot and 2 days later began having excruciating nerve pain. I would like to buy some for her to try!

[IndelibleDotInk]

Good to hear from you aside from the trading post! How ya been Kalie?

[SeventhHeaven]

I think y'all will want to be aware of this -

South African Medical Association says Omicron variant causes "mild disease".

This is from Angelique Coetzee, the chairwoman of the South African Medical Association, where the variant first hit.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 949404.cms

[SeventhHeaven]

Hi Kalie -

I bought my black cumin (Nigella Sativa) seeds from Amazon, but if you have a local food co-op or health food store you should be able to find it there. I bought my raw honey from a vat in a good supermarket.

Be sure to get GROUND Nigella Sativa seeds. On Amazon I bought "MB Herbals Black Cumin Seed Powder 227 Gram (8 oz) Nigella sativa Powder", because it was very highly rated.

Incidentally, a few weeks ago someone I know online was in her second day of being sick with COVID and was getting scared. Low oxygen, trouble breathing when laying down, so not sleeping. I told her about the seeds and raw honey, and she sent her husband to get them (they even had a local bee keeper for the honey). Two days later she was healthy again. Pretty amazing, and it's no wonder people in places like India eat the seeds regularly They say the seeds "heal everything but death".

I hope it's OK to post a link to a doctor's video on YouTube about a study in Pakistan where they used seeds and raw honey successfully for COVID-19 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwa6-EOohI

[KalieGirl]

Good to hear from you aside from the trading post! How ya been Kalie?

Hey! Doing well and trying to stay healthy. How about you?

[KalieGirl]

Hi Kalie -

I bought my black cumin (Nigella Sativa) seeds from Amazon, but if you have a local food co-op or health food store you should be able to find it there. I bought my raw honey from a vat in a good supermarket.

Be sure to get GROUND Nigella Sativa seeds. On Amazon I bought "MB Herbals Black Cumin Seed Powder 227 Gram (8 oz) Nigella sativa Powder", because it was very highly rated.

Incidentally, a few weeks ago someone I know online was in her second day of being sick with COVID and was getting scared. Low oxygen, trouble breathing when laying down, so not sleeping. I told her about the seeds and raw honey, and she sent her husband to get them (they even had a local bee keeper for the honey). Two days later she was healthy again. Pretty amazing, and it's no wonder people in places like India eat the seeds regularly They say the seeds "heal everything but death".

I hope it's OK to post a link to a doctor's video on YouTube about a study in Pakistan where they used seeds and raw honey successfully for COVID-19 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwa6-EOohI

So is the powder best? I was looking at the organic raw cold pressed oil and almost bought some but decided to wait.

[SeventhHeaven]

Hi Kalie -

All I know is the powder is what was used in the study in Pakistan and by my friend that it worked for with covid. The video has the amounts of raw (not processed) honey and seeds to use per body weight

[KalieGirl]

Looks like the powder is the way to go then! I noticed it was added to the FLCCC covid prevention and treatment protocol also. Going to buy some soon and add to my vitamin and supplement regimen. Seems to be good for immune system function in general and there are a lot of other viruses out there still besides covid including influenza, etc. I am so thankful I am covid recovered!! I am getting a t-cell test to check for immunity.

[SeventhHeaven]

I'm glad you're covid-recovered too!

Yep, it sounds like the Black Cumin / Nigelle Sativa seeds are good for lots of things; I may have mentioned that the doctor - Dr. Been - in that video says that in India they say they cure everything but death

A friend of mine and I have been eating the seeds whenever we get a sniffle or have been around people who may have been exposed to covid - my friend was in the hospital recently for gallbladder issues, and hospitals right now aren't the safest place to be. So seeds to the rescue!

[brave777]

I love you guys posting health tips what works, i do use cumin and turmeric once a week to keep health up.. Glad to finely see awesome very intelligent people here who actually know what the heck going on.

[herbalhippie]

Glad to finely see awesome very intelligent people here who actually know what the heck going on.

Is that so.

[MetalMamaRocks]

Glad to finely see awesome very intelligent people here who actually know what the heck going on.

Is that so.

Um, I don't really know what to say to this.

[herbalhippie]

Glad to finely see awesome very intelligent people here who actually know what the heck going on.

Is that so.

Um, I don't really know what to say to this.

Neither do I. Which is probably a good thing.

[brave777]

I know what to say, you are ALL INTELLIGENT!

[herbalhippie]

Better.

[MetalMamaRocks]

I know what to say, you are ALL INTELLIGENT!

Nice save Brave!

[brave777]

I know what to say, you are ALL INTELLIGENT!

Nice save Brave!

Yeah i come off mean a lot of times but i m slowly working what words i choose. Still in a learning phase. I was told that I was a harsh religious leader in my past life. So in this life going 360 the other way around, away from all cults and religions. I am a free Man and no one, i mean no one can or will control me. Its my choice my mind. And advice you all not follow any groups but take what rings true and run with it. Basically listening to your own heart only. Even if wrong decision happen, you still learn from it. I am just glad you guys here very understanding..

[brave777]

Hopefully any of this info will benefit someone here.

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I really dont know how i missed this that can help anyone who is looking for anything that works

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Also i remebered long time ago listening to this and a lot swear by it but could be anecdote.

Fasting work, if you can pull off a 24 hours and only sipping on lemon. Any bacteria that somehow ended up in your gut or lungs will turn on itself and die. If you noticed your always hungry and start coughing, the bacteria is eating your food faster then your body, it can spread to whole body if you feed meat or cheese to it. stop all, fast 24, and only lemon. Lemon is what 50 cents? Fasting is what? 24 hours? what you got to lose? In general all bad bacteria cant live in plant matter, warm or hot tea's are always welcomed. I still think its the bacteria that is killing people not no virus. I read a bunch of articles and it seems everyone pointing finger to bacteria. It can be spread trough air, water droplets , food, no one knows where they will pick it up but if you knnow basic lemon and 24 hour fast should be first on head. If can to make sure works 100% , eat but only healthy stuff like smoothies with natural fruits and perhaps some supplements like turmeric. any way this was on my mind to share for 2 weeks... Not sure if works but i hear good things.

I think i already posted this whene covid started if you scroll back, avoid all new weird looking products. For example, New water label bottles. At gas stations fans blowing droplets and unknown unlabeled looking liquid inside. Easiest and fastest to spread is gas station because every single person on earth needs to fill their cars. Always be aware of weird things or objects or weird vans pulling around unlabeled gallons or what ever. Gas stations should be #1 on watch list, and take videos right away if see something weird.. just pull and record.

[Greyfeather]

I know what to say, you are ALL INTELLIGENT!

Nice save Brave!

Yeah i come off mean a lot of times but i m slowly working what words i choose. Still in a learning phase. I was told that I was a harsh religious leader in my past life. So in this life going 360 the other way around, away from all cults and religions. I am a free Man and no one, i mean no one can or will control me. Its my choice my mind. And advice you all not follow any groups but take what rings true and run with it. Basically listening to your own heart only. Even if wrong decision happen, you still learn from it. I am just glad you guys here very understanding..

So you were a religious despot in your past life?
You do know what 360 degrees are, right? It means that you have come all the way around and are still in the same place. That tracks.

[herbalhippie]

Greyfeather! How are you?

[MetalMamaRocks]

I know what to say, you are ALL INTELLIGENT!

Nice save Brave!

Yeah i come off mean a lot of times but i m slowly working what words i choose. Still in a learning phase. I was told that I was a harsh religious leader in my past life. So in this life going 360 the other way around, away from all cults and religions. I am a free Man and no one, i mean no one can or will control me. Its my choice my mind. And advice you all not follow any groups but take what rings true and run with it. Basically listening to your own heart only. Even if wrong decision happen, you still learn from it. I am just glad you guys here very understanding..

Nah, I know you're not mean. I also know you didn't mean what you said exactly the way it came out. Lol

You bring up a good point about choice. A lot of people that are against taking the vaccine say the ones that take it are "sheep being controlled by the government".

In my case, I researched the different vaccines, learned about potential side effects, and weighed those against Covid effects. I have a couple of underlying conditions that could make Covid dangerous to me, and I take care of my elderly mother who also has underlying conditions.

I decided to get the vaccine, it was totally my choice, and I'm glad I got it.

[Greyfeather]

Greyfeather! How are you?

Hello!

All fine here. Christmas isn't really a thing for us so we like to keep it low-key this time of year. My Guy and I have been working on a project for months now. We live in an old home that can be weird at times. For example, it has one of those staircases that make it nearly impossible to get furniture onto the second floor - in particular a king-sized bed frame. We didn't want to spend over two thousand for one, so I spent months working on a custom design, we finally got the wood we needed ($$$$!!!! ). We found a cabinet-maker who cut the pieces for us (Lowes doesn't do that anymore) and so now we're kind of taking our time putting everything together because I guess we really don't want the 'fun' to be over We'll be finished by the holiday, so our mattresses will be up off of the floor. That's difficult for me because I have been a 'floor sleeper' for nearly 40 years. It just feels safer to me .

I hope you and your family enjoy time you spend together. Time, these days, seems more precious than before.


On the subject of COVID, our county's positive infection rates are soaring again and our hospitals are getting crowded - again. I figured Thanksgiving would catch up with us. I scheduled My Guy a booster last week, It was a drive-through so we got to enjoy doing one of our favorite things - sitting in the car together and talking. Our county had a really nice operation going during the initial vaccination months, but the booster situation isn't going as smoothly and I worry about folks who don't have rides or who don't know how to navigate the websites. So if anyone out there is hesitating because it seems like a lot of hassle, just call the numbers posted for your area. Someone will answer and they'll help too.

Everyone stay safe. And Happy Winter Solstice!

[StringThing]

It's quite sad to see the amount of conspiracy theories being pushed in this thread.

[Silphium22]

Hey, quit bitchin. Just get the vax, man!

Just get the vax, man - Australia.png

[SeventhHeaven]

[herbalhippie]

Somebody dying is funny?

[SeventhHeaven]

Someone dying is never funny.

I was laughing at the irony. Which is why the "shocked" emoji on the 2nd line.

Frankly, I think it's very sad. Especially all the kids and young people who are dying.

I modified the post.

[IjustFeltLikeRunnin’]

I’m confused….

What is ironic about this?

[CatfatherB]

I’m confused….

What is ironic about this?

it's like rain on your wedding day
it's a free ride when you've already paid.....

[IjustFeltLikeRunnin’]

I’m confused….

What is ironic about this?

it's like rain on your wedding day
it's a free ride when you've already paid.....

Oh.

Well that just about clears everything up then..…….Don’t’cha think……………….?

[brave777]

Nice save Brave!

Yeah i come off mean a lot of times but i m slowly working what words i choose. Still in a learning phase. I was told that I was a harsh religious leader in my past life. So in this life going 360 the other way around, away from all cults and religions. I am a free Man and no one, i mean no one can or will control me. Its my choice my mind. And advice you all not follow any groups but take what rings true and run with it. Basically listening to your own heart only. Even if wrong decision happen, you still learn from it. I am just glad you guys here very understanding..

So you were a religious despot in your past life?
You do know what 360 degrees are, right? It means that you have come all the way around and are still in the same place. That tracks.

Yeah there is ways to see your past lifes, you can do it your selfs by learning hypnosis. But if zero knowledge like me, i rather go to a professionals. You can go to 3 or 10 different regressive hypnosis therapists and you will always see last life same person be it female or male with out therapists knowing each other, just from different therapists you might get different insights of who you were, lets say even 10 lifes back, it dont matter. trough it you can find any info or solve problems. You might go trough test first to laydown to see how fast you start seeing images and get the basics down before you go into hypnosis. Kinda what Alba does https://www.youtube.com/c/AlbaWeinman/videos , you can sign up to her but might wait 2 years... but good thing there are many that practice helping people, dont have to wait 2 years. just look around if in desperate situation for answers. Even watching videos like Albas, you might find answers for your self since many go trough similar situations. Yeah was slightly sleepy when i wrote 360... lol One thing i learned from all info that talked on the vaccine, that it is bad.In one of them it talked about how this is just one peice of tech, it is not fully activated yet. in the future there will be a chip that will activate it full swing and you will be owned property. Even thought if you click search pair device in blue tooth, you will see your own number id pop up if your vaxxed. Since there will be many numbers around when you pair in bluetooth section, you have to be in a field away from people to knows your 10 or 12 digit number, i forgot how many numbers it is. it will look something like E3:F7:D9:S2:A0:L1, when some one mentioned it, i was stuck in traffic and clicked pair device to test it, and had so many numbers come up....

[brave777]

Got some amazing products i found that work 100%. Day 3 no kratom and feel freaking amazing.... I literlay think this is a cure for kratom wd's even thought my dose been 4-6 kratom a day, i dont know if how much it will reduce wd's if your at 100 grams a day..... or above 10 grams. Either way it will help a lot. This also works if you have weird problems in body that you don't understand...

Its $160.75 Healthy Foundation Pak 2.5 , but worth every penny....
https://www.controlyourhealth.care/stor ... k_2.5.html

12 BAD FOODS, same doctor that created, Healthy Foundation Pak
https://www.controlyourhealth.care/12-bad-foods.html

I started following avoiding these 12 Bad foods, and he on point, i feel even more super better.... I am sharing this out of free will for those in need that something that actually works... Hard part is to avoiding those 12 foods...

[herbalhippie]

^^ Is this something to do with Covid, or is this about health in general?