The fda just approved a canabis based drug. And only$30,000 a year to get.
What a scam. Prolly does the same as a joint or two. This bolsters my opinion that Scott Gotlieb and the fda are bought and paid for by big pharma. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/01/health/m ... index.html
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herbalhippie
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Hi Goat! I moved your topic from Kratom Discussion to the Off Topic area, where everything non-kratom goes. Thanks for posting!
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They want you to take their version and not the natural cheaper and safer version.Kunlong wrote: Why they have been visciously "anti" both.
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Like the reporters say, "Follow the money".
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They don't even try to hide it anymore. The next natural product to be co-opted by corporate greed will be shrooms. Special FDA approved shrooms or synthetic psilocybin.
https://qz.com/1454785/a-millionaire-co ... -monopoly/
https://qz.com/1454785/a-millionaire-co ... -monopoly/
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They're using medical-grade synthetic magic mushrooms and therapists with 2 days of training and no personal experience with the actual substance.
What could possibly go wrong?
Of course they control all publishing of results so we'll probably never know about anything not in the official press release.
What could possibly go wrong?
Of course they control all publishing of results so we'll probably never know about anything not in the official press release.
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After the "lsd therapists" of the 60s everybody knows. Except that was a "sex with your "therapist" on lsd is crazy fun and its MEDICAL!" and this one is a "Oh WOUNDED SOUL, draweth nigh for a hand holding session, the taxpayers can be bilked outrageously for and you can have a predatory atheist in your head while you're on shrooms! Its legit! We wrote so in a paper!"BlendsAreMyFriends wrote:They're using medical-grade synthetic magic mushrooms and therapists with 2 days of training and no personal experience with the actual substance.
What could possibly go wrong?
Of course they control all publishing of results so we'll probably never know about anything not in the official press release.
And of course, all the kid boards are loaded with "donate to psychedelic research so we can get it legal!" 10 years of donations for "research" of lifelong salaries, for info we have had since the 60s, re-written over and over.
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Sorry off topic, but gotlieb wants to brainwash people into mush. This medicine is not for brain washing (even tho it actually does in a physical sense)
From "TEO: The International Journal of Psychoactive Mushrooms" / May 2003
Tassili Doctor:
The practice Of Psilocybe Medicine
By Dr. Karl D. Buchanan
While a wealth of information exists regarding modern research into the psychiatric use of the psilocybe fungi, there is relatively little of scholarly merit on their place in physical medicine. The universally accepted academic "guru" of modern psilocybes, Gordon Wasson, believed from subjective experience that psilocybes were actually deleterious to the health though he consumed them on some 24 reported occasions. What Gordon Wasson probably did not know, though his daughter Marsha, a trained nurse might, is that the symptoms he experienced which led him to believe this were the same symptoms anyone might experience in any situation where they were enduring what is medically termed as a "healing crisis". What Wasson perceived as "damage" was actually the effect of the massive purging of toxins shed into the blood and elimination systems. The body, unable to eliminate the toxins as fast as it has shed them feels discomfort, fatigue and headache. This is not disease but the symptom of healing, and is curable by adequate fluid and electrolyte intake. I suggest that subconsciously or spiritually Wasson may have suspected this, as I find it difficult to imagine such a man defying both his own instincts and intellect. The Shaman might say "His body knew it." I think it is worthy though sad to note that Gordon Wasson passed away of natural causes which as yet cannot be attached in any way to his use of psilocybes during his lifetime. We may have few documented accounts, but the ones we have are clear, and so far no evidence of harmful effects is showing. It has been shown that psilocin/psilocybin mildly irritate the gastrointestinal tract, and for that reason they are not typically used to treat GI diseases. Further research should be done in this area, though the potential negative effects while not lethal or difficult to relieve are certainly unappealing to the volunteer. Psilocybes are also unresearched and potentially deleterious in the treatment of brain tumors, brain injuries or other organicity and specifically should not be used in such cases until adequate studies of effects, risks and merit can be shown.
The most obvious place for psilocybes is in the frontline treatment of infections generally. Patients treated with P. cubensis equadorians exhibited the additional healing of any infected scratches/cuts i.e. redness before treatment entirely gone within 12 hours.
Patient with early signs of strep throat (lesions forming and discolored) treated with 1.5 grams of P.c.E. was
Page 48 #04 TEO May 2003 Copyrighted Material
afebrile (without fever), comfortable, and lesions as well as other symptoms gone within 16 hours. A patient given 5 gms for dental abcess, though prostrated for several hours again was afebrile and pain free, the lime-sized abcess resolving completely within 48 hours. In most cases 4-5 grams or more are given, however it has been shown that even amounts as small as 1.5 gms have been in those cases adequate. There has been no case where significant healing was not shown. Dosage requirements again are a matter for further confirmation, owing to the fact that in cases like bronchial infection or potentially septic abcess, the healer is compelled to take a better-safe-than-sorry position, hence not enough research exists yet to establish more than a patient-based educated guess with regard to prescribed dosages for specific conditions. Unlike the shittake, which has immunomodulating properties and is most commonly consumed weekly as cooked fruitbodies for therapeutic support, psilocybes are best suited for one-dose high expectation treatment – something that is also curiously enough translated in their general nature, i.e. instructions included. Patients unprepared for the potential effects of psilocybes should only be given doses of 1.5 gms and under. If it is determined that a higher dose is needed the patient must be adequately prepared for the potentially unsettling side effects. There has been reported the daily use of a single low dose of .5 gm for therapeutic support in chronic reynauds syndrome, and more conclusive information in that area may be shortly forthcoming.
Prostration during treatment with psilocybes is common, and seems to be related to the degree of severity of the infection more than the amount of the dose given. There are optimal preconditions to treatment such as fasting and hydration, however ideals are difficult to approach when immediate cases present. Under clinical conditions parenteral fluids are acceptable, especially in cases where the patient is already suffering some degree of dehydration. No other foods or medicines should be given during the first 4 hours of treatment, though this is excepted where uncomfortable nausea may be relieved by a small snack or other GI upset may be relieved with various natural or pharmaceutical medicines such as calcium carbonate or paregoric. Especially all alcohol, stimulants, tryptamines, harmalines etc. should be avoided in combination use for immunomodulation.
We extend ourselves consciously into a visible message left for us 5,500 years ago on a wall, but have we received all that our magnificent ancestor was bequeathing? The reappearance of Tassili man and his mushrooms in our culture today should be a sign for the faithful that when the human need is great the great return. The worldwide occurrence of psilocybes implies in the clearest writing that this medicine may be had forever by all who seek it. Is the current resurgence in interest one of solely religious concern? Or is the good and humble, practical mushroom also nearer us now to help us all face the things in our biological environment which must shortly, surely come?
Though the benefiting patient population for the use of psilocybes in medicine is broad, the primary concern of allergy to mushroom fruit and mycelia is it’s first parameter. Patients tolerant of mycomedicals need only be treated with the strain and dosage/regimen appropriate and there are many basic conditions for which psilocybes are the visibly appropriate choice. Many of these strains produce full fruit within four to six weeks, and flush as well or better than other gourmet species which make psilocybes, at least medically speaking, immensely economical to produce and a true "commercial" mushroom. Though some of the more potent psilocybes like P. azurescens are more difficult to rapidly produce, or possess additional characteristics like higher atropine levels in P. cyanescens, none the less they may find a place of applicability as growing research into this important area of mycomedicine becomes more available and developed. Until then – we only need to remember our benevolent ancestors and their enduring goodness left in beautiful simplicity for us in our times. No translation required.
Best Wishes Always!
Dr. Karl Buchanan is a professor of psychology and health sciences. His practice is primarily pro bona, and he has appeared professionally in medical marijuana and religious conscience cases. He currently resides on a mountain in the Ozarks and serves as senior health officer at monastery of the rose chapel.
Sources:
The Holy Bible – King James version
Dr. Richard C. Webb/Rose Chapel College -
Botany and Horticulture
Rabbi Ariel Pedersen –
Mycomedicine / Jewish tradition and history
Page 49 #04 TEO May 2003 Copyrighted Material
Thomas J. Riedlinger - "The Sacred Mushroom Seeker"
Union of Concerned Scientists -Publication "Warning to Humanity"
Centers for Disease Control –
World Health Reports The Farm/Mushroompeople and Frank – Mycoculture/Lentenula edodes
Richard Evans Shultes – "Hallucinogenic Plants"
Paul Stamets/Fungi Perfecti -"Mycomedicals"
Paul Stamets "Psilocybe Mushrooms of the World"
Paul Stamets &J.S. Chilton -"The Mushroom Cultivator", Paul Stamets -"Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms"
From "TEO: The International Journal of Psychoactive Mushrooms" / May 2003
Tassili Doctor:
The practice Of Psilocybe Medicine
By Dr. Karl D. Buchanan
While a wealth of information exists regarding modern research into the psychiatric use of the psilocybe fungi, there is relatively little of scholarly merit on their place in physical medicine. The universally accepted academic "guru" of modern psilocybes, Gordon Wasson, believed from subjective experience that psilocybes were actually deleterious to the health though he consumed them on some 24 reported occasions. What Gordon Wasson probably did not know, though his daughter Marsha, a trained nurse might, is that the symptoms he experienced which led him to believe this were the same symptoms anyone might experience in any situation where they were enduring what is medically termed as a "healing crisis". What Wasson perceived as "damage" was actually the effect of the massive purging of toxins shed into the blood and elimination systems. The body, unable to eliminate the toxins as fast as it has shed them feels discomfort, fatigue and headache. This is not disease but the symptom of healing, and is curable by adequate fluid and electrolyte intake. I suggest that subconsciously or spiritually Wasson may have suspected this, as I find it difficult to imagine such a man defying both his own instincts and intellect. The Shaman might say "His body knew it." I think it is worthy though sad to note that Gordon Wasson passed away of natural causes which as yet cannot be attached in any way to his use of psilocybes during his lifetime. We may have few documented accounts, but the ones we have are clear, and so far no evidence of harmful effects is showing. It has been shown that psilocin/psilocybin mildly irritate the gastrointestinal tract, and for that reason they are not typically used to treat GI diseases. Further research should be done in this area, though the potential negative effects while not lethal or difficult to relieve are certainly unappealing to the volunteer. Psilocybes are also unresearched and potentially deleterious in the treatment of brain tumors, brain injuries or other organicity and specifically should not be used in such cases until adequate studies of effects, risks and merit can be shown.
The most obvious place for psilocybes is in the frontline treatment of infections generally. Patients treated with P. cubensis equadorians exhibited the additional healing of any infected scratches/cuts i.e. redness before treatment entirely gone within 12 hours.
Patient with early signs of strep throat (lesions forming and discolored) treated with 1.5 grams of P.c.E. was
Page 48 #04 TEO May 2003 Copyrighted Material
afebrile (without fever), comfortable, and lesions as well as other symptoms gone within 16 hours. A patient given 5 gms for dental abcess, though prostrated for several hours again was afebrile and pain free, the lime-sized abcess resolving completely within 48 hours. In most cases 4-5 grams or more are given, however it has been shown that even amounts as small as 1.5 gms have been in those cases adequate. There has been no case where significant healing was not shown. Dosage requirements again are a matter for further confirmation, owing to the fact that in cases like bronchial infection or potentially septic abcess, the healer is compelled to take a better-safe-than-sorry position, hence not enough research exists yet to establish more than a patient-based educated guess with regard to prescribed dosages for specific conditions. Unlike the shittake, which has immunomodulating properties and is most commonly consumed weekly as cooked fruitbodies for therapeutic support, psilocybes are best suited for one-dose high expectation treatment – something that is also curiously enough translated in their general nature, i.e. instructions included. Patients unprepared for the potential effects of psilocybes should only be given doses of 1.5 gms and under. If it is determined that a higher dose is needed the patient must be adequately prepared for the potentially unsettling side effects. There has been reported the daily use of a single low dose of .5 gm for therapeutic support in chronic reynauds syndrome, and more conclusive information in that area may be shortly forthcoming.
Prostration during treatment with psilocybes is common, and seems to be related to the degree of severity of the infection more than the amount of the dose given. There are optimal preconditions to treatment such as fasting and hydration, however ideals are difficult to approach when immediate cases present. Under clinical conditions parenteral fluids are acceptable, especially in cases where the patient is already suffering some degree of dehydration. No other foods or medicines should be given during the first 4 hours of treatment, though this is excepted where uncomfortable nausea may be relieved by a small snack or other GI upset may be relieved with various natural or pharmaceutical medicines such as calcium carbonate or paregoric. Especially all alcohol, stimulants, tryptamines, harmalines etc. should be avoided in combination use for immunomodulation.
We extend ourselves consciously into a visible message left for us 5,500 years ago on a wall, but have we received all that our magnificent ancestor was bequeathing? The reappearance of Tassili man and his mushrooms in our culture today should be a sign for the faithful that when the human need is great the great return. The worldwide occurrence of psilocybes implies in the clearest writing that this medicine may be had forever by all who seek it. Is the current resurgence in interest one of solely religious concern? Or is the good and humble, practical mushroom also nearer us now to help us all face the things in our biological environment which must shortly, surely come?
Though the benefiting patient population for the use of psilocybes in medicine is broad, the primary concern of allergy to mushroom fruit and mycelia is it’s first parameter. Patients tolerant of mycomedicals need only be treated with the strain and dosage/regimen appropriate and there are many basic conditions for which psilocybes are the visibly appropriate choice. Many of these strains produce full fruit within four to six weeks, and flush as well or better than other gourmet species which make psilocybes, at least medically speaking, immensely economical to produce and a true "commercial" mushroom. Though some of the more potent psilocybes like P. azurescens are more difficult to rapidly produce, or possess additional characteristics like higher atropine levels in P. cyanescens, none the less they may find a place of applicability as growing research into this important area of mycomedicine becomes more available and developed. Until then – we only need to remember our benevolent ancestors and their enduring goodness left in beautiful simplicity for us in our times. No translation required.
Best Wishes Always!
Dr. Karl Buchanan is a professor of psychology and health sciences. His practice is primarily pro bona, and he has appeared professionally in medical marijuana and religious conscience cases. He currently resides on a mountain in the Ozarks and serves as senior health officer at monastery of the rose chapel.
Sources:
The Holy Bible – King James version
Dr. Richard C. Webb/Rose Chapel College -
Botany and Horticulture
Rabbi Ariel Pedersen –
Mycomedicine / Jewish tradition and history
Page 49 #04 TEO May 2003 Copyrighted Material
Thomas J. Riedlinger - "The Sacred Mushroom Seeker"
Union of Concerned Scientists -Publication "Warning to Humanity"
Centers for Disease Control –
World Health Reports The Farm/Mushroompeople and Frank – Mycoculture/Lentenula edodes
Richard Evans Shultes – "Hallucinogenic Plants"
Paul Stamets/Fungi Perfecti -"Mycomedicals"
Paul Stamets "Psilocybe Mushrooms of the World"
Paul Stamets &J.S. Chilton -"The Mushroom Cultivator", Paul Stamets -"Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms"