How are WHITE strains/batches REALLY made??!!!

[Luis2387]

Ive heard its the drying process implemented others say its green with stem and vein added to it, and ive also read its by combining red and green kratom... please lmk if u guys know how its made!

[K-Dawg]

Ive heard its the drying process implemented others say its green with stem and vein added to it, and ive also read its by combining red and green kratom... please lmk if u guys know how its made!

From what I understand a white is only a sun bleached green. So cure it green with little to no sunlight, then sun bleach the green-cured leaves for a few hours. Then it turns white or light tan. Would love to hear what vendors have to say.

[guitartodd77]

Very interested in the replies.

If I recall correctly, Ballz was going to reveal some alternative process used to create a fast white batch that is neither a White Vein color or mixing green and red vein leaves together.

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I have my own theories about how Whites are made. Based on what I've heard, people I know, photos I've seen, etc etc same as Gumby. I don't believe White is 1- A leaf color, 2- Made by mixing reds and greens together. So... before I reveal the secret. Anyone else? What makes a strong fast White?

[CatfatherB]

I've heard everything from vein color...drying process..blending reds with greens and adding stem. Hell, I even read on Reddit a couple of years back that Indo's blend kratom powder and matcha or green tea to make whites!?!? Truth is we may never know.

[Marcussk]

Ive heard its the drying process implemented others say its green with stem and vein added to it, and ive also read its by combining red and green kratom... please lmk if u guys know how its made!

From what I understand a white is only a sun bleached green. So cure it green with little to no sunlight, then sun bleach the green-cured leaves for a few hours. Then it turns white or light tan. Would love to hear what vendors have to say.

I think all suppliers have their own recipe for making whites and so almost every vendor you get a white strain from is going to be different. I have heard that vendors take the bones (stem and vein) and dry them in the sun and then add that to green strain (Kratom dried indoors) crumbs and then mill that together. I've heard that when they dry a batch of leaves, they separate the batch and dry different portions in different ways and then when they break it down to crumbs they take different ratios of all of those crumbs to make green, red, white and yellow so that no strain is truly 100% of any one type of strain.

Check out gumbys behind the scenes of the kratom industry if you haven't yet.
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[fusedflora]

Ive heard its the drying process implemented others say its green with stem and vein added to it, and ive also read its by combining red and green kratom... please lmk if u guys know how its made!

In my experience, it depends vendor to vendor. As indicated above and from about 60-70% of what I see from indonesian vendors, white is a drying method. Without sharing everything, it is usually dried indoors like a green and then finished in the sun.

Some Indonesians don't do it this way and consider a white just another blend of red and green. For example:



This is an example of an Indonesian mix chart. This particular vendor really only has 2 drying methods, red and green, and develops all their strains based on the mixes of these 2. Though seeing only 2 here, mixing charts like this are common, however most Indonesians have the 3 drying methods. The really good ones have perfected fermenting to make 6, a fermented green making a gold, a fermented white a yellow, and a fully fermented red achieving a bentuangie.

What amazes me is when someone mixes a Thai with a Bali and is like "Wow greatest blend ever!", when in reality all they made was roughly a "vein strain." You should ask your vendors exactly how their strains are made to know for sure, as true Malay, Thai, and Vietnam strains are very rare. Kratom doesn't grow on Bali, so it is typically a blend as well.

[BallzDeep9]

If I recall correctly, Ballz was going to reveal some alternative process used to create a fast white batch that is neither a White Vein color or mixing green and red vein leaves together.

We have learned that "strains & veins" is BS, colors and batches are real. Every batch is unique! 95% of leaves are Red vein picked off the tree, but leaf color is green.. Fresh green leaves are made Super Green by careful indoor drying.. Red powder is produced by various sun drying/ oxidizing/ fermenting techniques.

Color. Not strains and veins.. Start with the color green, 'cuz thats what leaves are. Green! So.. Fresh green leaf powder, can be easily turned red. Try a science experiment - Pour some green powder on a plate. Allow to sit in direct hot sunshine, for a day or 2. What happens? Red! Sun "bleaching" turns green powder.. reddish tan in color.

OK, what makes a White? Since there are really no white vein trees or leaves.. And oxidized leaf turns a reddish tan color.. There is only ONE other explanation for White. Process of elimination. Of course I've never been to Borneo. I obviously can't "prove" anything by Lab Testing since it would cost TONS of money for that... Additives. A common additive to make a White, is bones.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[The Relaxed Guy]

Wait what? White kratom isn’t just the color of the vein?

I could have sworn red, white and green were all vein colors. And that yellows and golds were still one of those 3, just dried differently.

[Marcussk]

Wait what? White kratom isn’t just the color of the vein?

I could have sworn red, white and green were all vein colors. And that yellows and golds were still one of those 3, just dried differently.

Almost all kratom has red veins, like 99% I think. The ones with green veins are usually really young leaves. It's all about the drying process man.

[GrannyJ62]

Check out gumbyke1 s post it explains z lot.Prepare to be educated.

[pray4peace4]

Just 2 weeks ago a guy in r/kratom who's been to Indonesia researching the industry posted an explanation of all things kratom, including how whites are made. He said white strains are ones with "bones" in it. Typically the veins are separated from the "crumbs", or the meat of the leaf. They are ground up & added to powdered kratom to make white strains. He had a photo of a gallon ziploc filled up with almost pure white kratom & said that's pure bones. I was wondering at the time if he was Mr. gumby, but it was clear he wasn't. Is it true? Heck, I don't know, but it's the first believable version I've heard about the subject. And what the guy said fit in really well with what gumby wrote in our forum.

[Jada1472]

Ive heard its the drying process implemented others say its green with stem and vein added to it, and ive also read its by combining red and green kratom... please lmk if u guys know how its made!

In my experience, it depends vendor to vendor. As indicated above and from about 60-70% of what I see from indonesian vendors, white is a drying method. Without sharing everything, it is usually dried indoors like a green and then finished in the sun.

Some Indonesians don't do it this way and consider a white just another blend of red and green. For example:



This is an example of an Indonesian mix chart. This particular vendor really only has 2 drying methods, red and green, and develops all their strains based on the mixes of these 2. Though seeing only 2 here, mixing charts like this are common, however most Indonesians have the 3 drying methods. The really good ones have perfected fermenting to make 6, a fermented green making a gold, a fermented white a yellow, and a fully fermented red achieving a bentuangie.

What amazes me is when someone mixes a Thai with a Bali and is like "Wow greatest blend ever!", when in reality all they made was roughly a "vein strain." You should ask your vendors exactly how their strains are made to know for sure, as true Malay, Thai, and Vietnam strains are very rare. Kratom doesn't grow on Bali, so it is typically a blend as well.

Thanks for sharing this information. I knew a lot of this was happening but I’ve never seen it laid out like this with a chart from a vendor. While I understand this is just one example, it makes it much more tangible.

[guitartodd77]

Wondering now if the chart is what a couple of vendors on MeWe where referring to when they stated that their supplier trusts them with the "Base" batch. My theory is that they just blend it themselves. It would explain why so very few have good, fast White batches.

[fusedflora]

Just 2 weeks ago a guy in r/kratom who's been to Indonesia researching the industry posted an explanation of all things kratom, including how whites are made. He said white strains are ones with "bones" in it. Typically the veins are separated from the "crumbs", or the meat of the leaf. They are ground up & added to powdered kratom to make white strains. He had a photo of a gallon ziploc filled up with almost pure white kratom & said that's pure bones. I was wondering at the time if he was Mr. gumby, but it was clear he wasn't. Is it true? Heck, I don't know, but it's the first believable version I've heard about the subject. And what the guy said fit in really well with what gumby wrote in our forum.

There's quite a few folks that have been to Indonesia here on Double M. I'd advise that what I've seen is different from supplier to supplier. While I would agree, this is one method of using the "bones", it is not what I've seen most of the time to make whites. I'd be interested if his/her experience was just with one farm/production or a few. Perhaps an Indonesian here on Double M could shed more light on their thoughts.

I would say that most suppliers, will separate the larger stem, but they usually don't pull off most the veins from the leaves. For example, below is a picture of crushed leaf Green Maeng Da sample I received just last week. I try to get crushed leaf samples of each of samples from Indonesians to compare the quality of what they're using before the grinding and how well they sieve before grinding. In the picture, you can easily see the lighter, string looking parts, "the bones." While one could add more "bones" to achieve a lighter color, the next picture is the Green Maeng Da compared to White Maeng Da they sent. Notice the color of the leafy part is different, and it has about the same amount of "bones," as the green. This is what I tend to see with most whites/greens.

Again, I believe the guy on reddit and Ballz comments, and absolutely have seen this to be the case in some instances, just don't think it's widespread on how to make whites.

[7ohm]

Thailand, where Kratom originates only recognizes one strain and 2 types of Kratom. The vein color model is totally false.

Nothing matters except how much sun is received (oxidation) during curing which yields just 2 types: red (sun dried) and green (shade dried) . The idea of the vein color yielding a different alkaloid profile is completely incorrect. Somebody made that up in an attempt to categorize the effects of the various blends of Kratom.

My personal research with Kratom indicates that there are actually only 2 types of Kratom, possibly 3-4. Everyone in Indonesia is completely clueless and full of shit. They had a "gold rush" as the popularity of Kratom has soared in the US. Misinformation during this boom has been crazy. It's as if they're just making shit up as they go. All of these new strains are nothing more than blends of red and green leaf. I will argue that the element of stimulation is produced by a variable not controlled by farmers. ie some are just faster than others. Finding faster strains is nothing more than trial and error and cannot be controlled. Here's more on it from reddit (referenced above) https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comment ... ersonally/ and 7ohm.com https://www.7ohm.info/2017/06/what-effe ... -have.html