Freeze and Filter: your Green Alkaloid Smoothie!

Post by **swablero** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:03 pm

You guys have elevated this process to an art form.

Whats the best way to drink it when its done? You have to defrost it right.

I know you\re always making smoothies Ballz?

Post by **beathappening** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:01 pm

I'm still a freezing newbie, but what has worked the best so far is filling a large container/kitchen sink half full with hot water, and letting the frozen container sit in it for half an hour or so. The hot water cools off kinda quick so it helps to add more halfway through. I don't have a microwave but I'm not sure I'd use it for this anyway.

Post by **acejestyr15** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:54 pm

beathappening wrote:I'm still a freezing newbie, but what has worked the best so far is filling a large container/kitchen sink half full with hot water, and letting the frozen container sit in it for half an hour or so. The hot water cools off kinda quick so it helps to add more halfway through. I don't have a microwave but I'm not sure I'd use it for this anyway.

This is kinda like how I've been doing it last couple months. I just fill a medium size saucepan with super hot water and sit my frozen cup in the center while also filling the cup/jar the rest of the way with boiled water. Works great! I don't like to use microwaves unless absolutely necessary.... And microwaving my kratom.just isn't all that appealing to me.

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:44 pm

I just fill a medium size saucepan with super hot water and sit my frozen cup in the center while also filling the cup/jar the rest of the way with boiled water. Works great!

Yep, same here.. I ALWAYS have 2-3 or more, ready in the freezer. Kratom for me, is always working around meals and activity, so usually my MAIN dose is 2 hours after breakfast. So.. I'll put a large cereal bowl in the sink. Fill with Hot tap water, put my frozen dose in there & allow to thaw.. Does take a couple hours just sitting there. You can thaw it faster, by constantly changing the hot water. Sometimes... I'm up middle of night for a piss.. Go into kitchen & grab 1 from the freezer, throw into sink as above. It's READY when I wake up, a few hours later!

This Freezer Method works GREAT for those who take 1 to 3 doses Per Day... That 1st of the morning, hits very hard & lasts for hours assuming it's quality Leaf.. Especially, the Smoothie mixed w/ Liquid Vitamins etc. that's my #1 Power Dose of the Day! But... this Method probably won't work AS good, for those who constantly dose every 2 hours ? Just sayin'

I guess I take kratom, like "Coffee On Steroids",

and with Vitamins and potentiators like Golden Milk, Turmeric, etc.. its a HUGE rush and gets me through the entire day! I'm usually ready for a 2nd Dose later, early evening, but thats more like a booster.. Never as strong as that BIG morning shot. I also drink STRONG coffee, brew my own, and or Starbucks Dark Roast daily.

Very often my Evening dose, is not frozen. I keep Cold Brew Kratom Tea in the fridge, so MIX up a Kratom Mocha with (1) Cold Brew (2) Powder Kratom (3) Extract! Recipe: Pour boiling water over powder & extract to prep. Cool in sink 15 min. Add Tea, Chocolate syrup, and a squirt of Mocha MiO, AND.. (here's the kicker) A Shot of Co2 Liquid Cannabis!!

Taste is yummy, I'm ready to rock some guitar, chill online or watch TV. Gets me through the Evening!

Post by **beathappening** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:57 pm

Can you leave it in the freezer too long? I'd figure a couple days would be okay, but I don't know, maybe freezer burn or some other unforseen consequence of that environment could be a factor. I know if you leave ice cubes in a tray in too long, they start evaporating and shrinking, though that does take awhile.

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:58 am

beathappening wrote:Can you leave it in the freezer too long? I'd figure a couple days would be okay,

Sure a couple 2-3 days is fine.. That's where the Baking Soda comes in, to neutralize the Acetic Acid (or Citric). You don't want the alkaloids loose floating in acidic pH for hours, or days, there's a scientific paper around on that subject.. Acid is great for maybe 1 hour, breaks down raw plant matter and "frees up" the alks.. So all the stuff posted on Reddit, in regard to Lemon Juice, are fine as long as you consume it right away. But STORING the mix in Acid, even 8+ hours required for Red Bubble.. is where I'd be concerned about pH.

I still say this ACV is doing something to the sludge.. Even after correcting the pH w/ baking soda.. Next day I thaw & filter and there's hardly any dirt or sandy sludge. When I was using Citric acid, a bunch would always remain in the Filter. So I experimented with (read above) saving/ re-cycling the "excess" sludge.. I still think a Filter is good, but in TWO years of filtering my powder daily... Only once did I find a hair!

Anyway it may be time for new pic's or Video even..

Post by **acejestyr15** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:22 pm

BallzDeep9 wrote:
beathappening wrote:Can you leave it in the freezer too long? I'd figure a couple days would be okay,
Sure a couple 2-3 days is fine.. That's where the Baking Soda comes in, to neutralize the Acetic Acid (or Citric). You don't want the alkaloids loose floating in acidic pH for hours, or days, there's a scientific paper around on that subject.. Acid is great for maybe 1 hour, breaks down raw plant matter and "frees up" the alks.. So all the stuff posted on Reddit, in regard to Lemon Juice, are fine as long as you consume it right away. But STORING the mix in Acid, even 8+ hours required for Red Bubble.. is where I'd be concerned about pH.

I still say this ACV is doing something to the sludge.. Even after correcting the pH w/ baking soda.. Next day I thaw & filter and there's hardly any dirt or sandy sludge. When I was using Citric acid, a bunch would always remain in the Filter. So I experimented with (read above) saving/ re-cycling the "excess" sludge.. I still think a Filter is good, but in TWO years of filtering my powder daily... Only once did I find a hair! Anyway it may be time for new pic's or Video even..

I typically have anywhere between 3 and 5 jars in my freezer.... Due to this sometimes 1 or 2 of them won't get used for awhile cuz don't want that strain/blend at the time. The longest I think I have had a jar left in the freezer is a week and a half give or take and haven't noticed any differences or degradation in potency and such from the longer freezer time. I could be wrong, could have gotten lucky, or maybe even placebo who knows but just thought I'd share!

Post by **beathappening** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:28 pm

Another question,
Does the color and size of the bubble in any way indicate potency? That would be nice to have an objective way to gauge how good the kratom is, since my tolerance and body chemistry can alter its effects, compared to other people.

Post by **acejestyr15** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:13 pm

beathappening wrote:Another question,
Does the color and size of the bubble in any way indicate potency? That would be nice to have an objective way to gauge how good the kratom is, since my tolerance and body chemistry can alter its effects, compared to other people.

Some people including Ballzdeep say that bubble redness and size do corilate to potency, but I personally have found it to bot necessary be true from my experience. I will say, that the nice big red bubble is just about always very potent, but there have been plenty of times where the bubble wasn't huge nor very red if red at all. Seems to me that the color and bubble is subject to the specific alkaloid profile of that strain and or blend being used. But, that's just my take and even partially assumption based off my experiences. I am sure BD and others will chime in with opinions and or some facts sooner than later as well....

Post by **instantKARMA** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:56 am

acejestyr15 wrote:
beathappening wrote:Another question,
Does the color and size of the bubble in any way indicate potency? That would be nice to have an objective way to gauge how good the kratom is, since my tolerance and body chemistry can alter its effects, compared to other people.
Some people including Ballzdeep say that bubble redness and size do corilate to potency, but I personally have found it to bot necessary be true from my experience. I will say, that the nice big red bubble is just about always very potent, but there have been plenty of times where the bubble wasn't huge nor very red if red at all. Seems to me that the color and bubble is subject to the specific alkaloid profile of that strain and or blend being used. But, that's just my take and even partially assumption based off my experiences. I am sure BD and others will chime in with opinions and or some facts sooner than later as well....

Just wondering, do you consistently get the same results with the exact same strains using the exact same "formula" every time? Mine seem to vary from a really nice Red to a more Amber like Red for the exact same mixes!

Post by **acejestyr15** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:45 am

instantKARMA wrote:
acejestyr15 wrote:
beathappening wrote:Another question,
Does the color and size of the bubble in any way indicate potency? That would be nice to have an objective way to gauge how good the kratom is, since my tolerance and body chemistry can alter its effects, compared to other people.
Some people including Ballzdeep say that bubble redness and size do corilate to potency, but I personally have found it to bot necessary be true from my experience. I will say, that the nice big red bubble is just about always very potent, but there have been plenty of times where the bubble wasn't huge nor very red if red at all. Seems to me that the color and bubble is subject to the specific alkaloid profile of that strain and or blend being used. But, that's just my take and even partially assumption based off my experiences. I am sure BD and others will chime in with opinions and or some facts sooner than later as well....
Just wondering, do you consistently get the same results with the exact same strains using the exact same "formula" every time? Mine seem to vary from a really nice Red to a more Amber like Red for the exact same mixes!

Honestly, that's a tough question to answer, well at least for me. I almost always try different blends, mixing vendors, strains, amounts, and etc.... But my few tried and true go too always seem to be relatively the same. Also, it would seem to me that even if you use the same methods that certain parts of that formula are not always going to be completely exact such as measuring of citric acid of sorts, or ACV, temp and even amount of liquid used, period of time mixture is steeped as well as left in the freezer in mine and some other individuals case. Orrrrr maybe I'm over thinking it idk

Post by **instantKARMA** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:32 pm

acejestyr15 wrote:

Just wondering, do you consistently get the same results with the exact same strains using the exact same "formula" every time? Mine seem to vary from a really nice Red to a more Amber like Red for the exact same mixes![/quote]

Honestly, that's a tough question to answer, well at least for me. I almost always try different blends, mixing vendors, strains, amounts, and etc.... But my few tried and true go too always seem to be relatively the same. Also, it would seem to me that even if you use the same methods that certain parts of that formula are not always going to be completely exact such as measuring of citric acid of sorts, or ACV, temp and even amount of liquid used, period of time mixture is steeped as well as left in the freezer in mine and some other individuals case. Orrrrr maybe I'm over thinking it idk

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haha...I totally understand the overthinking part. It seems that kratom has that effect! I suppose the
next few times I do this technique, I'm really gonna have to keep all things totally equal just to find
out...amounts, substances and time spent both steeping and freezing. I never gave much thought to
the length of time steeped, and in the freezer. Now you have me overthinking again!

Post by **KratmFit** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:21 am

Alright, I took copious screenshots of this method (thx Mr. Ballz). The only thing I wasn’t 100% clear on was the thawing, filtering, & exactly what was consumed afterwards. Trying this today. My frozen bronze bubble (thx to ACV) is now thawing on the grilltop in a pan of boiling water. I’ll report back exactly how I did this and the end result. I may even figure out how to post my photos here

Post by **beathappening** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:09 pm

You don't necessarily have to filter if you don't want to and don't mind the plant matter. Personally I thaw and mix it with oj like usual and drink it all.

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:23 pm

KratmFit wrote:The only thing I wasn’t 100% clear on was the thawing, filtering, & exactly what was consumed afterwards.

yeah I'm working on a new Red Bubble Tutorial, with photos .. Some of this HAS been improved. Most of the stuff about recycling sludge, no longer applies with ACV! I thaw overnight, and pour right through my Filter .. shake it around & theres very little sludge trapped in the filter. I do think the ACV, Acetic Acid has liquified small particles. Here I'm pouring my frozen thawed kratom, from the coffee cup, through my Filter: into a 16-oz beer glass:

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:34 pm

Of course, A stainless steel, Tea Infuser, Filter is still good to have .. Kratom is raw powdered leaves from Kapuas River

So I still want to catch any possible foreign matter. Now.. I gotta say.. I buy quality kratom and there has been very, very, few times its caught anything. BUT! You can also use the Filter, for straining Hot Tea made with Crushed Leaf and powder!! Here's photo, of the Filter showing almost nothing left in the bottom. A few grains of sand. Rinse it out .. Mix your Smoothie! Add sugar, frozen OJ, squirt of MiO flavor

plus vitamins and magnesium... BOOM!

Post by **KratmFit** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:04 pm

Thank you SO MUCH Mr. Ballz for the updates. I ordered my tea filter, hand-held frother, & glass jars from Amazon last night.

As for my update on my first batch; I poured off the liquid part after thawing. There was some sludge in the bottom that I tossed (in the garbage). I ended up adding some Stevia and drinking the liquid only pour off like tea. Not bad on taste. I’d definitely like to add some potentiators. Not sure I did it correct since there was a lot of sludge left. The ACV didn’t dissolve mine

I swear I studied your notes like I was going to be given a pop quiz. I put two more batches in the fridge to try again. I have a juicer so I’m thinking I can get really creative with this.

Post by **KratmFit** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:13 pm

Alright, I’m onto my 2nd batch of “Kratom Smoothie”. I prepared my frozen Kratom exactly as instructed and froze it for 8hrs. Thawed it in a mug inside a boiling pan of water. I filtered the mixture through a cheesecloth as my tea filter is still en route from Amazon. No idea how I came to own cheesecloth but I randomly found it in the pantry.

Currently sipping the liquid portion of what I prepared w/some Stevia. I didn’t go “Ballz Deep” and turn it into an actual fruit smoothie (see what I did there?

Mixing Kratom with food kind of throws me off. I can see liquid potentiators like grapefruit juice and what not but didn’t want to have food in my stomach with Kratom.

Now it gets interesting. I prepared my Kratom Smoothie w/some green bali from Precious Mitre. I found what looks like a leaf and then 4 unidentifiable things that look like A) parts of the leaf or B) broken down rice. The green Bali was not advertised as stem & vein. It’s powdered Kratom. This experiment has me wanting to now strain ALL my Kratom. I’m sitting here still drinking it staring at the weird little pieces of (leaf?) whatever next to me. Obviously it didn’t scare me off that bad so I don’t want anyone to panic. More intrigued than anything. How did I miss that large chunk of leaf in the bag? Is it a leaf? I’ve sniffed it, scratched it, held it. Basically all the things a monkey may do when given a new tool.

I took pics of my whole process including my finds at the end. My next step is to figure out how to post photos on here so you guys can see and possibly identify these bits.

I’m definitely making more tea this way! Onto the next round with a different strain.

Post by **beathappening** » Wed May 01, 2019 12:06 pm

Here's my latest good one. Theres no filter...the overhead light gives it that weird glow. The part on the right turned pretty red.

Been trying all sorts of strains. This one is Sosa red sunda

Post by **beathappening** » Sat May 11, 2019 7:23 pm

So I've been getting decent results with water only...the lemon juice hasn't seemed to make a noticeable difference, in either appearance or effect, so I went out and bought some Bragg's and baking soda to experiment with. Looking forward to upping my bubble game.

I don't have a filter, so I've been pouring the thawed mixture into a cup and putting it in the fridge for a few hours. All the kratom silt settles to the bottom and you can pour a good majority of the amber alkaloid liquid off, and discard the waste after. I'm not sure if I'm wasting much, I'm ok with a little...I just can't thaw and drink the whole mixture anymore, it's vile. I usually mix fresh kratom with juice and drink it and that's fine, but for some reason after freezing and thawing it just gets completely disgusting.

Post by **NLK316** » Wed May 29, 2019 12:47 am

Is filtering the frozen product absolutely needed? Also, best easy way to take the end result? Best things to mix with the finished product? I know how to make it, but thats about it. I hate the smell/flavor.

Post by **beathappening** » Wed May 29, 2019 8:04 am

I don't think you have to filter it. You can mix it up after thawing and drink it straight. I'm not big on smoothies or anything, but I find if after you thaw it out, leave it in the fridge and get it really cold, it's easier to drink when cold. Best thing to do is slam it and immediately chase it with citrus fruit juice. I find sunny d/orange juice to be the best to get the taste out of your mouth. Or you can mix some fruit juice (a little lemon juice works well) in the product to make it slightly easier, but you'll just have to drink more of it, basically prolonging the nastiness.

To filter, sometimes I let it sit in the fridge for a few hours to let the silt settle, and pour off the alkaloid rich water (basically tea), then carefully filter the rest through a coffee filter. Using some apple cider vinegar during the freezing makes the resulting tea rather easy to drink, just don't use too much. I drink it plain but I imagine sugar or fruit juice may make it more palatable.

Just what I usually do.

Post by **acejestyr15** » Wed May 29, 2019 8:09 am

beathappening wrote:I don't think you have to filter it. You can mix it up after thawing and drink it straight. I'm not big on smoothies or anything, but I find if after you thaw it out, leave it in the fridge and get it really cold, it's easier to drink when cold. Best thing to do is slam it and immediately chase it with citrus fruit juice. I find sunny d/orange juice to be the best to get the taste out of your mouth. Or you can mix some fruit juice (a little lemon juice works well) in the product to make it slightly easier, but you'll just have to drink more of it, basically prolonging the nastiness.

To filter, sometimes I let it sit in the fridge for a few hours to let the silt settle, and pour off the alkaloid rich water (basically tea), then carefully filter the rest through a coffee filter. Using some apple cider vinegar during the freezing makes the resulting tea rather easy to drink, just don't use too much. I drink it plain but I imagine sugar or fruit juice may make it more palatable.

Just what I usually do.

Once again, me and beathappening on the same exact page!!! I freeze every single dose now for many months using a little citric acid/lemon juice as well as some ACV.... I don't personally filter anything out as I find I get better results still consuming the plant matter. Also, the ACV sometimes tends to breakdown/melt away some of the plant matter which helps make it easier to drink. The only thing different about my method is that I prefer to thaw with boiled water so that it heats up the dose which helps to melt things down as well as I feel it is easier to drink slightly on the hotter side rather than cold.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if ya want to talk about more details or have any questions or anything.... Good luck!

Post by **NLK316** » Wed May 29, 2019 9:40 am

Thanks for the info. Looks like I'm have to just chug it fast because there's no way this chick can savor that flavor! Just made a mix of BB PMD12 & BB wjk w/ ACV. We'll see how it turns out tonight!

Post by **matt11** » Wed May 29, 2019 11:13 am

that smoothie looks delicious! thanks for sharing, one day ill have to try this.

Post by **acejestyr15** » Wed May 29, 2019 7:03 pm

NLK316 wrote:Thanks for the info. Looks like I'm have to just chug it fast because there's no way this chick can savor that flavor! Just made a mix of BB PMD12 & BB wjk w/ ACV. We'll see how it turns out tonight!

Edit your post or make a new one and let us know your feelings on your frozen dose please!!

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Wed May 29, 2019 7:23 pm

NLK316 wrote:Is filtering the frozen product absolutely needed? Also, best easy way to take the end result? Best things to mix with the finished product?

1. Filtering has become a safety thing, I get very little now using ACV in boiled water.. Almost nothing in my Filter after thawing.
2. Cold Smoothie is the Best way to take kratom. Sorry but Hot Tea only makes it taste worse!
3. Best Mix? Try this - 1 Tsp powder Tang, 1 Tsp frozen OJ, 1 squirt of MiO Sweet Tea water flavoring! U Gotta try the MiO

I also add powder Vitamin C, and liquid Multi vitamins - makes a strong kratom vitamin Cocktail. BOOM!

Post by **Natureliza** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:45 am

I do love smoothies and I'd like to share with you my favorite one. It contains coffee, banana and it's iced!
So, we need some milk (we may use coconut milk also), a mixer, a coffee maker for make a small cup of espresso (or you may add some ground coffee in your smoothie), we need some frozen banana or ice, also I like to use vanilla extract, BUT not sugar! Pour all the ingredients in the mixer and mix a bit. It's ready. Enjoy your smoothie.

Post by **GrannyJ62** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:06 pm

Thanks so .much for sharing.The best red bubble recipe EVER

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:35 pm

Natureliza wrote:... a coffee maker for make a small cup of espresso (or you may add some ground coffee in your smoothie) ,..

hey thanks Natureliza for the kool recipe & digging up this thread! Yes definitely a chocoloate coffee mix, iced, works great for kratom & nice change from lemony citrus flavor.. I have a Aeropress it makes almost espresso (not the real thing, but pretty close

lol) I'd add some Hersheys chocolate syrup!

Granny I'm working on a new Blog site, to have lots of pic's and recipe's for Red Bubble Tea. Coming soon!!

Post by **Greyfeather** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:32 pm

Just fabulous Ballz!

Reading you (and the replies) is going to be so enjoyable and enlightening

Thanks for all of your work (AND your enthusaism).

Post by **beathappening** » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:18 am

Glad this thread got bumped. I seen many like it pop up but this one was always the best. (Except the ones tnat show my red bubbles, especially the RVA white big bang from 2018.that is!

)

Post by **My4girlsand1boy** » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:16 am

BallzDeep9 wrote:Now I wanna get into mixing the Smoothie - Added ingredients you're gonna MIX with that kratom Alkaloid Juice - Here's one pic showing some basics .. From left to right: drinkable Yogurt. Pina Colada .. Bodytech liquid Protein .. Tropical Oasis Mega liquid vitamin .. Kroger 100% Lemon juice .. Natural Vitality liquid Magnesium, Osteo Calm .. frozen Pineapple Juice .. more Yogurt. plate w/ crystallized Ginger, Chimes, and Splenda. ALL this stuff may, or may not be used to potentiate and flavor your Smoothie!

@BallzDeep9 - I saw in “off topic” under the vitamin and supplements thread that you use a vitamin stack. I wanted to ask, do you use the vitamin stack in this smoothie as well. I want to follow your Kratom smoothie recipe step by step, but I want to add vitamins in there as well. I’m going to go on Amazon and buy everything. I need to start taking care of myself and adding vitamins to my Kratom smoothie for my morning dose sounds like a great idea. I look forward to hearing back from you

Post by **GrannyJ62** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:21 pm

Whoo hoo I love red bubbles Ballz your the Master

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:51 pm

My4girlsand1boy wrote:I’m going to go on Amazon and buy everything. I need to start taking care of myself and adding vitamins to my Kratom smoothie for my morning dose sounds like a great idea. I look forward to hearing back from you

Hi My4girls1boy, yes I still enjoy the liquid Multi vitamins - Tropical Oasis brand. Search on Amazon, they make several kinds. I have compared & they really are the best for reasonable price. Liquid multi's don't exactly taste good lol

But just add a tiny shot of that MiO water flavoring stuff, see pic above... Yep still doing Red Bubble Tea, more and more I make several days' batch of Tea - crushed leaf or powder, recipes on the Blog soon, stay tuned!

I've gone through a dozen bottles of THIS = Tropical Oasis! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JZWL30/

Post by **My4girlsand1boy** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:09 am

BallzDeep9 wrote:
My4girlsand1boy wrote:I’m going to go on Amazon and buy everything. I need to start taking care of myself and adding vitamins to my Kratom smoothie for my morning dose sounds like a great idea. I look forward to hearing back from you
Hi My4girls1boy, yes I still enjoy the liquid Multi vitamins - Tropical Oasis brand. Search on Amazon, they make several kinds. I have compared & they really are the best for reasonable price. Liquid multi's don't exactly taste good lol But just add a tiny shot of that MiO water flavoring stuff, see pic above... Yep still doing Red Bubble Tea, more and more I make several days' batch of Tea - crushed leaf or powder, recipes on the Blog soon, stay tuned!

I've gone through a dozen bottles of THIS = Tropical Oasis! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JZWL30/

Thank you for replying ! I will definitely stay tuned for the recipe. Can’t wait!

Post by **BDP** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:52 am

Super appreciative of this info! Question: So I've heard conflicting info whether or not to use boiling water vs pre boiling. Does boiling water kill any alkaloids? Does anyone know the science behind it to confirm?

Post by **KurtisCards** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:50 pm

BDP wrote:Super appreciative of this info! Question: So I've heard conflicting info whether or not to use boiling water vs pre boiling. Does boiling water kill any alkaloids? Does anyone know the science behind it to confirm?

there is a study somewhere saying that the heat required to kill alkaloids is like super high, boiling water doesn't get that hot.

There was also a study saying that lemon juice destroys alks too, but if i take kratom without lemon juice i don't feel it so......

Post by **BDP** » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:27 pm

Super pumped as I wait for my FIRST EVER red bubble cup of 30 year wild TFH I just received! Question: My usual dose is between 3.1-3.4 (toss&wash). Any less, I don't feel a thing and any more, I am not enjoying it and is too much. This method, as stated, requires a minimum of 4g. Do I consume the whole thing?

Post by **acejestyr15** » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:24 pm

BDP wrote:Super pumped as I wait for my FIRST EVER red bubble cup of 30 year wild TFH I just received! Question: My usual dose is between 3.1-3.4 (toss&wash). Any less, I don't feel a thing and any more, I am not enjoying it and is too much. This method, as stated, requires a minimum of 4g. Do I consume the whole thing?

I would suggest to maybe try drinking 3/4 of it... And see where you end up in about 30 to 60 minutes. Then, if not where you would like to be drink the rest