Thoughts on phenibut?

[gravystainonmyshirt]

Second day that i have tried it. It is actually really good for sleep. I take about a gram and a half and im out like a “term that means out” . I get some super chill euphoria that rolls into some super nodded tv watching and wake up a few hours later sprawled out wherever i decided to watch tv at. Maybe lay on the couch or something comfortable because i nodded out on a chair that isnt the best and woke up with a kink. I really like it, but i can see how it can become addicting. I did it the day before yesterday and today so i wont be doing it for about a week or 5 days. Overall phenibut is some pretty amazing legal substance you can take, you do need to dose about a gram and a half to get “high” though.

[mivanqua]

I didn’t want to respond to this but hey,
Heres MY two cents...

Fuck No.
Why bother risk it?

1. I have an Addictive Personality

2. I (used to)* be Addicted to Alcohol and Benzodiazepines -(Clonazepam/Klonopin)
That was a little over a year ago!

3. I’m still Not the same. I don’t want to Fuck with my GABA receptors anymore and already from daily benzo and alcohol abuse for years without even realizing wtf I’m actually doing to my brain and the people around me, combining the two I not only almost ended up dead and or in jail (for longer than I actually was), I got lucky!
Im still SUPER awkward or at least I Feel that way.*
Something is off with me. My Anxiety is still not the same
Go figure I was fucking w/ my brain for 3-4 yrs daily of course it’ll take time to balance myself out again.
My Social skills are lacking and at the end of my addictions last year I was seriously considering ending my own life pretty much every single day. It was an extremely Dark time for me. But here I am and I am alive and life is actually getting better.

Thanks to Kratom I can manage my Anxiety and my Depression, OCD, and ADHD.

Some might be wondering what this story has to do with this topic.
The moral of the story is I am extremely lucky to be where I am now and every day I work on my Mental Health because of it!
I wasn’t aware of what I was doing at the time till the very end due to the fact of being dependent and my Dr. continuing to fill my script!
WHY Play with fire??

If you want to have fun TAKE some Adderall!
If you’re curious, there are plentiful things out there much less detrimental to your health and others!

I Emphasize this because it makes me fkn Sad every day that people go ahead and think its NBD but in reality IT IS A B!G Deal!

Gabapentin is fycking CRAP.
From experience abusing my OWN GABA-A receptors I can tell you its Not worth it!
So, please don’t think your GABA-B receptors are Any Different.

Our brain is much more fragile than some choose to believe.


Of course you are you
I am me.
You can grab some and test the waters.

I’m just a fellow community member hoping you don’t go down a potentially dark path.
It is all a deception.

God Bless You.
Choose wisely.

And we love you for it, Pay...I abused xanax HEAVILY about SIX years ago and I feel extremely socially awkward and I never knew why until now. My ex gets a ton of 600 mg gaba a month and abuses the hell out of them for a week or so and in that time I generally take 9 with her on a weekend night. I've found that burnt feeling lasts for days and feeling like that at work could get me really hurt or killed or something. Its just that gaba and kratom go great together. By day three she's taking TWENTY 600 mg gabas to get a buzz and that is just NUTS!

[demafrost]

Here is one thing I’ve experienced with Phenibut that I didn’t see mentioned on here: rebound anhedonia for literally 3-5 days after taking. This is with a year of responsible use (literally never more than 1x a week and almost never more than 2g). It started creeping up on me. At first I thought I was just going through a down period of my life, then I thought it was the kratom (even though I was only taking it 2x a week And never on same day as kratom). But after awhile I was able to time it to my Phenibut use. Day 1 is fine, day 2 I have no motivation, days 3-4 are the worst where I have no motivation and feel a lack of joy for things. My productivity at work suffers. Day 5 it’s getting better but sometimes still there. Day 6 I’m always fine. I played around with frequency...went down to once every 2-3 weeks. Played around with dosage...as little as 500mg. No matter what I couldnt avoid it. So I quit.

Kratom helped this a lot but again I don’t take it every day.

[franklin]

Phenibut is a creeping monster. If you have great self control and not too much anxiety, you should be fine. Having anxiety and phenibut pretty much COMPLETELY eliminating it just shows how extremely good it is. Then you think you can keep taking it and before you know it you're taking it daily. I was fine for like 4 months doing that then we had a snow storm and couldn't get my Phen for 4 days. Hellish withdrawals. I seriously was lying in bed shaking, couldn't eat, skin was crawling my whole body, felt like my brain was mush so I couldn't think at all. Once I received it, I forced myself to taper off of it. Took me 81 days and I was completely off. I still have some and I took it a month ago because I had to go to a funeral and see family members I hadn't seen in years, I thought it was appropiate. It worked, of course, but then I noticed the rebound anxiety.. THAT'S why you want to keep taking it, the god damn rebound. So I've been good since. Only very special occasions, but I don't want to meet the beast ever again. I'm good with kratom and the occasional alcohol.

[herbalhippie]

My first post on this thread was the advice to stay away from the stuff. But after seeing the info that baclofen was only one molecule different from Phenibut and very similar, I got curious to see how they compared and ordered some. I actually ordered it many weeks ago and just tucked it away without trying it.

Got it out yesterday afternoon after lunch and took two capsules (500 mg). First off, two was too much for me and made me feel a little queasy, just like Ativan or Xanax or whatever it was has sometimes on the rare occasions I've been prescribed a few for extreme stress. I'm not a fan of benzos and to me, that's pretty much what phenibut feels like. I see where it would be a handy thing to have when I have an episode of extreme stress though and I might even use it for that. But only one capsule.

By extreme stress I mean a one time/one day thing. A rare occasion.

Also, phenibut feels nothing like baclofen. I was a bit surprised by this. It also amazes me that this stuff is sold as a supplement and anyone can order it. Not a good thing in my opinion.

[herbalhippie]

Also, there's a little side effect that I'm kind of surprised I have seen mentioned here.

Lower abdominal cramps and diarrhea. For me it was pretty bad, painful. I thought it might be the moringa I took for the first time the same day, but nope. Went and found the phenibut sub on Reddit and saw it's a common side effect.

Just another good reason to not take the stuff or to take it only very rarely. Because that was BAD.

[FartBlaster]

Don't do this stuff. It's hella addictive with nasty WD. I had a friend who took this for only two months and ended up in the ICU with delirium tremens. Definitely not a safe drug. Anything benzo type is very addictive but this shit is more addictive than Xanax and hooks you really fast.

[Nic]

I feel I have an obligation to chime in about phenibut. I have been down the road of looking for a legal substance to kill anxiety some pain and have some recreation without failing a drug test. Phenibut is what I came upon first. First off, if you have any kind of an addictive personality like me, be very careful. I have experimented with about everything in the last 30 years and you DO NOT want to go through withdrawals from this stuff. Period! I have been there. If you do get yourself To that point and don’t want to check yourself into the hospital or seek psychiatric help I highly recommend weening yourself off with f-phenibut. Tapering is the key. F - phenibut is not near as intense or addicting as regular Phenibut. It is very similar to baclofen. F-phenibut is a great mix with kratom at very low doses. Just be very careful and don’t mess with it if you have any kind of addiction history.

[gravystainonmyshirt]

So I have been trying out phenibut here for a few weeks and i must say its pretty awesome. Its not as addicting as most would say, i havent taken any for over a week and havent even really thought about it to be honest. I just take it when I want to or when i cant sleep and then dont even think about it the next day.

The dosing is about 1.5grams during the day, barely feel it, but then when i dose the second 1.5grams, it hits hard and i get super nodded out and take a serious nap. If i take 2.5 grams in one go with some slow kratom, i must say, its pretty nice man. Amazing phenibut high is extremely relaxing and euphoric. Not as dangerous as everyone makes it out to be. I havent taken it everyday for weeks and then stopped cold turkey yet, and dont plan to, so i cant speak on that. But its cheap enough to take as often as you like and never run out.

You can go on alibaba and get a kilo of it shipped to your house for 140 total so its quite affordable. I got a kilo from happyhippoherbals for 100 when they were selling out of it and sell it around town with kratom customers. Then i will order from alibaba when i get low but this kilo seems like it will last forever.

[herbalhippie]

You're selling it to people? What if they get addicted?

I have to agree with the majority here. If you have an addictive personality, or like benzos, don't even go there. Not once.

I said in an earlier post I might use one capsule occasionally for extreme stress but I don't think that's gonna happen. Not with that incredibly unpleasant side effect I experienced.

[gravystainonmyshirt]

Ya, i help out a few people that are addicted to xanax and trying to quit, this helps their withdrawls. Plus this is not even that bad really, i mean for me it doesnt seem addicting really, its not all that amazing to want to do it all the time but im not a zanny addict either. It makes me too sleepy to want to continually do it.

And for the people who are already abusing xanax, i figure switching to phen is probably a better route to go ya know, at least if they get locked up and cant take anything they wont seize and die like they would if they cold turkeyd off xanax ya know.

I warn normal people about the phen, normal people dont seem to think its all that amazing either. They say its ok but nothing to get ur panties in a bunch over ya know. Idk, ill be more careful when recommending it in the future tho, ur right

[gravystainonmyshirt]

I agree about the abdominal cramps, feels like your stomach is empty as hell, not agreeable at all. And i feel it is affecting my memory for some reason, i have a hard time remembering the correct word for something, or a name of someone like an actor i havent thought about in a while. With those issues and the fact that I dont really feel it all that much keeps me from using it.

I kinda feel bad about sounding like i was downplaying the bad side to it because there is one. And if your highly prone to addiction towards benzos then it wouldnt be a good idea to introduce yourself to this. Other people I know like it but its not for me, i need my brain to fire on all cylinders for school and work ya know. Ironically I read that phenibut is good for taking before exams to relieve stress so you can perform better, or good for a night of studying. Some of those sites that promote it sound kinda shilly imo, and of course you see a link to buy some at the bottom of the page.

[herbalhippie]

I agree about the abdominal cramps, feels like your stomach is empty as hell.

It was MUCH worse than that for me. I can't even explain. Like I'd been poisoned and my digestive system was trying to get it out as fast as possible. Horrible lower abdominal cramps.

Worse than colonoscopy prep, if you've ever experienced that.

[gravystainonmyshirt]

I agree about the abdominal cramps, feels like your stomach is empty as hell.

It was MUCH worse than that for me. I can't even explain. Like I'd been poisoned and my digestive system was trying to get it out as fast as possible. Horrible lower abdominal cramps.

Worse than colonoscopy prep, if you've ever experienced that.

Lol, magnesium citrate

[herbalhippie]

I agree about the abdominal cramps, feels like your stomach is empty as hell.

It was MUCH worse than that for me. I can't even explain. Like I'd been poisoned and my digestive system was trying to get it out as fast as possible. Horrible lower abdominal cramps.

Worse than colonoscopy prep, if you've ever experienced that.

Lol, magnesium citrate

Worse.

A whole bottle of milk of magnesia maybe. No. Worse.

[Oletimer]

I can see both sides of the benefits, and disadvantages, for me, NO! I am doing good on my tapering,,benzos,so I know for me,,it is not good,,,

[The Relaxed Guy]

Just want to touch base and let everyone know I’ve really fucked up with the phenibut. Since making this post, I’ve taken it every day except 2 days in the first week, and three days after the first month.

Cold turkey after one month wasn’t TOO bad - it was actually very bearable especially with kratom. But unfortunately I used that as a means to rationalize further usage, and resumed usage about 4 days into the cold turkey.

Otherwise I have used daily, slowly increasing dosage.

It’s the most pleasant and euphoric substance I have ever taken and I strongly regret ever touching it.

I am going to begin a taper of 0.1g daily starting tomorrow, as I have been having some ... concerning ... toilet breaks of late.

Don’t do what I did. Kratom doesn’t even feel good anymore. I hardly even take Kratom anymore because phenibut feels so much stronger, and completely stops the WDs of kratom (removing incentive to take Kratom in the first place).

I feel very good all day every day, and have gotten a major promotion at work. Also met many new friends. But I know this will eventually bite me in the ass. I’m 3 months deep at this point.



Edit:

I forget who it was, herbalhippie? Or some other mod, I forget his name. The guy who didn’t like my views on creationism (lol it’s all good). I reallyyy wish I took his advice now, and just never touched it to begin with.

[herbalhippie]

I don't think I was in on your creationism thread so that must have been Blends.

I think about you every time this post gets bumped up again and wonder if you're ok. Sorry to hear this thing got it's hooks in you. Hold to your taper and please keep us posted how you're doing.

[swablero]

Thanks for the update Relaxed Guy and good luck man.

People who are intrigued by phenibut and feel like they want to experience what it has to offer should read this thread from the beginning. Sincere opinions examining phen in depth from all the angles. I urge people not to align themselves with any one person's opinion but try to be open to the complete range of thought, Don't go blindly down the path.

[FartBlaster]

Phenibut is a nasty chemical poison , addictive as shit, it is nothing like Kratom and it won't make you smarter but it might fuck you up and not in a fun way.

[beathappening]

Edit:

I forget who it was, herbalhippie? Or some other mod, I forget his name. The guy who didn’t like my views on creationism (lol it’s all good). I reallyyy wish I took his advice now, and just never touched it to begin with.

Right here, bud. Live and learn. Happens to the best of us.

[e_poison]

I forget who it was, herbalhippie? Or some other mod, I forget his name. The guy who didn’t like my views on creationism (lol it’s all good). I reallyyy wish I took his advice now, and just never touched it to begin with.

I don't think I was in on your creationism thread so that must have been Blends.

It was me. I never disliked your view on creationism, I just provided an alternative view. I would never criticize or make fun of someone for their personal beliefs.

I did say to stay away from phenibut though.

Hopefully you can taper safely and never touch it again, best of luck to you. Keep us updated!

[beathappening]

I think we all told you not to do it

[Crunch]

I think we all told you not to do it

Just couldn't resist could ya

[BallzDeep9]

Saw this very good post on Reddit. Kratom Korner:

I've used phenibut once a week for over a year without any problems. I generally take a therapeutic dose of ~ 500 mg twice a day on Sunday, which is my tolerance break day from kratom. It gets rid of almost all withdrawal symptoms for me & I sleep like a baby. I wake up feeling refreshed on Monday & my normal kratom dosage is back to working like a champ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KratomKorner/c ... _phenibut/

Seems like this, or a variation, could be a great workable solution for quickly tapering and re-setting Tolerance?

[Cuttlefish]

Just wanted to toss my two cents.
When I first started phenibut years ago, I’d take like 4 grams split into 3 doses twice a week and it very quickly led to ruined sleep and feeling bug eyes and down days after. I quit a few months and revisited.
Now I’ve found 750mg-1g split into 3 doses once (rarely twice a week) leads to very minimal side effects. They get worse when I drink on days I’m not taking it, and personally I have a harder time controlling alcohol than i do phenibut, as in I usually get drunk if I start drinking and have a horrible hangover. There are benefits to phenibut, I don’t think there’s any with alcohol. I struggle with insomnia and can plan my doses before certains days I have to be up early because I know I’ll sleep well. I can take little to
No kratom which helps tolerance. It has helped me build better routines like exercising and reading and being sociable because once I try it on phenibut I have more confidence to try it other days.
Main points, people overdose on it, like taking 10 Xanax as opposed to 1. Taking Any gaba drug every day will lead to problems, and phenibut has a long half life so you jack yourself up quicker. I just felt someone should give another side of the story. I think alcohol/benzos is much worse than phenibut personally.
I may have an ‘advantage’ because I used to be addicted to far harder drugs. I’ve learned self control. Taking 1.5 is 6x times my dose, always start low. L theanine helps a lot on days you don’t take it.

[FartBlaster]

Saw this very good post on Reddit. Kratom Korner:

I've used phenibut once a week for over a year without any problems. I generally take a therapeutic dose of ~ 500 mg twice a day on Sunday, which is my tolerance break day from kratom. It gets rid of almost all withdrawal symptoms for me & I sleep like a baby. I wake up feeling refreshed on Monday & my normal kratom dosage is back to working like a champ.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KratomKorner/c ... _phenibut/

Seems like this, or a variation, could be a great workable solution for quickly tapering and re-setting Tolerance?

That's good for somebody with extremely strong willpower who wouldn't ever cheat and take a larger dose or an extra dose. If you're like most people on here , possibly a recovered addict or have some addiction issues, this is a terrible idea. Kratom WD is a cake walk in comparison
DFW phenibut

[beathappening]

Have you guys noticed the price spike in phenibut lately? Places are also limiting how much you can buy. I expect this to get worse. Thanks trump!

[Cuttlefish]

Liftmode is where I get mine and prices look normal, just checked

[beathappening]

Nootropic depot and zach attack both have gone up by like 20% since spring. It wasn't long ago that Zach was selling up to 50kg bulk sizes. liftmode already raised their prices earlier this year and discontinued anything above 100g

[Lambeezy]

When quitting kratom or taking a tolerance break I wait till about 36 hours in when I’m really hurting and I’ll take about 1.5g. Mutes withdrawals pretty well. ONLY USE 1 TIME. or you will get rediculpus rebound anxiety

[FartBlaster]

Phenibut taste like toxic chemical McDonald's

[Bawli]

Phenibut taste like toxic chemical McDonald's

FAA does have a week-old fry oil taste ime. Sort of like how L-theanine tastes.

In my experience with Phenibut most of what OP says about it is true, though I have never taken enough to experience the euphoric effects, as I use it only for its anxiolitic and disinhibition properties. I recently started it up again as I only recently became aware of its apparent ability to enhance Kratom's effects and its ability to enhance music apparently.

[herbalhippie]

I wonder how Relaxed Guy is doing these days.

[beathappening]

I wonder how Relaxed Guy is doing these days.

I was about to make this same post. Hopefully phenibut didn't get the better of him. It's such a dangerously addictive drug when used improperly.

[herbalhippie]

I sent him a p.m., no answer yet.