Botanical Bunny

Post by **Erpudjt** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:12 pm

I have a sample of the gold 12, can someone tell me if it's slow, mid, or fast? Thanks

Post by **instantKARMA** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:30 pm

Erpudjt wrote:I have a sample of the gold 12, can someone tell me if it's slow, mid, or fast? Thanks

Slightly fast with a great mood lift!

Post by **gravystainonmyshirt** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:57 pm

I feel it can be on the slower side, its weird how chemistry can change from one person to another.

Post by **guitartodd77** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:00 pm

In my experience, Gold 12 is fast. Gold MD 12 is slower. Gets confusing and then you throw body chemistry on top of it.

Also, I have the Gold Bali from BB and it definitely on the slower end of the spectrum. Man, I really bought into alot of different strains with BB this go around. The Gold 12 (1906) is one of my all time favorites which is why I picked so many different offerings somewhat related to it.

Post by **instantKARMA** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:47 pm

guitartodd77 wrote:In my experience, Gold 12 is fast. Gold MD 12 is slower. Gets confusing and then you throw body chemistry on top of it.

Also, I have the Gold Bali from BB and it definitely on the slower end of the spectrum. Man, I really bought into alot of different strains with BB this go around. The Gold 12 (1906) is one of my all time favorites which is why I picked so many different offerings somewhat related to it.

Doing the Gold 12 as I type! It began exactly like the last couple of times I burned this one...slightly fast
with nice euphoria but around an hour to an hour and a half it slowed considerably...still going strong
but not fast like it was previously! Odd, that!

The Gold MD 12 is absolutely a lot slower and it has some smokin' heat to it. Both strains are kick ass...
at least for me!

Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:42 am

I bought the last 100g bag of Gold 12 and it gets delivered today....I know what I am burning this afternoon!

Post by **Zone1991** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:47 am

Alright guys so I just got my shipment of BB PMD in today. I had been discussing this product with a few of you on here, not realizing i was actually reviewing the super md rather than the pmd (both lot 12)

Right off the bat the pmd has a much different feel to it than the super md. Twice as euphoric with slightly more energy. Relatively similar in every other aspect. I’m not sure how exactly these two strains differ but the PMD is pretty great so far.

Post by **Theanine** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:58 am

Zone1991 wrote:Alright guys so I just got my shipment of BB PMD in today. I had been discussing this product with a few of you on here, not realizing i was actually reviewing the super md rather than the pmd (both lot 12)

Right off the bat the pmd has a much different feel to it than the super md. Twice as euphoric with slightly more energy. Relatively similar in every other aspect. I’m not sure how exactly these two strains differ but the PMD is pretty great so far.

I found the PMD 12 to be much more mellow than the Super MD 12, with a bit more euphoria. Although, I wouldn't say that it is twice as euphoric, the Super MD just feels like any other "Super" strain with a bit more power to it, since it is an MD. It is very close to the Super Indo in its effects, which I also have and can compare. What I don't like about it is the speed which PMD12 lacks, I don't like speed. So, I am trading off my Super Indo (already committed to someone) and the Super MD. Objectively, the Super Indo and Super MD are similarly powerful strains, 3.5 to 4 grams is all that I can handle of them. I can go higher in dose with the BB's PMD 12, doing so with any "Super" strains simply triggers anxiety in my, and I don't like that. So, if you like mellow, get the PMD, if you like more speedy feeling, get the Super MD. Both are obviously Premium leaf, both are fire, both smell exactly the same without any difference in color at all. By simply looking, smelling or tasting them, I can not tell them apart! That's why it is even more surprising that they are quite a bit different in their effects....

Post by **hpintx** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:42 pm

Not really a fan of the Plantation 12 or Red Dayak.

Post by **skrillozedd** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:49 pm

hpintx wrote:Not really a fan of the Plantation 12 or Red Dayak.

I, too, got some of the plantation 12 and wasn't feeling it in the beginning either, it's okay just not my cup of tea

Post by **Theanine** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:47 am

Yes, "Plantation" strains tend to be quite terrible, even from good growers.

It is likely due to the fact that most farmed Kratom is quite low in alkaloids due to the age of trees being very young and the soil depleted of nutrients.

Kratom picked in the wild tends to be superior, again due to the age of those trees. Some of them are more than 30 years old, find that on a farm!

Post by **jabro70** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:12 pm

Theanine wrote:Yes, "Plantation" strains tend to be quite terrible, even from good growers.

Not necessarily. This one may be somewhat subpar right now, but BB has had some pretty stout batches of Plantation before - a good bit stronger than the current PMD. There are other vendors selling “Plantation” strains that are straight Fire as well. (Thinking of a certain Plantation Thai right now

)
I think it’s all just a name game anyway. No way to know if the leaf in that bag of “Plantation” came off of a farm or if the leaf in the bag of “Wild Green ...” didn’t. (See Gumby’s excellent post)

Post by **Theanine** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:20 pm

jabro70 wrote:
Theanine wrote:Yes, "Plantation" strains tend to be quite terrible, even from good growers.
Not necessarily. This one may be somewhat subpar right now, but BB has had some pretty stout batches of Plantation before - a good bit stronger than the current PMD. There are other vendors selling “Plantation” strains that are straight Fire as well. (Thinking of a certain Plantation Thai right now )
I think it’s all just a name game anyway. No way to know if the leaf in that bag of “Plantation” came off of a farm or if the leaf in the bag of “Wild Green ...” didn’t. (See Gumby’s excellent post)

That's why I said: "tend" )) I will take Wild species over farmed any day. And I have actually had decent Plantation MD's before, but in my mind, they were always inferior to the true fire PMD's. As you said though, those names bear little meaning. Although, BB's keep the original farmer designations allowing us to discern their differences better. It is ALL about a batch, not a name. If you hear the fire buzz, that's a sure sign. Community referral is the only good way to find real fire batches. Although, MD's (horned leaf) had always produced a good effect for me, with the tendency towards anxiety if taken a bit too much.

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:54 pm

Theanine wrote: I will take Wild species over farmed any day. And I have actually had decent Plantation MD's before, but in my mind, they were always inferior to the true fire PMD's.

Agree, totally! In fact the Indo supplier of Wild Green kratom, GGK, has explained that he does setup "camp" in a jungle area, with harvesters who are paid to collect from large older trees.. the best products including PMD, are blends of course. With B.B. we get transparency, knowing WHO it's from, and yes keeping the Indo Brand Name product - These top suppliers do control the source of their leaf.

Post by **Theanine** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:04 pm

BallzDeep9 wrote:
Theanine wrote: I will take Wild species over farmed any day. And I have actually had decent Plantation MD's before, but in my mind, they were always inferior to the true fire PMD's.
Agree, totally! In fact the Indo supplier of Wild Green kratom, GGK, has explained that he does setup "camp" in a jungle area, with harvesters who are paid to collect from large older trees.. the best products including PMD, are blends of course. With B.B. we get transparency, knowing WHO it's from, and yes keeping the Indo Brand Name product - These top suppliers do control the source of their leaf.

GGK, is that BB's lot 14?

How do the PMD blends get produced?

I am very partial to their Lot 12, you have previously stated who it was. I need to make myself a vendor chart and systematically track the highest performing vendors. Hey, maybe we could even rate them based on the quality of their output?

Post by **BallzDeep9** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:01 pm

Theanine wrote:GGK, is that BB's lot 14?

GGK = Golden Green Kratom. yes he is very active online, FB and Reddit. On the other BB thread I posted more detailed info, we've got like 3 BB topics going here it seems?

Lot 12 = Kratom Crumbs aka KC / and Lot 13 = VLNT / and Lot 17 = Frans Herb. All discussed previously and, pretty well known to customers of BB - I really prefer transparency, knowing who & where its from .. A few other vendors like K-OG, Soultanic, do the same - Most vendors play the "Secret Source" game of course

.. I like how BB does not mess with, or re-name, the strains they receive. A couple of BB strains: Verde, and Rojo Loco, are exclusive to Botanical Bunny and were created in partnership with GGK.

Post by **Theanine** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:56 am

BallzDeep9 wrote:
Theanine wrote:GGK, is that BB's lot 14?
GGK = Golden Green Kratom. yes he is very active online, FB and Reddit. On the other BB thread I posted more detailed info, we've got like 3 BB topics going here it seems?

Lot 12 = Kratom Crumbs aka KC / and Lot 13 = VLNT / and Lot 17 = Frans Herb. All discussed previously and, pretty well known to customers of BB - I really prefer transparency, knowing who & where its from .. A few other vendors like K-OG, Soultanic, do the same - Most vendors play the "Secret Source" game of course .. I like how BB does not mess with, or re-name, the strains they receive. A couple of BB strains: Verde, and Rojo Loco, are exclusive to Botanical Bunny and were created in partnership with GGK.

Ballz keeps posting this very important data, and I keep forgetting it. Not any longer!

Here is my vendor chart so far

based on BallzDeep9's info, a work in progress:

Lot 12 — Kratom Crumbs (KC)

Lot 13 - VLNT

Lot 14 - GGK (Fhietra)

Lot 17 - Frans Herb

I shall keep adding to it, perhaps someday, it could go into its own thread.

Kratom Crumbs is my favorite grower thus far. I've been meaning to give Verde a try.

Lately, I've been loving the Dark Green Pinoh from Soultanic, probably a Red, but I can't find it anywhere. Trying the Wild Red Borneo from Smiley's to see if it would be the same. It too has a dark green coloration. It might be the most warm and fuzzy feeling Kratom I've ever tried!

Thank you, Ballz, for your valuable input as always. There are a few members of this group which are very informative and really make this group effective.

Also, I love that you take your time to illustrate your posts, that makes it more fun to read!

Post by **Patchgarden** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:26 pm

I need some advice. I was lucky enough a week ago to find myself sleeplessly surfing the botanical bunny website and saw that they had recently added super white and gold 12 to the menu but in small amounts. I was able to snag 100g bad of gold 12 the last one they had left and then grabbed the remaining four ounces of super white. Well today finally arrived and I opened up my package and they gave me the four super whites and one gold md instead. I love the gold md but I already have alot and really wanted to try gold 12. Since they no longer have gold 12 in stock what would suggest I swap this out for??

Post by **BotanicalBunny** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:15 pm

It's not all gone and your replacement is shipping out in the morning. (just got your email)

Additionally, I received a small amount (50kg) of the Gold 12 in today and will be adding it to the site tonight.
I should be receiving more of the PMD in another day to two.
Lot 13 strains will be restocked within the next 3 or 4 days.

Post by **Patchgarden** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 pm

You guys are the absolute best venders to work with! Always so helpful and quick at responding!
Top notch!!

Post by **jabro70** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:44 pm

hpintx wrote:I enjoyed their white 12, but I personally found white Dayak to be alot better.

I will say the current White Dayak is an outstanding “get-shit-done” White. I got the White Dayak a couple months ago from Liza’s, but this batch is definitely better. Very smooth, energetic white.

Post by **WhiteAngelica** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:08 pm

I love BB and always find there is a killer amidst his offerings. He just ran out, but the Gold Bali was some of the best I have ever had fron BB or elsewhere. I am also in love with his #12 PMD, Wild Green, and Rojo--the only formidable opponent to kill my chronic pain for a series or hours. I have heard great things about the White Dayak, and I just ordered all the #12 batches I could. I also knoe that it's hard to go wrong with BB's yellow bent.

Sorry, but I am ride or die shorty when it comes to my BB. I am protective of the nicest vendoe with the kind of strains that can kick the ads of my debilitating pain. I follow the bunny like a gang.

Post by **WhiteAngelica** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:11 pm

Oletimer wrote:Dam KARMA, now I am going to see if they have it,,golds usually do nada,, but gold borneo, mm did,,getting order tomorrow, pmd and white,,,aren't you the one who has trouble with golds too?

Hey, golds don't work for me often but his last batch of Gold Bali blew my pants off. Stalking the site to see if more crop up. Highly recommended. And yes, he has had it before but this batch of Gold Bali was a whole new animal.

Post by **WhiteAngelica** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:12 pm

Zone1991 wrote:I also ordered the Prem MD from their most recent batch and I’ve been relatively disappointed with it. I generally get green md, green Borneo or white Borneo when ordering from vendors. The Prem MD from BB has given me more headaches than euphoria. Not very high on the energy scale either. It looks like I’m on an island, as most of you appear to be enjoying it quite a bit. Has anyone else had a similar experience as me with this batch?

Go with batch 12, not 14.

Post by **WhiteAngelica** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:16 pm

pray4peace4 wrote:I have to add my negative experience with BB PMD. Everyone's always said it was good so I ordered some. I might as well have swallowed grass clippings. Tried it at 1g, 1.5g, 2g, 3g. I never go above 3g. Look, we all know kratom's effects are very personalized. My experience is my own. I'm glad so many like BB, but, you know, jumping all over someone because they have a differing opinion from you is just plain rude. Double M came into being to get away from that crap. E_poison asked everyone some time ago to stop calling others shills & not long after that a bunch started accusing a guy/gal of being a shill. C'mon guys. Keep this forum respectful of others.

It is different if you order the PMD 12 or 14. Remember that every batch is different. I loved the PMD 12. Try him again. In fact, if you write to him about your experience he will send you samples to try and hit your 'sweet spot.' Nicest vendor in the world.

Post by **WhiteAngelica** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:19 pm

Zone1991 wrote:I also ordered the Prem MD from their most recent batch and I’ve been relatively disappointed with it. I generally get green md, green Borneo or white Borneo when ordering from vendors. The Prem MD from BB has given me more headaches than euphoria. Not very high on the energy scale either. It looks like I’m on an island, as most of you appear to be enjoying it quite a bit. Has anyone else had a similar experience as me with this batch?

ps: I said this to someone else, but if you contact BB admin, he will likely bend over backwards trying to send you another order, likely free of charge. It's all about the batch numbers, and what agrees with your system. He has Super MD and Super Green right now, along with a bevy of other things. I guarantee you'll find one that flips your switch. Just contact him!

Post by **Flysonsyd** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:00 pm

I recently ordered yet again from bb. I had some issues trying to get my credit card's to work with cash app. I had to wait over 24 hours until friday to recieve my check in my bank so i could make the payment. I asked bb if they wouldn't mind waiting for me and they went ahead and sent my package out before even receiving my payment. I have been ordering consistently from them for the last month . it was very trusting of them to go ahead and move foward with my order based on my word. I appreciate them for that. Very good customer service.

Post by **gravystainonmyshirt** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:31 am

Dude, the GGK Lot 14 PMD is super fire, super fire, its almost gone cuz people found out about how good it is though, i got a kilo and man it is good. I thought it was ok at first, then i took it first thing in the morning and it was amazing.

The CC/KC PMD lot 12 is great as well, cant go wrong with either of em to be honest.

Post by **KurtisCards** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:06 pm

i got some of the white dayak and have tried it 3 times and it hasn.t done much for me.

what doses are people taking the white dayak?

Post by **Ezriderx2x** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:12 pm

Didn't do much for me either. White MDJK was much better in my experience.

Body chem is a bitch. Mitramans famous gold Bali didn't do anything for me either ..just sitting in my stash at this point.

Post by **JHole** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:02 pm

KurtisCards wrote:i got some of the white dayak and have tried it 3 times and it hasn.t done much for me.

what doses are people taking the white dayak?

He thru a sample in with one of my orders. I took 4gs a couple different times and really enjoyed it. I don't usually do whites. But that one I wish I would have order some!!!

Post by **KurtisCards** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:23 pm

since its a white, and have had bad experiances in the past with "fast strains" im scared to take more than 2.4g mixed with a slow strain haha

Post by **Quercus** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:31 pm

"I got some of the white dayak and have tried it 3 times and it hasn.t done much for me. what doses are people taking the white dayak?"

I've been getting excellent results with my usual dose, which is 0.5g followed an hour or two later with another 0.5g. I have a fairly low tolerance, though. In my experience it is moderately fast (7/10), has great mood enhancement (8/10) and is nicely energizing (9/10). I don't take it for pain relief so can't say anything about that. The first couple of times I took it, it did seem faster and more energetic than now but I think that's pretty normal - at least it is for me. The main thing is that I can take it and have the energy and motivation I need to stay productive for hours at a time which is what I really care about.

Post by **Tbaby** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:20 pm

Has anyone tried the most recent re-releases of the PMD 12 or Gold 12 that he just restoked. I'm wondering if it's the exact same as the previous fire PMD 12 and Gold 12 he sold out of. I'm sure its great, just wondering if anyone has tried yet.

Post by **Kaidensmom** » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:13 pm

The gold 12 that he has right now is the same one that he had last month. He found some stashed away after it sold out originally

Post by **Tbaby** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:54 am

Kaidensmom wrote:The gold 12 that he has right now is the same one that he had last month. He found some stashed away after it sold out originally

How bout the PMD12? What would be the difference from last batch?

Post by **JHole** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:03 am

Kaidensmom wrote:The gold 12 that he has right now is the same one that he had last month. He found some stashed away after it sold out originally

This is what botanical bunny wrote just a few comments up. On July 31st.
"Additionally, I received a small amount (50kg) of the Gold 12 in today and will be adding it to the site tonight.
I should be receiving more of the PMD in another day to two."
"Lot 13 strains will be restocked within the next 3 or 4 days."
So it might not be exact same.

Post by **gravystainonmyshirt** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:39 am

BB usually always “finds” some stashed away, they never seem to actually post everything they have. There is probably a reason for that, if you bag it all up in kilos then what happens if someone wants 250g bag, you would have to rebag it, so they probably just fill amounts that run out as they sell ya know. To keep a good variety of bag sizes available. I would snag some Gold12 and the PMD 14 for sure, that pmd14 is some suuuuper fire

Post by **JerseyBoy** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:05 pm

I don't see a pmd14!!! Haha ahhhhhhhhh.

Post by **herbalhippie** » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:33 pm

JerseyBoy wrote:I don't see a pmd14!!! Haha ahhhhhhhhh.

Sold out