Our Forum - Where did everybody go?

[pray4peace4]

Activity here is really sparse, sometime 1 or 2 months in-between between posts. What happened to everyone? Almost no current reviews. Double M was my source of strain information. Is there a new fancy forum somewhere else? Has everyone stopped using the green dust? I'm sad!

[e_poison]

Activity here is really sparse, sometime 1 or 2 months in-between between posts. What happened to everyone? Almost no current reviews. Double M was my source of strain information. Is there a new fancy forum somewhere else? Has everyone stopped using the green dust? I'm sad!

Traffic is the same as always, however it's mainly google searches and people coming from social media who are looking for information. It's not people who want to sign up for forum accounts. We've seem to have become a knowledge database rather than an active discussion forum. While we continue to get a lot of eyes on the forum and traffic is even growing, participation has slowed.

Lots of factors:
- 7oh taking a lot of the kratom market
- Looming ban threats
- People quitting kratom over time
- Kratom simply doesn't feel as popular as it used to be
- Legacy vendors closing up shop

But the biggest reason:
- Old school forums/websites are losing the popularity contest to social media

Turning these visitors into active users is a struggle as old as the internet lol, but I have some ideas for the near future.

[IndelibleDotInk]

MeWe used to be hot, but they revamped the site and took away major features, causing a mass exodus.

[mivanqua]

I still check this forum basically daily, but speaking for myself, life just happens and we have lost a lot of vendors along the way, and good ones too. Now with this reddit DTE lead scandal or whatever, I'm not sure what will become of them even. Drew said give him until the 25th and here we are today, the 29th, with no word on anything.
KOG is gone, Wildcraft is basically through it seems....
I've just been eating all of my odds and ends and saving the larger amounts for later.
As always, I digress....

All that to say that most of us are still here in some capacity, it's hard not to be. This place is fuckin awesome.
And yeah, 7ohm is nabbin lots of us, but it's days are likely numbered though. Works too well without a real bad side to be available without a prescription, seems like. We all know how these fucks are, we've been calling and writing letters for years now trying to protect what we see as the answer.
If anyone has a line on any good reds, I'm listening.

We're all still here, just caught up in the day to day and the future doesn't look good for the leafy leaf, as labdog would say.

[Babel-17]

I've got a stockpile I'm not willing to expand given that I might move several States over in a year or three and wouldn't want to drive with, or ship, kilos of it, so the only stuff I can review is what I've already posted about. But I remain willing to jump in if I have anything to contribute when questions or opinions are asked.

Off topic, but Sean Young remains the best Chani, change my mind, lol!

[MetalMamaRocks]

I check in every now and then. I stopped kratom before I had my hiatal hernia surgery a couple years ago but last year picked up 7oh. That was a mistake. The withdrawals and side effects were awful. I've never been through anything like that. Now I occasionally make a tea out of my kratom stash since I can't handle the powder any more.

I hope everyone here is doing well!

[Burninator]

I still check this forum basically daily, but speaking for myself, life just happens and we have lost a lot of vendors along the way, and good ones too. Now with this reddit DTE lead scandal or whatever, I'm not sure what will become of them even. Drew said give him until the 25th and here we are today, the 29th, with no word on anything.
KOG is gone, Wildcraft is basically through it seems....
I've just been eating all of my odds and ends and saving the larger amounts for later.
As always, I digress....

All that to say that most of us are still here in some capacity, it's hard not to be. This place is fuckin awesome.
And yeah, 7ohm is nabbin lots of us, but it's days are likely numbered though. Works too well without a real bad side to be available without a prescription, seems like. We all know how these fucks are, we've been calling and writing letters for years now trying to protect what we see as the answer.
If anyone has a line on any good reds, I'm listening.

We're all still here, just caught up in the day to day and the future doesn't look good for the leafy leaf, as labdog would say.

Yeahh don’t love that about DTE, considering basically my entire stash has become his leaf. He’s also been super unresponsive the last few weeks. Really hope I’m not continuing to poison myself.

[Csharpe]

I still check this forum basically daily, but speaking for myself, life just happens and we have lost a lot of vendors along the way, and good ones too. Now with this reddit DTE lead scandal or whatever, I'm not sure what will become of them even. Drew said give him until the 25th and here we are today, the 29th, with no word on anything.
KOG is gone, Wildcraft is basically through it seems....
I've just been eating all of my odds and ends and saving the larger amounts for later.
As always, I digress....

All that to say that most of us are still here in some capacity, it's hard not to be. This place is fuckin awesome.
And yeah, 7ohm is nabbin lots of us, but it's days are likely numbered though. Works too well without a real bad side to be available without a prescription, seems like. We all know how these fucks are, we've been calling and writing letters for years now trying to protect what we see as the answer.
If anyone has a line on any good reds, I'm listening.

We're all still here, just caught up in the day to day and the future doesn't look good for the leafy leaf, as labdog would say.

I must have missed that, I don’t check Reddit kratom subs as often as I used to, they’re pretty dead as well. What happened with DTE?

[mivanqua]

Over the limit of lead was found in multiple strains as I understand it.

The other side though, is that the tests DO say passed and the person pointing this out to everyone IS a vendor, so maybe other motives at play.

The main thing is his actions now. Four days late on his "meticulous research and testing" or whatever.

He's kinda making himself look guilty here.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like lots of folks aren't and there's a new drop happening soon (...maybe?)

He's acting busted.

[mivanqua]

I check in every now and then. I stopped kratom before I had my hiatal hernia surgery a couple years ago but last year picked up 7oh. That was a mistake. The withdrawals and side effects were awful. I've never been through anything like that. Now I occasionally make a tea out of my kratom stash since I can't handle the powder any more.

I hope everyone here is doing well!

I feel like 7ohm was a mistake too for myself. It acts too much like real drugs. I'm sorry to hear that you had to quit kratom though.
How did you quit 7ohm?

I've got a ton of 8mg tabs coming tomorrow, I'm going to decrease my dose until I'm down to none, not that my consumption is that high anyway, only about 45 mg a day. I used to sprinkle a little on top of my doses and I thought that was sustainable, but then all of the ss tabs started to suck, but 1-3 mg per kratom dose wasn't messing me up too bad I don't think
It's definitely a great substance, just not very sustainable. Having said that, I'm not ok with it being banned. It's, BY ANY STANDARDS, dramatically less harmful than opioids or alcohol or even f'in cigarettes.

Pretension on the part of 'lawmakers" is only idiocy

[MetalMamaRocks]

I check in every now and then. I stopped kratom before I had my hiatal hernia surgery a couple years ago but last year picked up 7oh. That was a mistake. The withdrawals and side effects were awful. I've never been through anything like that. Now I occasionally make a tea out of my kratom stash since I can't handle the powder any more.

I hope everyone here is doing well!

I feel like 7ohm was a mistake too for myself. It acts too much like real drugs. I'm sorry to hear that you had to quit kratom though.
How did you quit 7ohm?

I've got a ton of 8mg tabs coming tomorrow, I'm going to decrease my dose until I'm down to none, not that my consumption is that high anyway, only about 45 mg a day. I used to sprinkle a little on top of my doses and I thought that was sustainable, but then all of the ss tabs started to suck, but 1-3 mg per kratom dose wasn't messing me up too bad I don't think
It's definitely a great substance, just not very sustainable. Having said that, I'm not ok with it being banned. It's, BY ANY STANDARDS, dramatically less harmful than opioids or alcohol or even f'in cigarettes.

Pretension on the part of 'lawmakers" is only idiocy

I loved 7oh. It was the perfect panacea for everything I had been looking for. I was only taking 40mg a day spread out over 12 hours. I wouldn't dose after 9pm and tried not to dose until after 9am. I started waking up in withdrawals that got worse and worse and earlier. Headaches, nausea, anxiety, and rls.

One morning I got up and had the worse migraine I'd ever had. It scared me. I thought I was having a stroke. I quit cold turkey that day. It wasn't easy, I thought the withdrawals would be minor like kratom leaf but they were much worse. I used some mit extract pills on and off but that didn't help much. I would imagine using high doses of Mit extract would help, but I didn't really want to get dependent on that. Some folks say using high doses of liposomal vitamin C works. After 3 days I was better but it took probably a week to be in the clear.

I have mixed feelings about it being banned. I also worry about the chemicals used to make it. It should at least be highly regulated to where kids and teens can't get it. I'm an experienced drug connoisseur who's very careful about getting addicted to stuff and 7oh got me.

[Twotearsinabucket]

Over the limit of lead was found in multiple strains as I understand it.

The other side though, is that the tests DO say passed and the person pointing this out to everyone IS a vendor, so maybe other motives at play.

The main thing is his actions now. Four days late on his "meticulous research and testing" or whatever.

He's kinda making himself look guilty here.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like lots of folks aren't and there's a new drop happening soon (...maybe?)

He's acting busted.

I was following that whole thing a bit but have not stayed up to date. The thing that spoke volumes to me regardless of motives is that they had posted and published these test results on their own website. Like that had my flabbers gasted and it wasn’t just positive for lead, it was also salmonella!

How do we know the one who posted it is a vendor ? Do we know which one it is ?

Idk man I’m pretty new to this forum and have struggled to get a grasp on things but whenever I’ve been on Reddit, it seems like everyone is super suspicious of each other and there’s so much unneeded volatility and competition. I don’t get it, personally.

[herbalhippie]

Off topic, but Sean Young remains the best Chani, change my mind, lol!

All I know is, I am not a fan of Zendaya as Chani. Bad miscast there.

[herbalhippie]

I check in every now and then. I stopped kratom before I had my hiatal hernia surgery a couple years ago but last year picked up 7oh. That was a mistake. The withdrawals and side effects were awful. I've never been through anything like that. Now I occasionally make a tea out of my kratom stash since I can't handle the powder any more.

I hope everyone here is doing well!

I am really sorry to hear that. 7oh scares the hell out of me and I will never touch it.

[mivanqua]

That is a great philosophy, h²

You can see right here on doublem how many were snagged by it. I can't help but think it was coordinated somehow, but that could just be me.

Betty is pissed at me for even touching it and I wonder if it is the reason I stopped being able to tolerate pot, it's been almost three months since I smoked.

I can't just explain it away, not to her anyway

She was best friends with me through my heavy drug yesterdays and feels like she sees a resemblance. Maybe i see one too.

It's tough. I stayed away from it for a very long time and I'm not sure what made me decide to start taking it. Probably just all of it mixed and boredom.

I definitely miss the days before it strolled into my every day.

[herbalhippie]

That is a great philosophy, h²

You can see right here on doublem how many were snagged by it. I can't help but think it was coordinated somehow, but that could just be me.

Betty is pissed at me for even touching it and I wonder if it is the reason I stopped being able to tolerate pot, it's been almost three months since I smoked.

I can't just explain it away, not to her anyway

She was best friends with me through my heavy drug yesterdays and feels like she sees a resemblance. Maybe i see one too.

It's tough. I stayed away from it for a very long time and I'm not sure what made me decide to start taking it. Probably just all of it mixed and boredom.

I definitely miss the days before it strolled into my every day.

Love you, B.

[mivanqua]

Love you, too C. Glad to be able to hang out around here again with you, et. al.

This phone I'm using with my old chip in it is a complete piece of shit but at least there's this....

[SeventhHeaven]

This forum was an absolute God-send for me when I came here - the person who first told me about kratom, on a political forum and for my arthritis pain, also told me about two vendors he liked - and Double M Herbals.

Being brand new to kratom, I was completely clueless - it was like an amazing new adventure to me, and so many of the people here were SOOOOOO incredibly helpful and friendly I miss a lot of them, a lot!

As for 7-OH, I tried it once, but I like kratom powder enough that I didn't want to mess up my tolerance or anything. I did buy a few packages of tabs, just as a potential pain med for the future in case something happens (who knows what the future holds?), but otherwise I don't intend to use it. I generally only dose with kratom every other day, due to kidney concerns (I took Diclofenac for 15 years for arthritis pain, unaware that long-term use could damage kidneys - my doctor never said anything about periodic testing, and by the time she did, about 6 years ago, there was definite kidney damage. Diclofenac had been a wonder drug for me, but no one ever told me about the potential for kidney damage.

Enter kratom And Double M to help me figure it all out!

e_poison and H² - ya done good!! Kratom and Double M changed my life five years ago, for the better, and I'm very grateful!

[mivanqua]

^ they said h²!

and yeah, coolest board literally ever.

[herbalhippie]

^ they said h²!

and yeah, coolest board literally ever.

I love that nickname lol

[Burninator]

This thread has been more helpful for me than people might think. This last week or so I’ve been toying with the idea of buying a few tabs just to see what it’s all about—despite my better judgment. Your experiences have really helped me shake off that temptation. So, thank you.

[mivanqua]

See below v

[mivanqua]

This thread has been more helpful for me than people might think. This last week or so I’ve been toying with the idea of buying a few tabs just to see what it’s all about—despite my better judgment. Your experiences have really helped me shake off that temptation. So, thank you.

Stick with that better judgement.
I have some coming today, and of course the mail.is like four hours late...

EDIT: They came and I remember what Lou Reed once said "even when I have it I don't have it.' It's an illusion for sure.
These are low-dose (on purpose) but there are a lot of them though. I'm going to try to quit using these mostly for work and if I need to I'm thinking of getting some SR (I think it's) 17018

It's a dark and fucked world right now, I need to be PRESENT as painful as it may be.
I need to start fighting, not remain blotto. She doesn't know it yet, but my daughter is going to need me.

I also have some higher dose ones that have been stuck in Saint Paul, MN for two weeks and they are finally coming in my direction, but I'll probably stash those.

I need to stash KRATOM not this shit.

[IndelibleDotInk]

They are addictive and will destroy your leaf tolerance. I used them when my ankle was broken, at nights I had uncomfortable feelings, not actually pain, which a small crumble of 7oh would help me sleep. But I had to taper down and go back to regular kratom powder.

[mivanqua]

They are addictive and will destroy your leaf tolerance. I used them when my ankle was broken, at nights I had uncomfortable feelings, not actually pain, which a small crumble of 7oh would help me sleep. But I had to taper down and go back to regular kratom powder.

Hey homie!

Yeah I was crumbling 7ohm on top of my doses forever and then I said 'fuck it, I'll just take half of a 20 mg and see how it goes..." and here we are today.

I don't think I've talked to you since our 17 year old kitty Lily died a few months ago, the one that was hugging me in the picture, we miss her every single day, she died right beside me in her sleep.

I feel like the world has been falling apart since Lily has been gone, I know I have, that's for sure.

We buried her in the park beside a creek under a picturesque tree about a block from her favorite place that we lived.

Now that I say that, maybe I have already told you? Jeez I don't remember. Anyway, hope you guys are doing well out there.

[MetalMamaRocks]

They are addictive and will destroy your leaf tolerance. I used them when my ankle was broken, at nights I had uncomfortable feelings, not actually pain, which a small crumble of 7oh would help me sleep. But I had to taper down and go back to regular kratom powder.

Not only does it destroy leaf tolerance, it destroys tolerance for any other pain medication. That's one thing that scared me. What if I had to have emergency surgery? I was afraid the anesthesia wouldn't work, let alone the pain meds afterwards.

It's too bad because I loved the effects of 7, but in the long run it was not worth it.

[IndelibleDotInk]

They are addictive and will destroy your leaf tolerance. I used them when my ankle was broken, at nights I had uncomfortable feelings, not actually pain, which a small crumble of 7oh would help me sleep. But I had to taper down and go back to regular kratom powder.

Hey homie!

Yeah I was crumbling 7ohm on top of my doses forever and then I said 'fuck it, I'll just take half of a 20 mg and see how it goes..." and here we are today.

I don't think I've talked to you since our 17 year old kitty Lily died a few months ago, the one that was hugging me in the picture, we miss her every single day, she died right beside me in her sleep.

I feel like the world has been falling apart since Lily has been gone, I know I have, that's for sure.

We buried her in the park beside a creek under a picturesque tree about a block from her favorite place that we lived.

Now that I say that, maybe I have already told you? Jeez I don't remember. Anyway, hope you guys are doing well out there.

Well it's good her catness is now free of being in an old body, however well and cute and amazing it was...we must all escape the material world someday. Hang in there, you gave her a great life, a long one too.

[Madvillain626]

7ohm seemed to split the user base. The pandemic sparked new interest in kratom it seems but that has died down. The Trading Post is dead. Ah well, everything comes and goes. I've posted on message boards that are completely gone now with no trace.

I'm still here, also lurking on Discord

[mivanqua]

7ohm seemed to split the user base. The pandemic sparked new interest in kratom it seems but that has died down. The Trading Post is dead. Ah well, everything comes and goes. I've posted on message boards that are completely gone now with no trace.

I'm still here, also lurking on Discord

What? You have some reds you wanna sell?

I bought a half kilo of the red Wildcraft was selling yesterday, I feel like I can still trust those guys, they spend all of their time advocating around the country, I dont mind tossing a little money their way even if it isn't great, but I have a sneaking suspicion it will be above average.

As far as splitting up the user base, you are on target there I think. Just goes to show that some people like all of the peripheral elements of addiction, I guess. They are definitely VERY present with daily use. I'm glad my kids grown up, that's where I'll leave that thought. Hahaha!

[BallzDeep9]

7ohm seemed to split the user base. The pandemic sparked new interest in kratom it seems but that has died down. The Trading Post is dead. Ah well, everything comes and goes. I've posted on message boards that are completely gone now with no trace... I'm still here, also lurking on Discord

All interesting observations, Mad!

• 7Ohm IS = Kratom. That's just the plain truth - extracted isolated "Kratom" or at least, the pure molecule responsible for Kratom's good effects.
• All of the Anti 7oh "Not Kratom" stuff... was pushed by AKA, Mit45 - and the "Big Kratom" profiteers. AKA is now, starting to fall apart as a result.
• Yes, Message boards seem to come and go. MeWe has been dead for years... Groups on Facebook, get banned by Facebook (the word "Kratom" is not allowed!)
• Reddit - still there, and probably growing (went Public 2 years ago.) - I'm active there on r/7Ohm - in effort to provide a neutral, Kratom = 7Oh group.
• Discord has grown - But is now threatening "Age Gate" with ID required, Proof of Age ? which would kill many Discord groups. Lots of teenagers there!
• Trading Post ?? I HOPE is still here... I have some choice TFH Kratom, to post - I bought Way too much Leaf kratom, and now must Sell...

[mivanqua]

That's like saying cocaine = coca leaves and although it is true that cocaine comes from coca leaves, there is no possible way to say that a = b. I would have no problem if my daughter came up to me and said "hey dad, I've been chewing coca leaves lately.'

"No sweat, let me get some."

Conversely, if she came up and told me that she was doing cocaine, it would be a completely different conversation. I wouldn't be ok with it. I would understand, mind you, and wouldn't act like I didn't, but there is nothing positive that can come from "starting" cocaine. Coca leaves, however, can make someone very productive and have ZERO addictive qualities. They have studied them and found this to be true.

And it truly can be equated that way, ballz. Let's not kid ourselves (or each other.)


I take 7ohm myself and am in the process of stockpiling it for when they inevitably illegalize it, I will not be out back with nothing and have to come off cold turkey. I came off heroin that way and I'm not trying to go through that again.

I'll have enough to step down.

It was a mistake picking it up though, at least for myself. I can't (and won't) speak about anyone else out there. I don't claim to know what's good for anyone, and in most ways, not even myself, so again, don't take this as anti-7ohm, but at the same time, I think you may be oversimplifying it and being flippant about it's addictive properties.

Just saying.

You do you, but it's clear the very second you put a tab of 7ohm in your mouth that it is not, as you put it, "= kratom."

[pray4peace4]

They are addictive and will destroy your leaf tolerance. I used them when my ankle was broken, at nights I had uncomfortable feelings, not actually pain, which a small crumble of 7oh would help me sleep. But I had to taper down and go back to regular kratom powder.

Hey homie!

Yeah I was crumbling 7ohm on top of my doses forever and then I said 'fuck it, I'll just take half of a 20 mg and see how it goes..." and here we are today.

I don't think I've talked to you since our 17 year old kitty Lily died a few months ago, the one that was hugging me in the picture, we miss her every single day, she died right beside me in her sleep.

I feel like the world has been falling apart since Lily has been gone, I know I have, that's for sure.

We buried her in the park beside a creek under a picturesque tree about a block from her favorite place that we lived.

Now that I say that, maybe I have already told you? Jeez I don't remember. Anyway, hope you guys are doing well out there.

Your cat Lily died? Dang! My cat Lily died a year ago at about 12 years old from Cat AIDS. That was such a horrendous experience. And she was a rescue cat, rescued by a stray Tom cat that had adopted us. He found her somewhere in my neighborhood & brought her to my back door & wanted me to feed her. He became her protector, altho she thought he was Mom, which he hated. Nevertheless, they were both great cats... the best cats I've ever had. The Tom cat died 2 weeks ago. He was incredible. He was 14. It's been a really tough 2 weeks. I know how you feel.

The last couple years have been extremely difficult, sad, & stressful. Almost everyone I know is feeling like the world is falling apart. I really appreciate my wife & son being around & we all try & keep each other from getting bad attitudes, like earlier this week when I was doing our taxes & ranting about how unnecessarily hard TurboTax has become. I managed to survive that torture chamber 1 more year. Feels so good to relax now!

I suppose on the kratom forum I should say something about kratom. I can't find good reds anywhere. I have some good ones in my collection from years ago, but nothing from the last 2 years. Traditional Red Dayak, Red Ryder, both from TFH, are standouts that are just about gone. I get the impression that over-harvesting has taken its toll. I thought Thailand was going to open up to getting into the kratom business & then we could get some premier old wild leaves. Haven't heard anything about that.

[mivanqua]

Yep, even when people DID have Thai leaf, it was always greens or occasionally ferments, never a straight red. I got some of the Burakorn red leaf when it was available at Wildcraft, and honestly it hit me more like a green would. I don't know, I basically feel the same, and maybe all of this Old Forest Leaf business is just a marketing gimmick. I've got some banging reds too and like you, they are a'dwindling fast. If they illegalize it, it's going to be a "use it at home and that's it" kinda situation. I'm not trying to get s felony for some leaf no matter how important it is to me. Probably none of us are.

[herbalhippie]

Speaking of old, bangin' reds....I just got myself out a treat, some things I haven't used for a LONG time.

SOSA Baik Bali 8-19 and 9-10 and Speciosa Life Red Bali 2.

These are tail-end bags with maybe 100 grams left in each. I still have sealed bags of all three but those are my end-of-the-world treats. lol

[WhiteAngelica]

We either need to actively try and save this place and the friendships developed over the years. I felt like at one point, people were just trying to make a requisite number of posts to get in swap sell, but I also think the lack of participation is discouraging for those who review leaf. Thoughts, like others brought up:

-Bans. Coming here might be like ripping off your skin and rolling in saltwater.

-the 7oH crew and the bifurcation of the community.

-The weird, self conscious demoralizing feeling of when you post something and no one replies. Then you are no longer feeling encouraged to post. I would take a break, come back and see no movement. Yes, I needed help and suggestions and feedback and reviews, but meanwhile, MeWe was weakening at the same time.

-Vendor loss. We could go through a whole list if we wanted, and this was a long time ago but losing Botanical Bunny was brutal for me. Then, not in chronological order, Heavenleaf, Dennette, and Liza died. I do not know the status of Rhino but I don't hear anything about the actual leaf, just on MeWe I get the sense that some vendors are enjoying being parents and vendorship doesn't come first. I believe this extends to Wildcraft and perhaps other vendors I will not mention that have slowed down and their menus are frozen in time. Not sure if anyone noticed, but Treasure House had to close because of the ban in CT. All these small vendors that seemed to pop out of nowhere are not lasting or I don't hear too much from them. Folks here often talk about a specific vendor offering 'pumps' that people seem to really like, but I'm a Luddite and want green powder in a bag that has been tested. Someone posted about RVA. Try him? If you are into the high mitra thing, the Red Hulu has consistently posed the highest red mitra % and last I knew, was a day red. It is worth the order. That said, I have gone out on a limb and made orders and have a big box of stuff I cannot use and never will. Again, old timey me: I can't really do extract or liquid extract, which I have gotten both as a generous freebie or for other reasons, and a giant box full of greens, some whites, or blends that I just can't swing. I also don't do fermented reds, so where I order from has become so extremely important. I don't know what to do with all the extra I cannot use, and if I go on a leaf and make purchases from vendors I'm not totally secure with, I will end up adding to the infinity stash.

-I would love to either try and revitalize the community by us like, making a post a day for 30 days to see if we can bring it back to life. (Just don't mock my crappy reviews, I'm trying). Otherwise, I suggest a group chat of vintage people, vintage members, the engaged and those who feel like they are sad and like they lost a community.

-Another thought: some in this community are kratomites because of pain and medical conditions. Mine has grown much, much worse. There are days where it is hard to even move my thumbs across a board, but I am isolated and miss the folks I knew from Double M and even before that, Reddit but even before that, Kratom Connoisseurs and ILoveKratom dot com. I have been in this forever. The reality is, the last three years I was running around at top speed because of my partner's breast cancer. She was supposed to die. She hasn't yet. Now I am the one doing badly. I don't want to just disappear and not have people know what happened to me. I need to will my stash, dammit!

So, we either pump this place with a 30 day participation challenge or swap contact info for a group chat/forum. Unless you are happy with 7OH and doing your thing...and if leaf is now illegal in your state, I can't imagine the pain you are going through but we do need a deep dive, as the kids call it now, into other herbals that can help or work similarly. I believe part of Drew from DTE's master plan is to expand his offerings to include kratom alternatives. I think it's wise if we all become familiar with them. I actually tried to go back to prescription meds in the past month, and they don't work. At all. Kratom actually works better for me than the very stuff they try to scare people about on the news. I don't know if I am immune, but that other stuff I shant name is like taking a Tylenol that actually works, but that is all. My pain levels are high, probably higher than humans should actually have and I can't afford insurance. I don't want to talk about it. I'm losing hair and muscle mass and look like I'm dying. Between caregiving and not having the resources, despite having a chronic and congenital illness, haven't seen a doctor in 4 years. The kind of pain I have had become more complex and is worsening, and I'm fully aware there may be a big, big problem. I am trying to fight to get the insurance back, but there is only so much my slumped over body can do--thank you, day reds, for making the minimal expectations possible.

There are some signs. I don't have a good feeling about this. But I will stick around if others will, and if I'm shouting into the void, I will ask if you want to about I a separate void with me so I feel less like I'm trying to be seen. I will review leaf. The reviews will suck, but you know what is better? Sucky reviews that are written without heart. I don't see this place as a means to an end to get in the Trading Post. Sorry if it sounds bitter. I'm actually not bitter at all, but sore and just want the old days where people wrote about kratom they tried. Off to write a craptastic review now, and ask I guess that will possibly get dusty. Here we go.

I love who I love and you know who you are.

[mivanqua]

Im going to yell out into that fucking void right alongside you. That was the whole point of the mmmmspeciosa experiment. Something different for a change.
This is an amazing place and I don't want to see it die and feel like if it dies, I will die right alongside² it. That's genuinely how I feel about kratom. If there is no kratom, what's to keep me honest? What's to keep me giving a shit about any of the dumb bullshit I'm forced to do daily. Three hour round trip to and from work? I don't see myself doing any of that stuff if there is no kratom to keep me interested.

FUCK THEM for doing this to us for the sole reason of making more money for their multi-multi-fucking billionaire (and we all know what they do with their glorious billions now) scumbag bank accounts.

I just have to horde horde horde and hope my stash outlives me, and at this rate, life-wise, that certainly isn't out of the question..

All that to say here I am witcha hoping for the best.
I'm still trying to get to know the Wildcraft red that they dropped, as far as our relationship, "it's complicated...'

I'm working on it though, and as soon as I get a handle on it, I'm going to review it appropriately. I know it's decent and I think it's just getting lost on me somehow and I don't know why. The one thing that I DO know is that it doesn't like bedfellows and sometimes that includes me, sadly.

Stupid shit also pisses me off after I've taken it, which is like low-grade opi- rage, which is another sign that it's good kratom.

Anyway, nuff said you get the idea.

[heme2016]

Haven't posted much of anything for a long while, but I still find this site useful, and I really appreciate you folks who do reviews. Thank you!

[DirtyPawsBotanicals]

Maybe it's all the bad publicity that they've been drumming up about 7OH lately? I don't know. My business account got deleted off IG, which caused a domino effect somehow of getting my personal IG permabanned for NO REASON, other than vague relation behind the scenes. I had that account for 15 years, ALL my photos, family and otherwise ALL GONE in a blink because the internet is full of Karens.

[Lokey]

I haven't checked in here in months as a lot of things happened in my life and it's funny I came on here today because the other day I needed to make oblates and I pulled out a storage bag with one of my last purchases from Denette. I was so grateful I have it and started reminiscing about my time on here and thought about how long its been and made a mental note to check in. Fortunately I bought a lot from Denette but some of my bags started getting too low. I didn't hear that about DTE, I get emails about the group but haven't kept up. I also tried 7OH and had a bad experience. At first I loved them, got the Mocha tabs that are tasty abd also tried another flavor good also. But I was nibbling on them too much, started getting mental fog, hair started falling out, stopped caring about appearance, and health issues worsened. Woke up one might severe withdrawals, whole body rls (never even had rls in my life, had to keep jerking my whole body) and bad anxiety. Xanax helped calm me down to sleep. Was living with 91 year old mom who had health issues and she passed in August. Since then I take only powder but took awhile for it to work and I still feel like I didn't recover completely! I also kept some of it but consider it like poison.

This is a nice post to see I'm not the only one who's life has been challenging and have been away for a while. I'm grateful for kratom and sorry it's going through all the bans and hurting vendors and people who need it.

[Madvillain626]

Yeah thank god for Kratom when the rain comes down. I only have 2 bags of D615 left and I cherish them.