7oh

[Pixiedust]

I'm genuinely curious and I'd like to have a conversation about it. Why do you like 7oh? Do you think 7oh is going to be the downfall of this community? I see mixed things about it. I haven't touched it, and won't touch it, but that's just my preference. I'm curious as to why people enjoy it so much.

[Mossy7]

I tried 7oh for the first time a few months ago. I like it for a few different reasons. It’s super convenient. I can take a quarter of a tablet, chew it up and dissolve under my tongue with a pleasant taste and feel nice, relaxing effects that also help pain and discomfort. I usually combine it with only 1 g of kratom powder. I’ve tried with my regular dose and it was too much. I felt too tired. I only use 7oh maybe 2 times a week. Sometimes 3. I don’t abuse it. I think it’s gotten a lot of negative comments because certain people abuse it and take it several times a day every day, looking to get high. It does boost mood and is slightly euphoric. I don’t find it addictive because I won’t allow it. However, I do use kratom daily but in very small doses, so I definitely am dependent on it but don’t have any negative effects from it at all. As long as I keep doses low.

[dimmitree]

I prefer kratom, but I've never taken more than 10mg. It is really nice to supplement it with kratom, though. Say 2-4mg with a couple grams of kratom is a nice, mellow buzz. Also, the body processes a portion of mitragynine to 7-oh on first pass, so it's not like people who use kratom aren't already using 7-oh.

I also don't like getting fucked up on drugs anymore, though, so it could be more of a danger to someone who does.

[e_poison]

I don't think it will be the downfall of the online kratom community, but it definitely has caused some division. I'm seeing arguments erupt on various platforms. It has become the hot topic lately. As far as Double M is concerned, I may go ahead and create a separate subforum for it but I'm going to let it play out a bit more and see what happens. For now, we will continue to allow all discussion of it.

I've never tried it, and I have no plans to at this time.

[herbalhippie]

I've never tried it, and I have no plans to at this time.

Same.

[wolfman5874]

I started using 7oh back around Feb. The guy at the smoke shop gave me a free tablet with my purchase. I didnt even know it existed until then.

I really enjoy it. Gives you a nice mood boost with a little bit of euphoria. You can take it and still complete daily tasks without feeling high.

I still love kratom and kratom extract. There are a couple online vendors that offer tablets that are 20/20 MIT/7oh full spectrum so you get the best of both worlds and I really like those the best.

[MikeEdoessomething]

I started using 7oh back around Feb. The guy at the smoke shop gave me a free tablet with my purchase. I didnt even know it existed until then.

I really enjoy it. Gives you a nice mood boost with a little bit of euphoria. You can take it and still complete daily tasks without feeling high.

I still love kratom and kratom extract. There are a couple online vendors that offer tablets that are 20/20 MIT/7oh full spectrum so you get the best of both worlds and I really like those the best.

I agree that tables that are a mix of 7oh and MIT work the best by far, and you won't need as much 7oh when done together (for me this is anywhere between 2-10mg 7oh) and that helps keep tolerance low

What vendors do you use that you like that have combo 7oh/MIT tablets?

[Kelleytoons]

I'm genuinely curious and I'd like to have a conversation about it. Why do you like 7oh? Do you think 7oh is going to be the downfall of this community? I see mixed things about it. I haven't touched it, and won't touch it, but that's just my preference. I'm curious as to why people enjoy it so much.

Since you asked.

What I will say is that my experiences all come from folks (like myself) suffering from such extreme pain that NOTHING ELSE works. Not oxy, not kratom, nothing. For those of us 7oh is a Godsend and I will keep praising and supporting it with every single breath of my body.

Will it end kratom? Of course not - folks are just being foolish to think so. Legislators don't need an excuse to end kratom, and they could easily specify 7oh if they just wanted to ban it. People overreact but they do about everything. Big Pharma will end kratom if it gets too big of a problem for them and NOTHING ANYONE can do about it will help.

You may not touch it now but I can promise you that one day (assuming you don't die young) you will. And then you will praise the Lord it's available to you.

[Pixiedust]

I don't think it will be the downfall of the online kratom community, but it definitely has caused some division. I'm seeing arguments erupt on various platforms. It has become the hot topic lately. As far as Double M is concerned, I may go ahead and create a separate subforum for it but I'm going to let it play out a bit more and see what happens. For now, we will continue to allow all discussion of it.

I've never tried it, and I have no plans to at this time.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of division on the topic. I've seen a lot more posts on here talking about it, so I was curious as to why. I've seen plenty of posts on reddit talking about how hard it is to come off of, which is one reason I haven't touched it. Whether they were taking it once in a while or taking lots of it, I'd rather not personally test the waters. Especially with my previous addictions. I'm not going to fault someone for taking it if it helps, it's just not something that I'd be willing to try. I also think there needs to be more research on it.

[Pixiedust]

I'm genuinely curious and I'd like to have a conversation about it. Why do you like 7oh? Do you think 7oh is going to be the downfall of this community? I see mixed things about it. I haven't touched it, and won't touch it, but that's just my preference. I'm curious as to why people enjoy it so much.

Since you asked.

What I will say is that my experiences all come from folks (like myself) suffering from such extreme pain that NOTHING ELSE works. Not oxy, not kratom, nothing. For those of us 7oh is a Godsend and I will keep praising and supporting it with every single breath of my body.

Will it end kratom? Of course not - folks are just being foolish to think so. Legislators don't need an excuse to end kratom, and they could easily specify 7oh if they just wanted to ban it. People overreact but they do about everything. Big Pharma will end kratom if it gets too big of a problem for them and NOTHING ANYONE can do about it will help.

You may not touch it now but I can promise you that one day (assuming you don't die young) you will. And then you will praise the Lord it's available to you.

I'm glad it's helping you get relief. One of the things that I'm concerned about is you said that 7oh helps more than oxy, which you would need a prescription for. The fact that it works better than oxy, yet you can find it in a shop worries me. There's anti kratom people out there, and even former kratom users that are trying to get it banned. Many of those people were taking copious amounts, yet blame the plant because of how deep they got themselves into. They don't take accountability and that's one reason I asked if it could be a downfall.

I know there's a lot of division on this topic and I appreciate everyone being civil towards one another instead of arguing like I've seen on other platforms.

[wolfman5874]

I started using 7oh back around Feb. The guy at the smoke shop gave me a free tablet with my purchase. I didnt even know it existed until then.

I really enjoy it. Gives you a nice mood boost with a little bit of euphoria. You can take it and still complete daily tasks without feeling high.

I still love kratom and kratom extract. There are a couple online vendors that offer tablets that are 20/20 MIT/7oh full spectrum so you get the best of both worlds and I really like those the best.

I agree that tables that are a mix of 7oh and MIT work the best by far, and you won't need as much 7oh when done together (for me this is anywhere between 2-10mg 7oh) and that helps keep tolerance low

What vendors do you use that you like that have combo 7oh/MIT tablets?

I typically use Kratom Distro. They have a Strawberry Limeade 20/20 that is really good. There is only 1 other vendor that I know of that has these type of tablets and thats 7oh Tab World but last time I checked they were out. Haven't tried those yet.

[Kelleytoons]

I'm glad it's helping you get relief. One of the things that I'm concerned about is you said that 7oh helps more than oxy, which you would need a prescription for. The fact that it works better than oxy, yet you can find it in a shop worries me.

LOL - it worries Big Pharma even more.

There are LOTS of things that work better than what Big Pharma offers (don't even get me started on the jab except to say that ALL of my old friends - old enough to be your father or grandfather - did not get Wuhan because we used alternative medicine, not because we took the poison Pharma was handing out). Don't be afraid of that - even though Big Pharma wants you to.

And it's much SAFER than oxy (again - something BP does not want. They are NOT in the business of making you well. The sicker you are, the more money they make and if you just understand this basic business model you'll understand why never to trust them).

Now - the only real downside is that we aren't sure of what we are getting, particularly if we buy in some shop somewhere. This is the tradeoff, and is why you should always buy from reputable dealers online who perform the tests and have them available for you to see. With that in mind this is no different than using about ten thousand other OTC remedies that, again, work a ton better than most medicines.

Again, you'll get there - when you've been around as long as I have you will understand things a lot more. It just happens, not that I'm anything special. If you live long enough your experience will inform. Just hang in there.

[Pixiedust]

I'm glad it's helping you get relief. One of the things that I'm concerned about is you said that 7oh helps more than oxy, which you would need a prescription for. The fact that it works better than oxy, yet you can find it in a shop worries me.

LOL - it worries Big Pharma even more.

There are LOTS of things that work better than what Big Pharma offers (don't even get me started on the jab except to say that ALL of my old friends - old enough to be your father or grandfather - did not get Wuhan because we used alternative medicine, not because we took the poison Pharma was handing out). Don't be afraid of that - even though Big Pharma wants you to.

And it's much SAFER than oxy (again - something BP does not want. They are NOT in the business of making you well. The sicker you are, the more money they make and if you just understand this basic business model you'll understand why never to trust them).

Now - the only real downside is that we aren't sure of what we are getting, particularly if we buy in some shop somewhere. This is the tradeoff, and is why you should always buy from reputable dealers online who perform the tests and have them available for you to see. With that in mind this is no different than using about ten thousand other OTC remedies that, again, work a ton better than most medicines.

Again, you'll get there - when you've been around as long as I have you will understand things a lot more. It just happens, not that I'm anything special. If you live long enough your experience will inform. Just hang in there.

I'm sure it does worry big pharma. The kratom community is helping people get off of pharmaceuticals. I think that in itself is incredible and shows the power of the plant. However, I do think more research is needed on 7oh before we can say that it's safer than oxys. The fact that people, even people who have experienced dope wd, are saying that 7oh is worse of a wd than dope or fent, tells me to stay away from it. That's just a personal preference. I spent a long time doing drugs and I don't need anything that will put me back in that cycle. I see posts all the time talking about the side effects.

[WhispersOfMoonlight]

I personally will not try it I don’t care how much people say it’s safer than fill in the blank… according to who? Them? And I say this respectfully I’m not trying to argue with anyone. I believe there definitely needs to be more research on this stuff but that’s just my opinion. To each their own. It’s a very controversial topic lately and I can see why, but I also see people getting nasty with each other over this topic and that’s not really necessary, I’m glad this thread as stayed civil so far. I just know for me personally I have no interest or plans on trying the stuff.

[Pixiedust]

I personally will not try it I don’t care how much people say it’s safer than fill in the blank… according to who? Them? And I say this respectfully I’m not trying to argue with anyone. I believe there definitely needs to be more research on this stuff but that’s just my opinion. To each their own. It’s a very controversial topic lately and I can see why, but I also see people getting nasty with each other over this topic and that’s not really necessary, I’m glad this thread as stayed civil so far. I just know for me personally I have no interest or plans on trying the stuff.

I agree! This has been an awesome thread so far. I'm glad I'm seeing others perspectives on it. There's so much division lately. I've seen some posts on other platforms with people arguing. Arguing doesn't gef anyone anywhere. We are all adults here. I won't touch it either because mit extracts are as strong as I will go/need. However, I'm not going to fault someone for taking it either. I think there definitely needs to be more research on it, especially before saying something is safe. Take a look at cigarettes. At one point in time, it was considered safe. Now there's warnings on every pack.

[Kelleytoons]

. Take a look at cigarettes. At one point in time, it was considered safe. Now there's warnings on every pack.

And yet they are still sold and people still smoke. (And some who do live into their 100s - research it). Indeed, the more I research, the more I'm convinced that cigarettes aren't the "devil" as they were painted to be (a lot worse things are allowed and sold. Like sugar. I kid you not - more people die from sugar than EVER died from smoking).

The government can't legislate morality - it tries, and always fails. And it shouldn't be allowed to keep folks from doing whatever the hell they want to their own bodies (but it tries). The best thing to do is be as informed as possible and then make up your own mind.

[Sityice]

Someone just died in a MrBeast video due to "Mitragynine Toxicity" which is really really horrible for Kratom in general... Maybe more research needs to go into what the cause of death was but people are already speculating that its from 7oh, not Kratom. With the attention this will bring to Kratom as a whole, its a very scary thing. I've changed my view on 7oh, I don't think its horrible I just think it is addicting and needs to be taken cautiously but a Mr Beast video will bring not just nationwide attention to this plant but worldwide attention to it and the fact that news outlets are already blaming Kratom and 7oh in the middle of the crisis going on between some states trying to ban it out of nowhere... this one genuinely scares me.

[Pixiedust]

Someone just died in a MrBeast video due to "Mitragynine Toxicity" which is really really horrible for Kratom in general... Maybe more research needs to go into what the cause of death was but people are already speculating that its from 7oh, not Kratom. With the attention this will bring to Kratom as a whole, its a very scary thing. I've changed my view on 7oh, I don't think its horrible I just think it is addicting and needs to be taken cautiously but a Mr Beast video will bring not just nationwide attention to this plant but worldwide attention to it and the fact that news outlets are already blaming Kratom and 7oh in the middle of the crisis going on between some states trying to ban it out of nowhere... this one genuinely scares me.

It seems like every death or every "kratom" theft, people are pointing their fingers towards 7oh. It may or may not be the case but it definitely needs to be known what it is. Stuff like this is not good publicity. I've already seen some states bring bans in and it also mentions 7oh. From my understanding, that's why LA is banning it in a few months, because the lawmakers grouped it all together. I fear that it's only going to get worse.

[Pixiedust]

. Take a look at cigarettes. At one point in time, it was considered safe. Now there's warnings on every pack.

And yet they are still sold and people still smoke. (And some who do live into their 100s - research it). Indeed, the more I research, the more I'm convinced that cigarettes aren't the "devil" as they were painted to be (a lot worse things are allowed and sold. Like sugar. I kid you not - more people die from sugar than EVER died from smoking).

The government can't legislate morality - it tries, and always fails. And it shouldn't be allowed to keep folks from doing whatever the hell they want to their own bodies (but it tries). The best thing to do is be as informed as possible and then make up your own mind.

What I'm saying is it was thought to be safe...until it wasn't. The same thing applies here. You may deem 7oh safe but until more research is done, we will never know. Saying that it's safe to someone that doesn't have any idea what it is, isn't a good thing. While I do agree that people should be able to make their own decisions, it's also good to educate people. Obviously you are for 7oh, and that's completely fine. The last line of yours, I agree with as well. People need to be informed as much as possible about 7oh before making a decision. That's why research, education and experience comes in.

[Sityice]

Someone just died in a MrBeast video due to "Mitragynine Toxicity" which is really really horrible for Kratom in general... Maybe more research needs to go into what the cause of death was but people are already speculating that its from 7oh, not Kratom. With the attention this will bring to Kratom as a whole, its a very scary thing. I've changed my view on 7oh, I don't think its horrible I just think it is addicting and needs to be taken cautiously but a Mr Beast video will bring not just nationwide attention to this plant but worldwide attention to it and the fact that news outlets are already blaming Kratom and 7oh in the middle of the crisis going on between some states trying to ban it out of nowhere... this one genuinely scares me.

It seems like every death or every "kratom" theft, people are pointing their fingers towards 7oh. It may or may not be the case but it definitely needs to be known what it is. Stuff like this is not good publicity. I've already seen some states bring bans in and it also mentions 7oh. From my understanding, that's why LA is banning it in a few months, because the lawmakers grouped it all together. I fear that it's only going to get worse.

It scares me... I've relied on this plant for so many things over the past 5 or 6 years... I genuinely believe that this plant saved me in so many ways. Saved me from losing my job because of anxiety, saved me from leaving my girlfriend whos now my wife and we have an amazing 18 month old, saved me from running away from my hobbies/goals/dreams, etc.... It genuinely scares me that lawmakers are trying to get rid of something so beneficial to millions of people. Way more safer and beneficial than these SSRI's they prescribe like candy or than alcohol... I unfortunately believe that this Mr Beast video will be the icing on the cake that these lawmakers need to pass whatever the heck they want to at this point. They already have been trying over and over again to ban Kratom and now you have the most popular youtuber to ever exit have someone pass away in one of his videos due to "kratom" is enough for them to push any legislation they want to through. Very sad but what can we do.

[Pixiedust]

It scares me... I've relied on this plant for so many things over the past 5 or 6 years... I genuinely believe that this plant saved me in so many ways. Saved me from losing my job because of anxiety, saved me from leaving my girlfriend whos now my wife and we have an amazing 18 month old, saved me from running away from my hobbies/goals/dreams, etc.... It genuinely scares me that lawmakers are trying to get rid of something so beneficial to millions of people. Way more safer and beneficial than these SSRI's they prescribe like candy or than alcohol... I unfortunately believe that this Mr Beast video will be the icing on the cake that these lawmakers need to pass whatever the heck they want to at this point. They already have been trying over and over again to ban Kratom and now you have the most popular youtuber to ever exit have someone pass away in one of his videos due to "kratom" is enough for them to push any legislation they want to through. Very sad but what can we do.

It worries me too. Kratom has helped save my life. I've been off dope for 6 years and life is better than i could have imagined. Kratom helped get me through college and I graduated and now have a decent job. Plus it's helped with other things in my life. The FDA has been trying for years go get the plant banned. There's only a few states that it's illegal to have. With that being said, yes, it is worrisome. However, all we can do when a bam arises is fight. Contact the legislators. Share your story. Sign the petitions. Do what you can to make your voice heard.

[Kelleytoons]

What I'm saying is it was thought to be safe...until it wasn't.

LOL - you clearly didn't read all of my response. The facts are that cigarettes MIGHT not be the devil they were made out to be. We are discovering more and more evidence to this point, and yet you still believe old info.

But, again, believe what you want. This is all scare tactics mostly propagated by Big Pharma so you won't use truly effective stuff. There is ZERO evidence that 7oh has caused ANY harm. Can this be changed in the future? OF COURSE it can, that's what science is all about. But panicking now and keeping people from effective treatment is really, really stupid. And pernicious. Here's a for example: lots and lots of evidence now that grass is VERY bad for your mental health is coming out. Should we now ban weed? If you are consistent you will say, yes, we should.

But remember - even with ALL the terrible evidence about smoking... guess what? It was NEVER banned. So, sure, give us whatever info you can about all this stuff. Just don't make it illegal - let folks CHOOSE. We do NOT need more government in our lives (the only people who think we do are weak willed individuals who need Papa Government to take care of them). By all means let's get whatever info we can EVEN ABOUT KRATOM. We may well find out it's not good to be consuming kratom. And that's fine - as long as we don't try and ban it.

[Pixiedust]

What I'm saying is it was thought to be safe...until it wasn't.

LOL - you clearly didn't read all of my response. The facts are that cigarettes MIGHT not be the devil they were made out to be. We are discovering more and more evidence to this point, and yet you still believe old info.

But, again, believe what you want. This is all scare tactics mostly propagated by Big Pharma so you won't use truly effective stuff. There is ZERO evidence that 7oh has caused ANY harm. Can this be changed in the future? OF COURSE it can, that's what science is all about. But panicking now and keeping people from effective treatment is really, really stupid. And pernicious. Here's a for example: lots and lots of evidence now that grass is VERY bad for your mental health is coming out. Should we now ban weed? If you are consistent you will say, yes, we should.

But remember - even with ALL the terrible evidence about smoking... guess what? It was NEVER banned. So, sure, give us whatever info you can about all this stuff. Just don't make it illegal - let folks CHOOSE. We do NOT need more government in our lives (the only people who think we do are weak willed individuals who need Papa Government to take care of them). By all means let's get whatever info we can EVEN ABOUT KRATOM. We may well find out it's not good to be consuming kratom. And that's fine - as long as we don't try and ban it.

I'm not panicking, I just think more research should be done on it. I'm not pro bans either, I think of a person does decide to take it, they should have education and be aware of potential risks. I hope you have a good day.