Average amt of powder before a strain turns off for good

[RedWhiteAndGreen]

We have all likely experienced a strain going from magical to a permanent dud after enough use (and then it probably gets listed on the Trading Post). Has anyone been able to identify about how much powder it takes for that light switch to turn off for good ?

[Madvillain626]

if it's truly fire, it works for me from beginning to end. For example, a good Denette SK Green even hits when you dose it consecutively

[RedWhiteAndGreen]

if it's truly fire, it works for me from beginning to end. For example, a good Denette SK Green even hits when you dose it consecutively

To clarify, I mean that after you've gone through maybe a kilo, some strains just forever stop working, no matter how long a break (a year, multiple years) you take from it .

[Jfish030]

Depends on the person. If you had a 3rd party to help you, friend or family. If they gave you a new bag of kratom that was the same kratom as you were using and said this is new super fire kratom. You can probably go twice as long. Placebo is a high part of effects. Subconsciously you get tired of taking the same kratom and want to chase something better. Most people should rotate strains at least every month. It will help keep things working longer. Eventually after years and years of kratom Ive come to the conclusion kratom works or doesn't and you take more and make it work. At some point your body/mind only wants mit and once you get your mit threshold completed that's it, your done for that serving.

[RedWhiteAndGreen]

Depends on the person. If you had a 3rd party to help you, friend or family. If they gave you a new bag of kratom that was the same kratom as you were using and said this is new super fire kratom. You can probably go twice as long. Placebo is a high part of effects. Subconsciously you get tired of taking the same kratom and want to chase something better. Most people should rotate strains at least every month. It will help keep things working longer. Eventually after years and years of kratom Ive come to the conclusion kratom works or doesn't and you take more and make it work. At some point your body/mind only wants mit and once you get your mit threshold completed that's it, your done for that serving.

Interesting take. I trust a seasoned vendor's input, so thank you. I put a favorite strain down for about 18 months after it stopped working, and after that break, it still had no effect so, it was tossed. I was under the impression that this was a big reason for Trading Post listings, but maybe wrong assumption. Anyone else care to chime in ?

[Kelleytoons]

The problem is we STILL don't know very much about kratom, so it all becomes anecdotal evidence at best.

While I have heard of folks who get to a "stopping point" with a batch, I find it far more often that a batch that didn't work for you (even after MANY tries) suddenly STARTS to work. If I had a batch that used to work and didn't, though, I would NEVER throw it out, as there are just WAY too many variables to be sure.

For example: did you take it at the time when things most often work for you? For most people this is first thing in the morning after not having eaten. Did you take it on an empty stomach, with enough acidic liquid (usually lemon juice but it can be a wide variety of things - with me it's Propel). Are you bowels empty? (Again, this is why first thing in the morning, after your BM, kratom tends to hit because it needs an empty GI to be most effective). And then, after ALL those variables, there is still the possibility of mixing it with other batches (again, it's a misnomer to call them strains - one particular "Red Vietnam" from the exact same supplier but with a different batch number is far different from the same supplier but a different batch).

Some day there may be hard evidence as to what is going on, but in general I think there isn't any way anyone can tell you exact numbers about ANYTHING (except - less IS more. So if something isn't hitting at 3+ grams I would DEFINITELY try it lower, as low as half a gram, really. Most kratom should work fine at 2 grams or less and that is indeed the recommended dose. Any higher doses are just going to stop the effects as you are then chasing after the burn).

[dimmitree]

I personally tend to use the same strain from the same vendor for as long as possible if it's consistent and has the right balance of effects I'm looking for. If it falls off hard in taste and effects, it's just a quality issue and I switch vendors or try another batch. I've been using the same "strain" from my current vendor for close to a year now with no drop in quality or taste.

[RedWhiteAndGreen]

I personally tend to use the same strain from the same vendor for as long as possible if it's consistent and has the right balance of effects I'm looking for. If it falls off hard in taste and effects, it's just a quality issue and I switch vendors or try another batch. I've been using the same "strain" from my current vendor for close to a year now with no drop in quality or taste.

There have been about a half dozen that were outstanding and then just dropped off in effect. And this involved pulling from the doomsday stash, so not a change on the vendor's side. I would estimate the drop-off happens somewhere between the 1 kg and 1.5 kg spot.

[RedWhiteAndGreen]

The problem is we STILL don't know very much about kratom, so it all becomes anecdotal evidence at best.

While I have heard of folks who get to a "stopping point" with a batch, I find it far more often that a batch that didn't work for you (even after MANY tries) suddenly STARTS to work. If I had a batch that used to work and didn't, though, I would NEVER throw it out, as there are just WAY too many variables to be sure.

For example: did you take it at the time when things most often work for you? For most people this is first thing in the morning after not having eaten. Did you take it on an empty stomach, with enough acidic liquid (usually lemon juice but it can be a wide variety of things - with me it's Propel). Are you bowels empty? (Again, this is why first thing in the morning, after your BM, kratom tends to hit because it needs an empty GI to be most effective). And then, after ALL those variables, there is still the possibility of mixing it with other batches (again, it's a misnomer to call them strains - one particular "Red Vietnam" from the exact same supplier but with a different batch number is far different from the same supplier but a different batch).

Some day there may be hard evidence as to what is going on, but in general I think there isn't any way anyone can tell you exact numbers about ANYTHING (except - less IS more. So if something isn't hitting at 3+ grams I would DEFINITELY try it lower, as low as half a gram, really. Most kratom should work fine at 2 grams or less and that is indeed the recommended dose. Any higher doses are just going to stop the effects as you are then chasing after the burn).

All great info here. And yes I definitely made sure those variables were accounted for. I still keep most just in case, but had to toss one bag after a years-long break and thorough experimentation. Such an interesting plant !

[pray4peace4]

I've had a strain work perfectly for 2 years before it stopped. The vendor I bought it from had changed suppliers so I chalked it up to that. How much kratom do I think I used in that 2 year period? I was dosing twice a day, 2 to 2.5g dose each, so 4 to 5 g per day. So that comes out to about 3.6 kilos if I did my math correctly. I've successfully got these suddenly dead strains to work again but it takes discipline. Drop your dose down to 1g 3x per day for 3 days. If that doesn't work, drop down to 1/2g 3x per day for 3 days. The 3rd day it almost always works.

I've had strains new to me that were duds from day 1. I decided to keep trying them exclusively for an extended time. Smiley Time strains are like that for me. So after 10 days, 3 doses 2g per day, then it all of a sudden works & has continued to work as long as I use it exclusively. Once I try another strain, that's it - party's over.

[Billiegoat]

I have experienced this but afterburner Bali from TFH has been hitting consistently for years for me. I add 250g with every order in case all else fails

[e_poison]

Some strains work for me, and some unfortunately just don't. I rotate frequently, although I've found if I really enjoy a particular of batch of something I can get effects off it for weeks or longer without having to rotate other strains in. This is such a weird leaf.

[Hulu2021]

I have had some that continue to work, and others that stop working; and i’m not even sure if it’s the amount/threshold that makes that happen,
it just seems like certain ones continue to work and others don’t, but i have no idea for sure.

That’s a good question.

i’ve had some that work incredible at first and then never again,
but others that work everytime it’s weird