Kratom and Adderall

[cheddarbear]

So I recently was prescribed adderall XR for adhd and was wondering if anyone else here is a kratom user and also on this or similar medication. This morning I started the med and I was actually comfortable not having my normal morning scoop. Now that it's later in the night I was thinking of having some mitraman red bali (batch I got in september is dope btw) but just wasn't sure about the interaction. Probably gonna take my chances but just wanted to see if anyone has any thoughts. Thanks guys.

Disclaimer: No i'm not going to ask my psychiatrist LOL and i'm not expecting to get a Doctor's opinion here.

[acct55]

I can't emphasize enough that this is not advice in anyway and I'm not a doctor. With that disclaimer out of the way, here's my opinion on this:

You should try to avoid taking kratom and your medication together. They are both dopaminergic [among other things], and generally speaking will feel as if they're potentiating each other's effects.

I'm not saying you can't mix them--just that you need to be careful.

I would monitor your blood pressure and heart rate every so often.

[e_poison]

Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor but I did some quick google-fu on the potential interactions between the two.

Doesn't seem to be anything to be overly concerned about from a chemical standpoint if you are otherwise physically healthy and don't have any health issues (high blood pressure, heart problems, etc). Still though, I personally wouldn't take them at the same time.

If you are going to be taking both, I'd say 6 hours apart minimum from each other to be on the safe side. Ideally though, just take 1 or the other.

[Timothycd21]

I prescribed to 30 mg daily, I have been doing this combo for long time. You will be perfectly fine. HOWEVER, I AM NOT A DOCTOR AND I AM JUST TELLING YOU MY THOUGHS based on MY personal experience. However, I have a mini 3rd arm growing out of my ass and I blame the combo. AT YOUR OWN RISK. In all serious though, no third arm but that would be sweet. I've been just fine and I know a few others as well who do the same.

[cheddarbear]

Thanks guys. So I ended up trying a red strain at night and it went fine. Sleeping on this stuff has been a bitch so the kratom definitely helped a bit.

[brave777]

My personal opinion, if you use adderall everyday, i would not mix those two in any way. If you do, max 1 or 2 grams not more, i see it very safe. My logic when you do try to cold turkey off both, negatives side might over power if you use over 2 grams per day of kratom, sure i understand kratom is not harsh and very light side effects but i think it might be not a good idea to mix, if you feel well and great on Adderall no need to increase any magic effects to it. Or if you feeling perfectly fine with kratom, no need to take adderall at all. The less dragons you chase the better off you are in life without any extra surprises. I dont see any sense in taking adderall at all if you feeling good in general, and have no panic attacks or other weird health issue, did you guys read all the side effects from adderall? its a big scary list. So think twice before taking Adderall, i am not a doc but my personal logic opinion tells me its best to use it only in emergency situations like you cant focus that day, or if you feeling anti social but need to socialize and you have no choice, or other strange issues. If got none, why take? Kratom does tke care of most of the issues if you got the right batch. Also if you live in legal weed state, get some THC edible or something, that will over power the adderall and sleep will be good. Or else Valerian root if edibles not aloud in your state. You could get the watered down version of thc edibles that every state sells but you might have it eat just a ton more. I dont know just some random idea's. chamomiles tea will always do a soft overpower to make you fall asleep, try that?

[Herba Rosa]

So I recently was prescribed adderall XR for adhd and was wondering if anyone else here is a kratom user and also on this or similar medication. This morning I started the med and I was actually comfortable not having my normal morning scoop. Now that it's later in the night I was thinking of having some mitraman red bali (batch I got in september is dope btw) but just wasn't sure about the interaction. Probably gonna take my chances but just wanted to see if anyone has any thoughts. Thanks guys.

Disclaimer: No i'm not going to ask my psychiatrist LOL and i'm not expecting to get a Doctor's opinion here.

I also have a prescription for Adderall XR 20mg, but I only take it twice per week and take 2 20mg caps instead of just one.

It can be risky to take both at the same time. I recommend waiting 5-6 hours after taking your pills before dosing w/ kratom.
Ideally, you'd want to wait until you're coming down on the stimulant. If you do that, the kratom gives you a second wind.
Green strains tend to work best for that situation. Reds help bring you down at night.

Don't take any of this as legitimate medical advice though. Just sharing my personal experience. You're probably gonna love the combo.

[Herba Rosa]

Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor but I did some quick google-fu on the potential interactions between the two.

Doesn't seem to be anything to be overly concerned about from a chemical standpoint if you are otherwise physically healthy and don't have any health issues (high blood pressure, heart problems, etc). Still though, I personally wouldn't take them at the same time.

If you are going to be taking both, I'd say 6 hours apart minimum from each other to be on the safe side. Ideally though, just take 1 or the other.

Exactly! 6 hours minimum. Agreed.

[drewbz86]

I’ve been taking 30mg twice daily with Kratom for 8 years. I use a healthy amount of Kratom throughout the day, at least 15 grams. I haven’t noticed any negative interactions and I get annual bloodwork which comes back perfectly fine.

[Toppy]

Listen I'll tell you MY EXPERIENCE. I take 75mg XR adderal in the early am, 60 mg Instant at lunch and 60mg instant around dinner. I take 1.5-3.5g every 2-4 hours, I've been doing this combo for about 3 months now. Honestly, the adderral sometimes dulls the effects of certain strains, BUT others it enhances. It's all trial and error (rEsPoNsiBLy) and everyone's chemical makeup is different, so what you may feel on say, 3g of green thai plus 30mg of adderral could quite possibly be very different from what I experience on that same mix.

[BlatePapes]

Just wanted to give my two cents as well..

I'm prescribed 30mg twice a day, but I take about 25mg a day total, split into two doses. And I take Sunday and sometimes Saturday off too.

They've never interacted negatively with me when taken correctly, but please understand that this is what is called a "speedball." This mixture is the ultimate combination that most drug users eventually come upon (with stronger chemicals, of course). So nonetheless, do not forget that!

None of us know how they may affect us further down the road. Taking Amphetamines creates more brain plaque (which is what's suspected to cause dementia) and as such you need to sleep more for your brain to clear it out everyday. I usually need about 7.5-8 hours of sleep without adderall.

With adderall, I need about 9-10 hours for a full nights rest. Remember always to eat enough, and take epsom salt or another magesium, and Himalayan pink salt to replenish lost electrolytes (Magnesium is a must, I've learned through experience).

EDIT:
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Forgot to add, take Vitamin C about 4 hours before bed. This speeds up the clearance of adderall from your body, and it lowers it's effect immediately. This is one of the only drugs I know of that can be hurried out of your system, which is a blessing in terms of getting to sleep at night easily. As for the type of vitamin C, this is very important too.

I take Acerola Cherry powder, (in a pape of course). I used to take normal ascorbic acid, but it didn't always work well and made me have to get up for the first 5 hours of sleep every hour or so to take a piss. I learned last month that it's because our bodies don't absorb the vitamin c from ascorbic acid right. Since I switched to take about 3 grams of acerola powder along with a sip of OJ, I haven't had to piss once and the adderall immediately stops working, and I get super tired.
I REPEAT, DON'T FORGET TO TAKE ACEROLA CHERRY (FOR VITAMIN C) 3 HOURS BEFORE BED. I PROMISE, YOU WILL THANK ME A THOUSAND TIMES OVER.
______________________

I will tell you, used correctly, adderall is an EXCELLENT tool. But incorrectly, and it is much more destructive. I see you got the XR, that is good (however I am against the artificial coloring they use in their capsules).

Always remember, it is a means to a productive end. Otherwise, it is not a good idea!

[HeatherLelane]

Blate Plates has it right. And I'm definitely going to start a lot of their suggestions. Adderall combined with certain kratom (it all hits differently, even here) is the best buzz I've ever had so I'm sure there's definite dangers to it. It also seemed to really up my kratom tolerance and doubled my dosage, even when not taking it together.

[BlatePapes]

Blate Plates has it right. And I'm definitely going to start a lot of their suggestions. Adderall combined with certain kratom (it all hits differently, even here) is the best buzz I've ever had so I'm sure there's definite dangers to it. It also seemed to really up my kratom tolerance and doubled my dosage, even when not taking it together.

Hmm. I think it has to do with the dopamine increase from both of them, and that you can take more opioids because you also don't notice their effects as much while on the adderall. The epsom salt/magnesium may help that.

I am pretty much on maintenance with them both, with breaks off the adderall here and there. I notice that the opioid effect makes it much easier to not take adderall and have no issues.

Say you want to take a quick break from adderall, it's no problem if you take kratom. As long as I sleep until I'm not tired, I get up and take kratom and am fully motivated, just not "adderall motivated." So that's a benefit of taking them both too. It makes it easier to not take one if you have the other.

[kratomuser72]

Kratom is great for the adderall comedown but it won't put you to sleep if you're too wired. The problem with amphetamine is that it's SO strong, it overpowers anything else. I used to get suicidal comedowns and a dose of kratom would pull me right out of it for about an hour or two feeling nice, but then it would wear off and the comedown would come back.

[BlatePapes]

Kratom is great for the adderall comedown but it won't put you to sleep if you're too wired. The problem with amphetamine is that it's SO strong, it overpowers anything else. I used to get suicidal comedowns and a dose of kratom would pull me right out of it for about an hour or two feeling nice, but then it would wear off and the comedown would come back.

I completely understand and relate, as my early to mid 20s was quite the shit-show. You're right in that it's the strongest, which is why using it is a slippery slope for many people.

A good indicator is whether or not you take it as a means to an end. Use of adderall should only be for accomplishing a task or daily goal, such as studying, propelling a business forward, etc. Taking it just to take it is a big no go!

It's all a matter of what is most important to us. If it's taking drugs that's most important, that's a scary direction to be headed in!

[HappyHugs]

I'm not a doctor and anything that I type/say/write should not be taken as medical advice or any type of guidance, it is purely information and my experience (okay disclaimer done haha)

Can You Take Kratom And Adderall Together? (My Experience)

Hey there-

I titled this like a blog post so I hope my experience can help you

Yes I have a few posts, I'm new here as of this week (hi guys!), but I have 6+ years of daily kratom use experience (5-6g/at a time, 4-5x day)

In my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, kratom and adderall don't interact. If anything, if the adderall causes some "jitterbugs" or racing thoughts, taking a more relaxing kratom strain can even me out in 20-30 min (depending on whether or not you have a HIGH QUALITY source)

At its worse- kratom doesn't hit, you feel shitty, you have some anxiety/racing-thoughts, you wear it off

At its best- they synergize together and you just feel more focused

Kratom and adderall don't interact but they also aren't the perfect combo, just kind of are-what-they-are

There are MUCH better combinations to take with kratom if you're looking for a boost in certain areas like socially beating anxiety or sexual anxiety/performance etc, but I won't get into all that here

Long story short- its all good

BTW- I've told doctors I take kratom, it's no big deal. But I understand not wanting to tell yours

Talk soon,
Mike

[Arob1000]

I would be careful about this…mixing stimulants is never a great idea…think about lowering your dose of each of you really want to try this.

[holl0waytape]

When I did this I would take my Adderall and only use red strains if I used any kratom at all. Greens and whites tended to make things unpleasant and overstimulating for me.

[Adorable45Deplorable]

I actually began kratom as a way to sort of take the edge of the adderall. I no longer take adderall thank g-d and although nothing alike really, my whites and greens have really taken its place in my morning ritual.

[asafeharbor1]

I used to be prescribed adderal, 30mg a day. I never found any significant interaction with Kratom and it. Definitely think it’s safe to take together

[HeatherLelane]

Just wanted to give my two cents as well..

I'm prescribed 30mg twice a day, but I take about 25mg a day total, split into two doses. And I take Sunday and sometimes Saturday off too.

They've never interacted negatively with me when taken correctly, but please understand that this is what is called a "speedball." This mixture is the ultimate combination that most drug users eventually come upon (with stronger chemicals, of course). So nonetheless, do not forget that!

None of us know how they may affect us further down the road. Taking Amphetamines creates more brain plaque (which is what's suspected to cause dementia) and as such you need to sleep more for your brain to clear it out everyday. I usually need about 7.5-8 hours of sleep without adderall.

With adderall, I need about 9-10 hours for a full nights rest. Remember always to eat enough, and take epsom salt or another magesium, and Himalayan pink salt to replenish lost electrolytes (Magnesium is a must, I've learned through experience).

EDIT:
_____________________
Forgot to add, take Vitamin C about 4 hours before bed. This speeds up the clearance of adderall from your body, and it lowers it's effect immediately. This is one of the only drugs I know of that can be hurried out of your system, which is a blessing in terms of getting to sleep at night easily. As for the type of vitamin C, this is very important too.

I take Acerola Cherry powder, (in a pape of course). I used to take normal ascorbic acid, but it didn't always work well and made me have to get up for the first 5 hours of sleep every hour or so to take a piss. I learned last month that it's because our bodies don't absorb the vitamin c from ascorbic acid right. Since I switched to take about 3 grams of acerola powder along with a sip of OJ, I haven't had to piss once and the adderall immediately stops working, and I get super tired.
I REPEAT, DON'T FORGET TO TAKE ACEROLA CHERRY (FOR VITAMIN C) 3 HOURS BEFORE BED. I PROMISE, YOU WILL THANK ME A THOUSAND TIMES OVER.
______________________

I will tell you, used correctly, adderall is an EXCELLENT tool. But incorrectly, and it is much more destructive. I see you got the XR, that is good (however I am against the artificial coloring they use in their capsules).

Always remember, it is a means to a productive end. Otherwise, it is not a good idea!

also, what kind of magnesium to you take?

[BlatePapes]

also, what kind of magnesium to you take?

Epsom salt! Or pure magnesium sulfate crystals! It's typically used to either pour in and soak sore muscles in a bathtub, or as an instant bowel destroyer of doom. But 1 gram a day won't do anything but help, in my experience.

We only use unflavored bulk powders you can buy on the cheap, then mix them all together in an herb/mushroom/supplement powder mix we take everyday using oblates.

[brave777]

Just want to trow in one thing that i recommended in real life to few people who prescribed Adderal. Oakstraw, search on amazon.com. If you ever stand in front of toilet over 5 secs or 30 secs or even 1 min, thousands suffer from same side effects, mostly caused by adderal. You will pee instant, not even waiting 1 second if you pull out fast enough. Magic word "OAKSTRAW" make sure its organic... Make sure get loose and make tea, th more scoops you add the faster it acts... test around what your amount is... Tested thousands times myself... you welcome.

Susun weed such angel and knows so many abut herbs that actually work for different things.. here is how you can also prepare it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj9pO1PNHuI , thats if you want to make it strong infusions... i done it before and i have to say it is a lot stronger then any tea eaither boiling or pouring over.... you pretty much can do infusions of any favorite herbs... If any women buy her books, all get fertile and very healthy. def follow some of her vids... i wish she lived next door. Sometimes i wondered about doing kratom infusion... never did thought. would be cool to try, close lid, when it cools, put in fridge and see if it becomes even more stronger? avoiding the boiling and pressure pot since that takes more time. who knows.

[Valikth]

Ok I found this ...when searching for interaction between meth and kratom. I dont need a lecture. I'm just..a recovering meth(smoking) and alcoholic addict.
I quit both the last yr n half ive used kratom. But I'm afraid circumstances may arise where I'll drink or smoke ice and be on kratom cuz I'm now a daily user. I haven't mixed it with anything. But I'm worried I might??!!
...and I want to know how serious interactions are and I'm finding it hard to find any!!! Info combining the two. Or even three. (I smoked meth... n drank alcohol daily..even used adderall occassionally. And etizolam. But not opiates.
... . in huge excess of both meth n alcohol (a handle of vodka a day drinker and a t minimum split of meth daily with my ex) cuz I was homeless n trapped in a bad abusive relationship where he beat me regularly n almost killed me several times I suffered brain damage. All my teeth being kicked out. Broken bones. Etc...so. Yeah. He was a user it was hard for me to not self medicate when every other day he was hurting me. No excuses
But why can't I find interaction info. Even. Erowid. There's very little

[KurtisCards]

How is everyone on adderal I can’t even get a doctor to give me anything, even when I have legitimate reasons.

[Kelleytoons]

Ok I found this ...when searching for interaction between meth and kratom. I dont need a lecture. I'm just..a recovering meth(smoking) and alcoholic addict.
I quit both the last yr n half ive used kratom. But I'm afraid circumstances may arise where I'll drink or smoke ice and be on kratom cuz I'm now a daily user. I haven't mixed it with anything. But I'm worried I might??!!
...and I want to know how serious interactions are and I'm finding it hard to find any!!! Info combining the two. Or even three. (I smoked meth... n drank alcohol daily..even used adderall occassionally. And etizolam. But not opiates.
... . in huge excess of both meth n alcohol (a handle of vodka a day drinker and a t minimum split of meth daily with my ex) cuz I was homeless n trapped in a bad abusive relationship where he beat me regularly n almost killed me several times I suffered brain damage. All my teeth being kicked out. Broken bones. Etc...so. Yeah. He was a user it was hard for me to not self medicate when every other day he was hurting me. No excuses
But why can't I find interaction info. Even. Erowid. There's very little

Not gonna lecture - we all have to do what we have to do. But can I at least point out that someone doing the things you might end up doing might not want to consider interaction between meth and kratom your biggest issue? IOW - it's a bit like someone who is drowning worrying about swallowing too much salt water and ruining their kidneys. I would focus more on how you might be able to address your biggest issues (whatever they are - there are LOTS of resources out there, from help for abused relationship, to homelessness. Take advantage of the safety net our tax dollars are paying for and get what assistance you need).

[add to descartes]

>not gonna lecture
...
>lectures

[Kelleytoons]

Facts aren't lectures.

[WeAllFloatHere7]

I took adderall for years and took kratom with it. No issues, but be careful of getting over stimulated. I only used slower greens or reds while on it but it worked extremely well to smooth out the adderall if it was too much. I'm not a doctor and its purely anecdotal, but it worked well for me.

[mivanqua]

Facts aren't lectures.

Hey i was just curious (if you don't wanna answer for some reason, i understand that, but in the interest of full disclosure, im 47, 48 in December.) how old you are. I've read you say you're at death's door and that you're really old, but i put you in your mid-sixties in my minds eye. Am i close?

YOUR OPINION MUST BE SQUASHED

- Nobody around here

[Kelleytoons]

How about this? - my daughter is older than you.

The math is pretty easy to figure out <g>. I don't have great grandchildren yet but that's not a factor of age because one of my grandkids is married and will most likely have some when they get their finances figured out and the twins are over 21 (I doubt they will EVER get married, though. I don't understand them at all). Only the youngest grandkid, at 17, is a bit away from having offspring of her own.

In my friends group we always say age is just a state of mind. So on one hand I am over 100 (because this old body has almost completely broken down). OTOH, I'm about 12 <g>.

I really hate to dwell on age much because it really doesn't matter - I have great respect for folks far younger, and some older than I am (although few :>) I think are idiots. So I'm sorry if I played that card because I truly don't think it matters unless it just shows your life experience per se isn't great. As I said, I have grandkids who are WAY too sheltered and in need of some life experience. My youngest grandkid is actually the most mature (she and I love Star Wars together).

[mivanqua]

I was just curious. You're my moms age and thats not old at all, silly! Hahaha!


I thought about something you said at a restaurant the other day, about how you used to think younger girls were showing interest (i forget your exact words, you said it succinctly as to not imply delusion, more misunderstanding) but they were just seeing their grandpa. It literally ran through my head, as Lou Reed once said "with the force of a gun." The girl was being really sweet to me and even gave me an extra sushi roll for myself (i was there for my daughter.) AND THEN IT HIT ME...she would have done the same for any grandpa she thought was "cute" (not Fabio covered in birdshit cute [remember THAT? HAHAHAHA], an old Bloodhound cute)

SO thanks for that real world insight, buddy.

[Kelleytoons]

Yeah - THAT particular piece of insight really hurt. When I realized I was absolutely no "threat", or desirable in any way. (Well, my wife still loves me, but it's not *quite* the same thing, as last night watching "Thor and Thunder" she was quite taken with nude Helmsworth :>).

OTOH, it does take some pressure off. The thing you realize is you don't need to worry at all about how you look. I mean, you don't want to look like Howard Hugues at the end of his life, but as long as your hair is combed and your clothes not in rags there isn't any worry about whether you are not "stylish" or too fat or anything other than something not to make folks turn away in disgust. In that respect it is liberating <g>.

[mivanqua]

Like everything in life, apparently, its a double-edged sword.

And at least it wasnt nude Farnsworth!

https://ibb.co/Gk8CKN6

(I remembered this from an episide but DON'T SEARCH NUDE FARNSWORTH!!! Lots of really offensive Futurama porn in the search!!!! And its REALLY hard to offend me, but that? Its like drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa!!)



Ooops im derailing a thread again. Sorry hippie. et.al.

[WhiteAngelica]

Hey! I haven't been too well and haven't been on here for a spell, but I saw Adderall and knew to chime in. I am also on the stuff--psychologically speaking, I'm on uppers, downers and candy corn--and it's partially why I can't do many greens and no whites. Reds seem to balance me out nicely and help with the chronic pain and illness that precipitated the psychiatrist's recommended pharmacopeia, swimming in my bloodstream. For pain, I'm told to bite a pillow, but gosh darn it, my ADD is sufficiently 'under control' (not so much, but anyway)

When it comes to narcotics, I worry about anyone mixing those with kratom but not for the reasons you think. My concern is that each and every supposed overdose or death from kratom doesn't exist, and only exists insofar that they are mixed in the bloodstream with the more likely culprits. Therefore, of we take narcotics with kratom, kratom's reputation is destroyed in the event of an accidental overdose and/or untimely demise.

In the roster the of 'deaths' they've chosen to associate with kratom, keep in mind the correlation only exists by how they classify the causation of OD or death. Despite an individual recreationally imbibing in a number of substances, each substance is counted and categorized as its own deadly substance. So, say a person gets dope laden with fentanyl, but they also consumed kratom, the causes of death: Fentanyl overdose, and categorized separately, kratom overdose. They actually take into account each substance in the person's system and they are individually recorded as causation for overdose and/or death. This, leading to false claims that kratom kills and thus, providing fodder for the lawmakers and the FDA with the ammunition to ban our beautiful leaf.

The FDA loathes supplements and have tried to ban those as well because they can't regulate it, can't control it, and can't profit off it. The notion of kratom leading to overdose and death is important in their campaign to criminalize Mitra Spec--actually, call it a crusade. A gentle suggestion that if kratomites like to partake in illicit substances and you are also taking kratom, please note that you may be putting yourself in jeopardy, along with the future of a plant misleadingly referred to as an opiate, an addictive substance, and one that is capable of killing people.

Fun fact: despite my health problems, I tried to test the waters by mentioning kratom to my physicians and specialists. They reacted with horror and said it was a dangerous legal high that is addictive as the pain medicine they won't ever give me in my lifetime. They honestly think people die from it. And though I'd like to be a crusader and tell the truth, I could be dismissed as a patient. It is my little secret, I guess. Just sayin', be careful. Someone could be using kratom to get off dope and relapse with a hot shot and heaven forbid the narcan isn't there, that cause of death would include H, and separately, kratom.

And this is why, had I the finances, I'd doomsday stash the hell out of it. Have to stop writing now. Feeling unwell, like I have the rabies or something. (I said RABIES. not scabies!). Love y'all...

[Bradweber1982]

Have been prescribed Adderall for years now and have been dosing kratom for about 3-4 years. Have never had any side effects from using the two together. In fact, I actually notice a decrease in my "crash" symptoms when I dose a nice red later in the day as my final dose of Adderall is wearing off.

I'm actually in the process of trying to eliminate my Adderall all together, mainly because I've been on it so long and have become much healthier (physically) so I'm trying to see if I can stop taking it or at least get on the smallest dose that works for me.

[parky]

Reading all the comments I guess I have a bit of a different experience. Important to note, in the 7 years I’ve consumed Kratom (on and off) from countless vendors, it is extremely rare to find any that has a relaxing effect. No, clue if it’s a tolerance thing or what but it doesn’t matter if it’s a micro dose or a huge one. That being said..

Years ago I was rx’d 30mg IR 2 x day and took Kratom every 4-6 hours or so during work hours. So, from 5AM to 6/7PM. My only issue at that time was if not timed right the Adderall comedown combined w Kratom would raise my pulse a bit.

Present-I stopped Adderall for years. Dr put me back on it at the same dose I was at previously and I hated it so much I only took 3 pills and told him that was a no. Few months later we revisited it at a lower dose. 20mg 2 x day. I was so freaked out at how I reacted to the 30mg that I was only taking 1/4 of a pill 2 x day lol Now that a significant amount of time has passed I’ve experimented to see what does or doesn’t work. We wanted to see if 30mg would work again as opposed to 20mg 3 x day. I can say while taking 30mg in the morning and first dose of Kratom about an hour later was my fav combo about 2 hours after. It was the worst after 4/6 hours. I mean..just no.

I agree with comments about taking Kratom hours later however that poses a problem for those that might be like me with zero energy, health issues that impact energy, pain, etc In those cases it might not be feasible to wait so long between the two. In that case, what seems to work the best is either a smaller dose of Adderall (like half of the 20mg) then reg dose of Kratom an hour or two later. If needed as close as 30 min after. OR Reg dose of Adderall and then a smaller than normal dose of Kratom same times as above. That’s me. It’s been a struggle finding the perfect combo with the two. I take them for different reasons and I do feel the less is more theory can apply here.

Note, I got a fancy Apple Watch as a present and I do recommend it or any type of watch that monitors pulse. It is EXTREMELY helpful in figuring out what works and doesn’t work for you. There were times I had no clue my pulse had gone up, I didn’t feel it at all and then my watch alerted me, hey you ok? Some of the combos I will never repeat are on that list due to my watch and pulse data.

Last thing for anyone stumbling on this. It’s easy to forget stuff when taking Adderall, keep a diary. Use your notes app. You always have your phone. It will help you remember what combos you like and which you don’t. Bad experiences not to repeat etc or even better it will help you repeat awesome days. Don’t forget to eat and for God’s sake HYDRATE. K love you bye