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Problem was this was being marketed as a 'dietary supplement' I think.

Wow, that's a lot of kratom!

So disturbing

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:21 pm https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... 59ce8.html

Problem was this was being marketed as a 'dietary supplement' I think.

Isn't Feel Free the stuff in those little blue bottles?

Yep. It's this garbino:

https://ibb.co/f43JXkf

Tried it once when I still did greens and it was SUPER strong. I only drank half. At least they do put kratom in there, I have always kinda wondered.

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:35 am

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:21 pm https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... 59ce8.html

Problem was this was being marketed as a 'dietary supplement' I think.

Isn't Feel Free the stuff in those little blue bottles?

Yep. It's this garbino:

https://ibb.co/f43JXkf

Tried it once when I still did greens and it was SUPER strong. I only drank half. At least they do put kratom in there, I have always kinda wondered.

https://urbanicebotanicals.com/product/ ... ess-tonic/


It's Urban Ice, Ballz has mentioned them before.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9303&p=93824&hilit=urban+ice#p93824

I'm sure Ballz will have something to say about this turn of events.


Here's an old thread from 2019, it's the guy that was in Leaf of Faith

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2243

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 7:48 am

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:35 am

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:21 pm https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... 59ce8.html

Problem was this was being marketed as a 'dietary supplement' I think.

Isn't Feel Free the stuff in those little blue bottles?

Yep. It's this garbino:

https://ibb.co/f43JXkf

Tried it once when I still did greens and it was SUPER strong. I only drank half. At least they do put kratom in there, I have always kinda wondered.

https://urbanicebotanicals.com/product/ ... ess-tonic/


It's Urban Ice, Ballz has mentioned them before.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9303&p=93824&hilit=urban+ice#p93824

I'm sure Ballz will have something to say about this turn of events.


Here's an old thread from 2019, it's the guy that was in Leaf of Faith

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2243

Here's where I got that :

The products were marketed under the brand name “Feel Free Plant Based Herbal Supplement,” according to the statement.

Probably all the same scumbags.

I'm getting a paywall now, but they also mention "Botanic Tonics"which looks like the blue shit company. Why the bust though if kratom is legal in Utah?

"and other ancient plants." Hahahahaha! Fuck off!

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:56 am

"and other ancient plants." Hahahahaha! Fuck off!

Mivanqua, it's Oklahoma - but I think it's legal there too.

Ah well. Doesn't sound like the guy(s) is much to talk about (in any good way).

SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 am Mivanqua, it's Oklahoma - but I think it's legal there too.

Ah well. Doesn't sound like the guy(s) is much to talk about (in any good way).

Great reading comprehension on my part. Haha!

Tulsa, Utah

Sir, maybe pick.a different destination?

You're the worst travel agent ever.




Bonus point :

Find my friend Dominique in this picture I just took.

https://ibb.co/FYbtF9J

Ain’t the feel free stocked by wonderland gardens. I just ordered some Mulungu extract to try along with some Kratom extract. I threw a bottle of feel good without thinking much because I read the mg amounts, and they were super high. Kratom plus kava plus it was like 9 bucks. I just got it mostly out of curiosity because it was their bestseller product. I honestly plan to somehow build an apocalypse stash of good herbals even though I’m broke. As long as my state keeps it legal for a couple more year I will be fine but i can’t buy 200 kilos, and ounces of extract to last me a lifetime all at once. So I’m hoping to have time to accumulate a killer stash of Kratom. To the point I never buy it again unless I just see something special, and want it. I didn’t know it had this much money in the industry to where they can seize such high dollar amounts. Kratom is definitely getting more popular which is not all good because now more eyes are watching, and paying attention now when earlier they didn’t really seem to care. Though there are many benefits also like better selection/product.

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:17 pm Bonus point :

Find my friend Dominique in this picture I just took.

https://ibb.co/FYbtF9J

WHOA NELLIE!! Not a job for anybody with a fear of heights!

The seizure follows two FDA inspections at the business, one in fall 2022 and the other on Wednesday, according to the complaint.

Sounds like they were warned...if they had 2 inspections and didn't follow instructions they were kind of asking to be shut down. This is still unfortunate and not a good look for kratom but I don't have a ton of sympathy for them.

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:17 pm

SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 am Mivanqua, it's Oklahoma - but I think it's legal there too.

Ah well. Doesn't sound like the guy(s) is much to talk about (in any good way).

Great reading comprehension on my part. Haha!

Tulsa, Utah

Sir, maybe pick.a different destination?

You're the worst travel agent ever.




Bonus point :

Find my friend Dominique in this picture I just took.

https://ibb.co/FYbtF9J

Pssth. Y'all actually wear the helmets. I was on a straight up crew full of rag tag misfit drug addled booze hounds LOL not a single piece of legit safety equipment to be found anywhere! Kansas baby!!

Good cutting though. Super dangerous doing that. Easy to take out a city block electricity been there done that. I really miss that job

xymoriintus wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:20 pm Easy to take out a city block electricity been there done that. I really miss that job

So we had this party once......

Property owner on a private island in Puget Sound. A tree was blocking his view of the western strait.

End result was half the island didn't have power for a few days.

We sobered up, got on the ferry and went home.

That was YOU?

Just kidding.

To bring it full circle, here's us at the Mexican restaurant a couple of hours ago. That's me in front there and that's Dominique looking into the camera and that's the rest of the guys all around us. Haha!

https://ibb.co/9r9cKtg

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:12 pm That was YOU?

Just kidding.

To bring it full circle, here's us at the Mexican restaurant a couple of hours ago. That's me in front there and that's Dominique looking into the camera and that's the rest of the guys all around us. Haha!

https://ibb.co/9r9cKtg

AWW!! It's mivanqua's eye!! <3

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:28 pm

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:12 pm That was YOU?

Just kidding.

To bring it full circle, here's us at the Mexican restaurant a couple of hours ago. That's me in front there and that's Dominique looking into the camera and that's the rest of the guys all around us. Haha!

https://ibb.co/9r9cKtg

AWW!! It's mivanqua's eye!! <3

"As far as the eye can see”

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 7:48 am

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:35 am

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:21 pm https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... 59ce8.html

Problem was this was being marketed as a 'dietary supplement' I think.

Isn't Feel Free the stuff in those little blue bottles?

Yep. It's this garbino:

https://ibb.co/f43JXkf

Tried it once when I still did greens and it was SUPER strong. I only drank half. At least they do put kratom in there, I have always kinda wondered.

https://urbanicebotanicals.com/product/ ... ess-tonic/


It's Urban Ice, Ballz has mentioned them before.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9303&p=93824&hilit=urban+ice#p93824

I'm sure Ballz will have something to say about this turn of events.


Here's an old thread from 2019, it's the guy that was in Leaf of Faith

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2243

Yeah i mean i agree somewhat to that guy's post about the industry. Its nearly entirely full of people doing stuff the wrong way, which is dangerous for customers and the industry overall. So many vendors are dishonest people lying to make a dollar. The whole pharma grade co packer is actually probably the right way, but thats just to have all your checks checked off and your butt covered. If your selling products to masses you have to use a copacker for liability reasons. Typically with any other products you can push liability off onto the co packer during a lawsuit for foreign object in powder or any other lawsuits about the product. Sadly since kratom isnt approved for consumption almost all the legit copackers dont touch kratom nor want that product in their building, as its a high risk for them getting into trouble themselves. When he posted talking about the industry it was even worse then it was now. Hence the huge salmonella outbreak. I suspect there's still ecoli and salmonella issues today but at a lower scale. The Indonesian wholesalers fixed this problem for the most part, not the American's selling the powder. Now all the powder imported by sea containers is gamma treated and "clean" (containing dead salmonella or ecoli. )

Their trouble most likely started with importing and getting caught importing kratom, but since this company was so large they had their products in 10-30,000 stores. They might have just gotten into trouble because their presence was so huge, but its a little funny OPMS didnt get into trouble, which makes me revert back to them importing as the leading cause of their troubles.

The whole NFHC will not hold up in court, so i dont know how much more needs to be said about that. You will have to convince a judge or jury you weren't selling for consumption. The Prosecutor will spend a dozen or two man hours of researching you to prove your lying to everyone under oath. It only takes one post, one comment, one un-removed comment from a customer to prove. I dont see the outcome of that going over to well.

The FDA is the biggest problem in this fight. It is rumored that it's them (FDA) that encourages states to ban kratom. They've been doing it for years and are pissed because they can't regulate kratom by law, nor can they convince the DEA to schedule it.

Because it simply isn't even a little bit dangerous

Excuse my ignorance but would someone mind telling me what the skinny is on this feel free product? What's in it and why is it so reviled?

boureka wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:41 am Excuse my ignorance but would someone mind telling me what the skinny is on this feel free product? What's in it and why is it so reviled?

Kratom, kava, and other "ancient herbs." Haha!