KalieGirl wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:15 pm
StringThing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:46 pm
Greyfeather wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:49 pm
You're going to have to do a great deal of peer-reviewed publishing to convince many of us (including a large part of the medical community) that your natural immunity will protect you for long, especially with the inevitable variants evolving in order to 'work around' or stay ahead of natural immunities.
I know this doesn't need to be said, but I'll say it anyway
Anti-vax folks do not have peer-reviewed journals to show as evidence.
They never did, and they never will, because the stuff they're saying is not based on science, but politics.
I don’t appreciate you calling me names such as antivaxxer. And my personal medical decisions have nothing to do with politics and are based on scientific evidence. I really don’t appreciate the hate speech directed at me. Thought it was possible to have a discussion without it devolving in this manner but looks like I was wrong.
Furthermore the variants are due to the mass vaccination in a pandemic not from natural immunity.
No, what you are saying is not based on science. It's based on your misinterpretation of science. Calling you an anti-vaxxer isn't insulting, it is descriptive. If you're offended by being associated with such people, maybe you should reflect on your stance so that you aren't associated with them. I know I am never misconstrued as an anti-vaxxer because I don't hold opinions which are analogous to those of anti-vaxxers.
You want discussion? You are just plain wrong. There is nothing to discuss. I'm going to tell you why you are wrong.
-myocarditis from the vaccine is not that common and is a lesser risk compared to myocarditis from COVID-19. You can cry about 'risks' but it has been unanimously agreed upon by accredited scientific institutions worldwide that the risk from the vaccine is considerably less than the risk. Trying to compare the level of risks between these two is totally asinine when something like 25-40% of unvaccinated infected people are turning up with life long damage from covid. Even asymptomatic people. This is a thing with the flu too, but SARS viruses are a different beast. Go look at some of the Chinese studies from the early 2000's and you'll see what kind of shit even people with light symptoms have to deal with 10, 20 years down the line.
-natural infection is not protection. You can get re-infected. You can spread it. You are OBJECTIVELY a risk to others. Naturally immunity does not work like you are assuming it works. If it did, humanity would have never had to deal with plague after plague. I'm a biologist so feel free to hit me with any questions.
Like it's crazy how you talk about 'scientists and researchers' as if they are actually on your side and agreeing with you in mass. They are not. You are wrong.
I browse the studies that are released on COVID near-daily because I don't like to be fooled by some talking head on a screen. I think everyone who cares about the truth should do the same. The stuff you're saying has zero backing outside of right-wing political circles. It's political propaganda, not hard science. Hard science is published in longstanding, accredited, internationally peer-reviewed journals, and has results that are replicable.
No study has ever shown that the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus
No study has ever shown that natural infection is a good long term defense, and it's certainly not as good as the vaccine
Just tell me this: what's killed more, COVID-19, or the COVID-19 vaccine?
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One thing i learned from all info that talked on the vaccine, that it is bad.In one of them it talked about how this is just one peice of tech, it is not fully activated yet. in the future there will be a chip that will activate it full swing and you will be owned property. Even thought if you click search pair device in blue tooth, you will see your own number id pop up if your vaxxed. Since there will be many numbers around when you pair in bluetooth section, you have to be in a field away from people to knows your 10 or 12 digit number, i forgot how many numbers it is. it will look something like E3:F7:D9:S2:A0:L1, when some one mentioned it, i was stuck in traffic and clicked pair device to test it, and had so many numbers come up....
. Happy holly-daze Hippie!
