Coronavirus discussion

[brave777]

Ok herbal hippie, tell me, all the conspiracy aside.

The Emperor Has No Corona
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DkIBetvZLeRh/

Where are the isolation when CDC own web site claims it was never isolated. THAT is no conspiracy. FACT.

At this point, if you wont tolerate truth herbalhippe, i have no interest talking to you. you will hurt more people by pushing CNN agenda. Honestly i dont even know why you are a mod when you cant control your anger when i get no benefits by trying to find stuff that helps people heal from spike protein. I am helping out of free will. If people want me to not post my idea's speak up. I will leave for good. i got no problem with that and abandoning this kratom forum for good. I have learned a lot from everyone who participated, the red bubble from ballz and many other great participants with great tips. Not sure if i helped anyone here but i do think i need to part away from this forum. Its getting to political and crazy, now CNN calling un vaxxed terrorists? It has got to far. I understand there many prefer not to share views. But plz take care of your elderly and close family members. They will be the last line to help you morally.

[Greyfeather]

At this point, if you wont tolerate truth herbalhippe, i have no interest talking to you. you will hurt more people by pushing CNN agenda. Honestly i dont even know why you are a mod when you cant control your anger when i get no benefits by trying to find stuff that helps people heal from spike protein. I am helping out of free will. If people want me to not post my idea's speak up. I will leave for good. i got no problem with that and abandoning this kratom forum for good. I have learned a lot from everyone who participated, the red bubble from ballz and many other great participants with great tips. Not sure if i helped anyone here but i do think i need to part away from this forum. Its getting to political and crazy, now CNN calling un vaxxed terrorists? It has got to far. I understand there many prefer not to share views. But plz take care of your elderly and close family members. They will be the last line to help you morally.

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Brave, your Walls of Words are very nearly incoherent; you fly from one subject to the next without the use of punctuation, you make bold claims and you primarily center yourself as the first and last authority on the matter of COVID, vaccines, masks and every other health condition that occurs to you. From the texts you have posted it is pretty clear that you watch/read the lunatic scripts of Joseph Mercola (anti-vaxer, celebrant of the miracles of vitamins C and D. The man is a millionaire grifter who preys on the ignorant). You seem to see yourself as especially enlightened and, therefore, you speak as some kind of Messiah come here to save all of us from ourselves because -as you see it – none of us have the sense to get through a single day without your advice. Somehow I think that we are all doing ok in that respect. But thanks.

I have done a LOT of work with special education learners. You clearly have some cognitive issues that prevent you from understanding the seriousness of COVID and the human cost of suffering that we are all paying in terms of our responsibilities to EACH OTHER. You appear to be getting enjoyment from provoking other commenters. The way you just spoke to our Mod is a straight-up disgrace, so possibly there are some mental health issues too. It’s worrying that you aren’t interested in any kind of dialogue; instead just thumbing your nose at everyone who attempts to help you to understand that we are all stressed and need to approach these subjects with honesty and with the science that we rely on now – as fragile as that science may still be. Maybe you could take some time off from all of this. I’m sure we will be ok here at DoubleM. as you suggested yourself.

I’m not a Christian but I absolutely recognize something greater than myself. I’ll pray for you brave.

[tracy00214]

I am so glad I missed all this, because I get enough of it out in the real world.
You were very kind, Greyfeather.

[herbalhippie]

Whelp, things are getting bad out there, I hope everyone is taking whatever precautions they can.

I have an online friend on another forum who is a retired ER doc in Texas. A friend of his who is still practicing in
Oklahoma was trying to find an ICU room for a Covid patient a couple nights ago and they contacted
TWO HUNDRED HOSPITALS and there were none available. The patient died yesterday.

I'm still chugging along with my masks and hand sanitizer.

Oh yeah, Costco is limiting paper items and water again, the panic buying has begun. I'm still stocked up
from last time, so I'm ok. I do have to pick up a pair of glasses this morning, I had to send a new
pair back because they didn't get the lenses right. I'm dreading going up there and seeing a line around
the building when all I want is my glasses.

edit to add: I will be getting a booster vax when they are available. My PCP trialed the vaccine along with her husband
and now she's in the booster trials too. I think that would be around December or January for me, got my second shot in early May.

[Greyfeather]

Panic buying again? I haven’t seen any here yet. But then I remember your posts from April 2020 and things were getting very dire in your state before they did in mine. Anyway, after reading your post I asked my Guy to stop at a store yesterday so that we could pick up a 16-roll package of TP, so Thanks! I guess there’s a shortage of truck drivers in the US and people at the production ends still getting sick.

Because of meds I take and my immunocompromised condition I decided to get a third vaccination. I’m not advising anyone else do that, but it was ok’d here and it will be quite a while until I can get the booster (which will most certainly be a ‘new and better’ formula). Apparently over a million people just went ahead and got the third vaccine on there own; I didn’t have that kind of moxy, though .

I’m so very sorry about your acquaintance’s friend. This time last year I did not expect that we would have a vaccine so soon, and I would never have thought that part of our country’s population would literally do everything possible to prevent us reaching a reachable goal. The situation in Florida, Alabama and Kentucky…., the lack of ICU beds, people suing each other over masking children. If all of these angry COVID deniers have a ‘long game’ in mind, I haven’t got a clue what it is. Do they even know?

hh, Have you ever purchased eye glasses on line? I got 3 or 4 pair 10 years ago and it worked out very well. The prices were the sweetest part. I got all of them for half the price of the ONE pair from Sears. Unfortunately someone working for one of the companies hacked my identity and cleaned out my checking account. The funds were eventually recovered but I'm extra cautious now. I'm going to order some this Fall. If I have a good experience I'll leave a review in Off Topic. It never hurts to have a spare pair or two

Please stay safe everyone.

[herbalhippie]

No I haven't purchased glasses online. My lenses have a lot of bells and whistles, so I like to get them in person.

Plus, Costco will redo them over and over until they are absolutely perfect if you aren't happy with them.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Get Zenni glasses online and stick it to Luxxotica (they own 99% of all brands). Zenni has inexpensive frames, starting at $5, and they are sharp. I had $350 Armani frames once, and these are the same in terms of quality. I get several pairs at a time, saved my butt more than once when I stepped on a pair, keep one in the car, have some tinted for sun and fashion. They also are very good about returns/exchanges and you can upload a picture of yourself to try on the frames virtually. Warby parker is another glasses vendor but they are hecka expensive, kinda bougie.

Dearth of hospital beds here, tons of people who qualified for the vax decided not to get it and wound up with dire cases of the delta variant. Most all of them could have been prevented and saved a bed for someone with preexisting conditions, shame, shame.

Tourism has come back big time, pumping much needed money into our stagnant economy, but today the local gov has released some statements asking tourists to stay away as our cases surge to the highest they've ever been during the pandemic.

[Greyfeather]

Hey IDI

I can't remember if I ordered from Zenni (but they were not the company that ripped me off), so I will certainly look them up. I got a very nice pair from LensesRX, but that was 10 years ago and their site - I don't know - doesn't inspire the same confidence it once did.

It looks like my state will return to indoor masking on Monday, regardless of vaccination status and I am very relieved to know it. Our 'numbers' are every bit as bad as they were a year ago. It's true that there are still fewer fatalities (so far), but the majority of those who have passed were in their THIRTIES and all of the deceased were unvaccinated. The worst (imo) is that many, many who survive COVID become disabled owing to the terrible things the virus can do to us. Also, if someone needs emergency surgery or is in an accident there may not be an ICU bed for us, not to mention that we'll be in an environment where the virus is most certainly present.

I just hope that folks in my city can take a deep breath, remember how wonderful it feels to do that, and just 'go along' without raising hell. There are businesses here where employees had to deal with mask fights every single day: What is it about hardware stores that brings out the beast in an otherwise reasonable person?

If you want to experience what it feels like to suffer a COVID crisis in your own family, look at herbal hippie's posts from March (if I recall correctly?). Talk about grace under fire. I couldn't have weathered that

Stay safe, All

[herbalhippie]

^^ August, starting on Page 14. It's been a year.

The showdowns on my side of the state lately are school board meetings. Governor had already remade the mandate for wearing masks indoors and school boards mandated masks in school. A few nights ago there was a school board meeting and about 50 unmasked people came in, refused to put masks on, refused to leave and were yelling over everyone trying to talk. School board shut down the meeting. THERE'S NO REASON TO BE AN ASSHOLE LIKE THIS IN PUBLIC. Seriously. You're just making yourself look like an uneducated idiot. I don't get it.

I am so done with a certain subset of the population.

[MetalMamaRocks]

^^ August, starting on Page 14. It's been a year.

The showdowns on my side of the state lately are school board meetings. Governor had already remade the mandate for wearing masks indoors and school boards mandated masks in school. A few nights ago there was a school board meeting and about 50 unmasked people came in, refused to put masks on, refused to leave and were yelling over everyone trying to talk. School board shut down the meeting. THERE'S NO REASON TO BE AN ASSHOLE LIKE THIS IN PUBLIC. Seriously. You're just making yourself look like an uneducated idiot. I don't get it.

I am so done with a certain subset of the population.

It's just so sad we've gotten to the point where SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS are a disaster. Trump's presidency really did a number on this country's respect for one another. He made it mainstream to act like a spoiled 2 year.

I don't get why grown-ass adults can't put 2 and 2 together - if everyone wears a mask and the people able to get vaccinated do, kids will be able to stay in school and be fairly safe. Here in Kentucky they are having to close schools for weeks at a time because of outbreaks, and school has only been in session a couple of weeks. Same in Tennessee. This fall and winter are going to be bad.

Hippie, I guess I better stock up on some TP! I noticed in the past your area sort of sets the trend for what's ahead for the rest of the country, at least in the Midwest.

Hope you are all still staying safe and healthy!

[herbalhippie]

^^ Here's something I wasn't aware of. It was a church group. Or a group of people claiming to be.

Here's what a local pastor had to say about it yesterday on FB

"As Christians, we are supposed to be the light of the world. We are supposed to be a medicine not a cancer. I just finished attending what was supposed to be a Xxxxxxxxx School Board meeting. People, in the name of Christ, came to the meeting unmasked and yelled, screamed, mocked, and laughed at everyone wearing a mask and trying to get the meeting to proceed.
The school board was not able to conduct business due to this group of hateful churchgoers not abiding the law.
It is quite something for a pastor to say that an entire boardroom full of professing Christians are actually the most unChrist-like group of people I have ever seen.
As the Church, let us bring light to the world. Not be a cancer that spreads judgment and hate."

I went to Costco yesterday and there was no toilet paper of any brand or paper towels. Napkins were low. Water was very low. Paper plates were getting low!

I texted a friend who is a rep for a food service company and he said yes, things were running out and it was bad.

[pray4peace4]

Yes... most people are unaware that there's a looming food shortage. The original lockdown put a lot of businesses out of business, especially those in food supply. It's been trickling down slowly over the last 6 months. Some stores have surprisingly empty shelves. My son warned me about 2 months ago to buy a bunch of toilet paper &, like the first time, I ignored him. Costco is now out of TP just like a year ago & it sells out as soon as it hits the stores. Fortunately I listened to my other son, who convinced me to convert all my toilets to have the bidet function. I'd always thought bidets were weird. Don't know why, really. They're great! I wish I'd converted a long time ago. I now only use maybe 1/10 the amount of TP. Sorry for the gross topic, but it really helps when TP is hard to find.

So... I got the vax back in Feb/March. Didn't have any negative reaction to speak of. But 3 weeks ago caught COVID. My son's girlfriend & her kids got it & spread it to all of us. She & her kids didn't have symptoms until 2 days after she was over visiting. She was vaxxed, my whole family was vaxxed, & all of us vaxxed folks got COVID. Not a very good vaccine. I was really really sick. Man that was nasty. My wife & I are both high risk. She's diabetic, I have a blood clotting disorder & heart problems. After 3 days of being really really sick, my doctor gave me that ivermectin we all have been hearing about. Wow - it worked great! I felt almost normal 3 hours after taking it. I keep having this nagging compulsion, though, to eat oats... oats, of all things. Strange.

[MetalMamaRocks]

Yes... most people are unaware that there's a looming food shortage. The original lockdown put a lot of businesses out of business, especially those in food supply. It's been trickling down slowly over the last 6 months. Some stores have surprisingly empty shelves. My son warned me about 2 months ago to buy a bunch of toilet paper &, like the first time, I ignored him. Costco is now out of TP just like a year ago & it sells out as soon as it hits the stores. Fortunately I listened to my other son, who convinced me to convert all my toilets to have the bidet function. I'd always thought bidets were weird. Don't know why, really. They're great! I wish I'd converted a long time ago. I now only use maybe 1/10 the amount of TP. Sorry for the gross topic, but it really helps when TP is hard to find.

So... I got the vax back in Feb/March. Didn't have any negative reaction to speak of. But 3 weeks ago caught COVID. My son's girlfriend & her kids got it & spread it to all of us. She & her kids didn't have symptoms until 2 days after she was over visiting. She was vaxxed, my whole family was vaxxed, & all of us vaxxed folks got COVID. Not a very good vaccine. I was really really sick. Man that was nasty. My wife & I are both high risk. She's diabetic, I have a blood clotting disorder & heart problems. After 3 days of being really really sick, my doctor gave me that ivermectin we all have been hearing about. Wow - it worked great! I felt almost normal 3 hours after taking it. I keep having this nagging compulsion, though, to eat oats... oats, of all things. Strange.

Glad you and your family made it through okay. Ivermectin is supposed to be good stuff if given after symptoms start. I wonder how plentiful the supply is? (pharmacy stock, not the kind from Tractor Supply)

[Greyfeather]

Yes... most people are unaware that there's a looming food shortage. The original lockdown put a lot of businesses out of business, especially those in food supply. It's been trickling down slowly over the last 6 months. Some stores have surprisingly empty shelves. My son warned me about 2 months ago to buy a bunch of toilet paper &, like the first time, I ignored him. Costco is now out of TP just like a year ago & it sells out as soon as it hits the stores. Fortunately I listened to my other son, who convinced me to convert all my toilets to have the bidet function. I'd always thought bidets were weird. Don't know why, really. They're great! I wish I'd converted a long time ago. I now only use maybe 1/10 the amount of TP. Sorry for the gross topic, but it really helps when TP is hard to find.

So... I got the vax back in Feb/March. Didn't have any negative reaction to speak of. But 3 weeks ago caught COVID. My son's girlfriend & her kids got it & spread it to all of us. She & her kids didn't have symptoms until 2 days after she was over visiting. She was vaxxed, my whole family was vaxxed, & all of us vaxxed folks got COVID. Not a very good vaccine. I was really really sick. Man that was nasty. My wife & I are both high risk. She's diabetic, I have a blood clotting disorder & heart problems. After 3 days of being really really sick, my doctor gave me that ivermectin we all have been hearing about. Wow - it worked great! I felt almost normal 3 hours after taking it. I keep having this nagging compulsion, though, to eat oats... oats, of all things. Strange.

We were never promised that the COVID19 vaccines would prevent infection. We were advised that it would prevent death (especially with the use of other, concurrent mitigation methods). So I would say that it is, in fact, a very good vaccine since it most likely saved your life after only three days of serious illness. Your other heath conditions do place you in a very high risk category.

The Ivermectin? I'm surprised that your dr. approved that: he most certainly was humoring you, although doing that might have put both of you at serious risk. There is zero support for the use of an animal anti-parasitic in humans who have contracted COVID. It's just another dangerous and bogus 'miracle cure' that MDs in poor countries handed out to patients because they had little else. Glad you're better.

Get vaccinated, folks. It will save you and your families lives and won't land you in the ER for treatment following non-approved drug toxicity. I shared my story here last year about my extremely close call with the Hydroxychloroquine prescribed to me for Lupus. Yes, it CAN kill you.

[MetalMamaRocks]

The Ivermectin? I'm surprised that your dr. approved that: he most certainly was humoring you, although doing that might have put both of you at serious risk. There is zero support for the use of an animal anti-parasitic in humans who have contracted COVID. It's just another dangerous and bogus 'miracle cure' that MDs in poor countries handed out to patients because they had little else. Glad you're better.

Hey Greyfeather! I must have Ivermectin confused with some other drug, or maybe it's the antibodies that people are getting from doctors?

[Greyfeather]

The Ivermectin? I'm surprised that your dr. approved that: he most certainly was humoring you, although doing that might have put both of you at serious risk. There is zero support for the use of an animal anti-parasitic in humans who have contracted COVID. It's just another dangerous and bogus 'miracle cure' that MDs in poor countries handed out to patients because they had little else. Glad you're better.

Hey Greyfeather! I must have Ivermectin confused with some other drug, or maybe it's the antibodies that people are getting from doctors?

Hello My Dear I have been keeping up with y'all.

The only drugs I've seen given emergency authorization (or just regularly prescribed) are the monoclonal antibody therapy Sotrovimab, Remdesivir, and Baricitinib. Since Ivermectin found its way into the anti-vax overground, its cost has gone from a few dollars to a few hundred dollars; it's being treated exactly like Hydroxychloriquine last year. It does have a very serious-sounding name though; maybe you mistook this for one of the other drugs?

I mean, if folks want to try it and they can, it's none of my business, but - as you already know - the vaccines are making all the difference and they're free. I come from a rural background and people value their independence and can be stubborn for its own sake. If there are folks here still holding out, please reconsider. The national suffering is just too much. It's breaking people to see so much unnecessary pain and loss. This just isn't the hill to plant a freedom flag and then fall on it. There's a lot of anger and frustration out there but this isn't a good reason to fight. We all need to survive this, then we can work on our differences.

Ok, off my soapbox now.
Sorry if I diverted you thread MMR. Love ya

[pray4peace4]

"The Ivermectin? I'm surprised that your dr. approved that: he most certainly was humoring you, although doing that might have put both of you at serious risk. There is zero support for the use of an animal anti-parasitic in humans who have contracted COVID. It's just another dangerous and bogus 'miracle cure' that MDs in poor countries handed out to patients because they had little else. Glad you're better.

Get vaccinated, folks. It will save you and your families lives and won't land you in the ER for treatment following non-approved drug toxicity. I shared my story here last year about my extremely close call with the Hydroxychloroquine prescribed to me for Lupus. Yes, it CAN kill you.
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I guess you're unaware of the research & current medical practices involving COVID treatment. The President of the Tokyo Medical Association just last week instructed doctors to give ivermectin to all COVID patients. And... remember when we first heard of the delta variant in India? Then we heard nothing else about how it was going in India? The gave out ivermectin to all their citizens except for one district & the only part of India that struggled with delta was that one district. In mid 2020 the FDA gave permission to doctors to treat patients with COVID using ivermectin. Lots of doctors are giving out ivermectin to COVID sufferers... like my cardiologist. I know there's so much information overload going on these days, it's hard to keep up.

[herbalhippie]

and Baricitinib.

I saw this mentioned in a discussion at r/medicine this morning and it caught my attention. I'd never heard of it before. Sounds like it has promise.

[Greyfeather]

"The Ivermectin? I'm surprised that your dr. approved that: he most certainly was humoring you, although doing that might have put both of you at serious risk. There is zero support for the use of an animal anti-parasitic in humans who have contracted COVID. It's just another dangerous and bogus 'miracle cure' that MDs in poor countries handed out to patients because they had little else. Glad you're better.

Get vaccinated, folks. It will save you and your families lives and won't land you in the ER for treatment following non-approved drug toxicity. I shared my story here last year about my extremely close call with the Hydroxychloroquine prescribed to me for Lupus. Yes, it CAN kill you.

I guess you're unaware of the research & current medical practices involving COVID treatment. The President of the Tokyo Medical Association just last week instructed doctors to give ivermectin to all COVID patients. And... remember when we first heard of the delta variant in India? Then we heard nothing else about how it was going in India? The gave out ivermectin to all their citizens except for one district & the only part of India that struggled with delta was that one district. In mid 2020 the FDA gave permission to doctors to treat patients with COVID using ivermectin. Lots of doctors are giving out ivermectin to COVID sufferers... like my cardiologist. I know there's so much information overload going on these days, it's hard to keep up.

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Oh I think many of us are keeping up just fine. The question is, what are you reading/"studying"? Perhaps you equate "Google" with "Research"?

I'm fairly certain you are talking about Dr. Haruo Ozaki - the Chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, but he can only make suggestions. He is not the Japanese Health Ministry and cannot approve ivermectin for use against COVID-19. As has been the case since this pandemic started, your so-called "research" is based on more fake news. The citizens of Japan are not being given Ivermectin to cure or prevent COVID because it has not been approved for that use in Japan.

[Greyfeather]

and Baricitinib.

I saw this mentioned in a discussion at r/medicine this morning and it caught my attention. I'd never heard of it before. Sounds like it has promise.

Also called Olumiant, the drug has been used for Rheumatoid Arthritis to help control pain and swelling. I read the drug's letter of authorization for emergency use in COVID patients: doctors are using it in combination with Remdesivir. It wasn't clear what exactly this combination is expected to do but I do find it interesting that a medication prescribed for an autoimmune disease is being used. Last year forensic studies were suggesting that COVID19 seems to be affecting the body much the way autoimmune responses do - which is extremely worrisome, imo. I hope this virus does not create an environment in the systems of COVID long-haulers where an autoimmune disorder might be triggered later.

Anyway, as I understand, the drug or drug combination are administered only after the patient is ill, so hopefully people aren't rushing around trying to hoard it

[pray4peace4]

It's interesting that in a forum where the general consensus is Big Pharma & the FDA conspire to badmouth & ban a perfectly good & effective treatment for pain & anxiety, meaning kratom, but when those institutions do the same thing with a cheap, effective treatment that's already approved by the FDA in 1969, whose inventor was awarded the Nobel Peace prize for inventing it, and it's effectively treated COVID patients in 30% of the world's population... all of a sudden y'all believe the FDA & Big Pharma are totally believable saviors of the civilized world when fake news articles come out in rags like Rolling Stone alleging that ivermectin is dangerous & responsible for thousands of visits to the ERs. That article is one of many that fraudsters concocted, & overly trusting people swallowed hook line & sinker. The FDA & Big Pharma are lying to you just like they do about kratom. Do an internet search for ivermectin as a treatment for COVID & read how India & almost all of South & Central America have given up on the vaccines & give all their citizens ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Fauci himself in 2005 authored a research article for the NIH where he calls Hydroxychloroquine a cheap & effective treatment for all Corona viruses. In April 2020 an Australian researcher published her paper on how ivermectin rapidly kills COVID-19 virus particles within 24-48 hours in vitro. She intended to do a follow-up to see what happens in living humans, but after a year & a half she reports she couldn't complete her research because she couldn't find anyone infected with COVID-19. What? There's a pandemic of SARS-2 & all of a sudden she can't find any infected people to finalize her research? Doesn't that sound unbelievable? Do you think the American FDA , the same folks that are lobbying countries around the world to BAN KRATOM, is forcing researchers around the world to stop confirmation research, or that Pfizer is pressuring those researchers to stop? They're doing it with kratom, so it's reasonable to think they do it with other cheap & effective medicines.

Dr. Peter McCullough, a cardiologist in Texas, who is also the publisher for medical research articles, has treated hundreds of COVID patients with ivermectin & not one has had to be put on a ventilator, not even the high risk patients. He has videos on You Tube, & Rumble if those videos were censored by Google, & you might learn something.

[VerbalQuicksand]

In April 2020 an Australian researcher published her paper on how ivermectin rapidly kills COVID-19 virus particles within 24-48 hours in vitro. She intended to do a follow-up to see what happens in living humans, but after a year & a half she reports she couldn't complete her research because she couldn't find anyone infected with COVID-19. What? There's a pandemic of SARS-2 & all of a sudden she can't find any infected people to finalize her research? Doesn't that sound unbelievable? Do you think the American FDA , the same folks that are lobbying countries around the world to BAN KRATOM, is forcing researchers around the world to stop confirmation research, or that Pfizer is pressuring those researchers to stop?

From Monash University (the institution Dr. Kylie Wagstaff is doing this ivermectin study at) as of August 2021:

Monash University research into Ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19 is being undertaken by Dr Kylie Wagstaff from the Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute.

Since her team's initial publication showing that Ivermectin could prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection in cells in the laboratory, funding has been secured to undertake additional preclinical tests to better understand the dosing regimen most effective under laboratory conditions.

The findings from this work are now being prepared for submission to a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Monash University is not in a position to communicate on the outcome of this work until it has been subject to rigorous peer review. The pre-clinical laboratory-based findings will be communicated when the research is peer-reviewed and accepted for publication.

Alongside this work, Dr Wagstaff has been working to establish a blinded and randomised clinical trial. The low numbers of COVID cases in Australia in 2020 meant the planned trial in Australia had to be paused. The establishment of a trial depends on Australian and overseas circumstances, and will be communicated when we are in a position to do so.

Dr Wagstaff remains committed to undertaking a trial that will provide a definitive answer to whether or not Ivermectin is a potential treatment for COVID-19.

We note as per the advice issued from the National COVID-19 clinical evidence taskforce, Ivermectin is not to be used for the treatment of COVID-19 outside clinical trials with appropriate ethical approval.

We thank you for your ongoing interest in this work.

I think this presents a little differently than you explained. The FDA didn't pressure anyone to stop anything, they're still doing the study now that more funding is secured. Also, Australia did have incredibly low covid cases initially in 2020 due to their strict lockdown procedure. And according to the people doing this, they do not recommend usage unless directed.

They also are very clear in not claiming any results at this time.

Source: https://www.monash.edu/discovery-instit ... n-research

If this was not the Australian researcher you referenced, please correct me.

[pray4peace4]

My point was that the stated reason, is, she couldn't find any COVID patients, was patently unbelievable, & considering what the FDA is like & how it's tried to torpedo kratom, the truth is more likely that the FDA & Big Pharma have leaned on researchers to either bad mouth ivermectin or end their research. There are many other articles coming out about ivermectin. It's not just "horse paste", an amazingly false assertion. The inventor didn't get the Nobel Prize for a drug that's only for livestock, it's for treating humans, too. Yes, it's for treating humans. I know some of you think otherwise, but you've been had by propagandists.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34375047/
https://ivmstatus.com/

[INSENSE3]

So.. trust the FDA approved but frowned on pharmaceutical INSTEAD OF the vaccines? Is that the point?

I don’t trust the FDA in ANY WAY and know they lie for money and they are a corrupt organization using clout and money to get rich and they don’t give a crap about our lives, whether it be death by vaccine or medication.

Not sure why people find wearing a mask so objectionable that they pick fights in stores and other public places INSTEAD OF tending to their own business. Everyone always wants to tell EVERYONE ELSE what to do. Including all of the militant anti-vaccine believers.

Shoving my beliefs down the throat of uninterested strangers in public just doesn’t seem like a way to win hearts and minds.

Just venting,

Laurie

[VerbalQuicksand]

My point was that the stated reason, is, she couldn't find any COVID patients, was patently unbelievable, & considering what the FDA is like & how it's tried to torpedo kratom, the truth is more likely that the FDA & Big Pharma have leaned on researchers to either bad mouth ivermectin or end their research. There are many other articles coming out about ivermectin. It's not just "horse paste", an amazingly false assertion. The inventor didn't get the Nobel Prize for a drug that's only for livestock, it's for treating humans, too. Yes, it's for treating humans. I know some of you think otherwise, but you've been had by propagandists.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34375047/
https://ivmstatus.com/

It clearly stated in the article that the study had to be paused due to the low numbers of COVID infections in Australia initially in 2020. I'm not sure what's unbelievable about that, they pretty much dodged the first wave because of their strict lockdown protocol. Beyond that, they didn't say they couldn't find ANY, rather they didn't have ENOUGH. I would assume quite a number of people are needed for the study to be statistically relevant.

Comparatively Australia has had from 3 January 2020 to 8 September 2021, 64,628 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 1,053 deaths, reported to WHO. While the US has had 39,893,580 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 644,318 deaths. So while the study could have probably gotten further towards completion if done in the states, it is an Australian study. Their numbers are wildly lower than ours. It is absolutely believable that she didn't have enough to participate in the study and had to pause.

Source: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/au

[MetalMamaRocks]

Biden Expands Vaccine Push With Mandates For Private Sector
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vaccine- ... 19c5023860

I am so glad he finally did this! I'm so tired of going in to work around unvaxxed, unmasked morons.

[INSENSE3]

Unfortunately people without vaccines and without masks do not care about ANYONE ELSE, especially authority figures. Picking fights ON PURPOSE continues. Anyone who says it wasn’t their fault a brawl occurred, they are lying.

But. I recall learning about anger being an emotion reflecting FEAR. This explains a lot of the problems in society. EVERYONE is TIRED, SCARED, MAD…some of us act more impulsively on others as a reflection of what is going on with themselves and largely has nothing to do with anything except endless fear.

I definitely sympathize with EVERYONE, no matter which side of the issues. I don’t have a crystal ball and have to wait and see how this thing ends. If it does. According to history, these things DO END. Eventually.

Hopefully the phreaking wildfires will eventually END. Soon.

Hang in there, y’all!

[pray4peace4]

https://rumble.com/vmf2bo-the-evidence- ... id-19.html

[PistolsAtDawn]

I've found by and large the only people who care at all about ivermectin are the same ones who won't get a free shot. Why focus on something that hasn't yet been clinically proven effective against Covid when the vaccine that has won't cost you at all? That's madness.

There isn't anything political about the science behind the vaccine. It wasn't new or experimental at all - that's how so many different companies were able to produce and mass manufacture one so quickly!

Regardless, ivermectin isn't a preventative. The vaccine is. Why walk around with increased risk? Hospitals are full thanks to the unvaccinated and Covid positive. You aren't guaranteed admission into one to be prescribed any treatments anyway!

I'm so unspeakably angry at the kind of people who manufacture this ridiculous misinformation. It was bad enough in 2016, but people are literally dying right now because of it.

[pray4peace4]

If you have time look up VAERS, the government's ongoing record of vaccine adverse reactions. The Pfizer & Moderna COVID vaccines have some extremely dangerous effects on some people, more than most people realize. Women have a great risk of developing blood clots, but it varies greatly with age. Doctors can do a D-dimer test on people with adverse reactions like dizziness, difficulty breathing, numbness or tingling, or confusion to see if you've developed micro-clots anywhere in your body.

There's mounting evidence that the mRNA vaccines are "leaky". What that means is, unlike common vaccines for mumps & measles, the vaccine doesn't kill all the virus particles, only some of them, so it's only reducing the severity of the disease. That allows each vaccinated person to still be a carrier & eject virus particles to infect others. It also aids the evolution of the virus toward more dangerous & contagious forms. Several countries, including Israel that have almost 100% vaccination rates, are seeing huge spikes in infections. That's a strong indicator of a leaky vaccine. Leaky vaccines are extremely dangerous for society as a whole. Below is a link for Mareks disease, a herpes infection in Chickens. By allowing the leaky Marek vaccine, industry worked themselves into a terrible situation where chickens have to continually be vaccinated because the virus evolves rapidly. For those postponing getting a COVID vaccine, try & wait for the new standard vaccine to be issued, a non-mRNA version. The UK is reporting a huge number of adverse reactions to the current ones, along with huge spikes in new infections.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... m-Chickens

[PistolsAtDawn]

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's unreliable.

“We’re talking a very different virus and very different vaccines. The details in biology really matter a lot. The chicken vaccines we worked with, the first-generation vaccine, definitely reduced disease, severity and death.” But unlike the COVID mRNA vaccines, the chicken vaccine “didn’t stop transmission at all.” And this is one of the key differences between what was being studied in Read’s paper and our current situation with the global pandemic. “Those [vaccinated] chickens just kept churning out the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks.” Again, this is a key difference. “It’s a very different virus from SARS-2. A key issue here is transmissibility.”

More transmission increases the likelihood of mutation. Thankfully, COVID-19 Vaccines reduce transmission and reduce opportunity for mutation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamorr ... ine-study/

I also haven't seen any reliable sources report any major or widespread problems with any of the available vaccines. Until I see otherwise, I stand by my opinion that outside of having a medical condition diagnosed by an actual doctor that disqualifies you, not getting the vaccine is prolonging this pandemic.

[KCobbBMore]

The Ivermectin? I'm surprised that your dr. approved that: he most certainly was humoring you, although doing that might have put both of you at serious risk. There is zero support for the use of an animal anti-parasitic in humans who have contracted COVID. It's just another dangerous and bogus 'miracle cure' that MDs in poor countries handed out to patients because they had little else. Glad you're better.

Hey Greyfeather! I must have Ivermectin confused with some other drug, or maybe it's the antibodies that people are getting from doctors?

Hello My Dear I have been keeping up with y'all.

The only drugs I've seen given emergency authorization (or just regularly prescribed) are the monoclonal antibody therapy Sotrovimab, Remdesivir, and Baricitinib. Since Ivermectin found its way into the anti-vax overground, its cost has gone from a few dollars to a few hundred dollars; it's being treated exactly like Hydroxychloriquine last year. It does have a very serious-sounding name though; maybe you mistook this for one of the other drugs?

I mean, if folks want to try it and they can, it's none of my business, but - as you already know - the vaccines are making all the difference and they're free. I come from a rural background and people value their independence and can be stubborn for its own sake. If there are folks here still holding out, please reconsider. The national suffering is just too much. It's breaking people to see so much unnecessary pain and loss. This just isn't the hill to plant a freedom flag and then fall on it. There's a lot of anger and frustration out there but this isn't a good reason to fight. We all need to survive this, then we can work on our differences.

Ok, off my soapbox now.
Sorry if I diverted you thread MMR. Love ya

Thank you for this. It saddens me and I cannot understand how or why anyone is making this their hill to die on, and ARE losing their lives.

We all have the freedom to make shitty choices, just mask up and stay away from the rest of us.

[pray4peace4]

If people don't want to even consider a differing opinion, that's certainly your choice, but to come out & say nobody should be able to present a different opinion... that's pretty extreme, don't you think? Here in America we have freedom of speech, or at least used to. I remember why this forum was born. epoison had a dream - a forum where folks could present their side, their opinions & viewpoints, & not censor every post or comment that didn't fit the mods views & opinions like happened on r/kratom. He did a great thing, don't you think? Don't try & unravel his jewel. Wake up to the fact that others have different viewpoints than you that may well have substantial facts upon which they base their views... I've posted some facts. You may not like them, but they're still facts. Learn to get along with others without being insulting nor threatening.

[CatfatherB]

If people don't want to even consider a differing opinion, that's certainly your choice, but to come out & say nobody should be able to present a different opinion... that's pretty extreme, don't you think? Here in America we have freedom of speech, or at least used to. I remember why this forum was born. epoison had a dream - a forum where folks could present their side, their opinions & viewpoints, & not censor every post or comment that didn't fit the mods views & opinions like happened on r/kratom. He did a great thing, don't you think? Don't try & unravel his jewel. Wake up to the fact that others have different viewpoints than you that may well have substantial facts upon which they base their views... I've posted some facts. You may not like them, but they're still facts. Learn to get along with others without being insulting nor threatening.

Amen brother

[PistolsAtDawn]

Facts are not opinions. Unfactual information is dangerous to spread. Viewpoints need to be grounded in science and proveable knowledge, not half-truths and omitted facts. It's not a matter of politics to say that something is untrue or unfactual when there's evidence to back that up.

No one restricted your freedom. I exercised mine because what you said is untrue and that's the kind of misinformation that deters people from getting the vaccine and ending the spread of this virus.

Our hospitals are overflowing right now, which means that people cannot get treatment for health problems other than Covid because of misinformation. People are dying because of this, but it doesn't need to be this way.

[MetalMamaRocks]

If people don't want to even consider a differing opinion, that's certainly your choice, but to come out & say nobody should be able to present a different opinion... that's pretty extreme, don't you think? Here in America we have freedom of speech, or at least used to. I remember why this forum was born. epoison had a dream - a forum where folks could present their side, their opinions & viewpoints, & not censor every post or comment that didn't fit the mods views & opinions like happened on r/kratom. He did a great thing, don't you think? Don't try & unravel his jewel. Wake up to the fact that others have different viewpoints than you that may well have substantial facts upon which they base their views... I've posted some facts. You may not like them, but they're still facts. Learn to get along with others without being insulting nor threatening.

You should practice what you preach. You're very quick to chastise anyone that posts a viewpoint that doesn't fit your conservative narrative.

[CatfatherB]

Tom Power, owner of Raw Form Organics, died a couple of days ago from Covid. there was a post in his MeWe group. they have a go fund me account set up to help the family.

[iamlurkerpro]

Freedom has to stop at a point where it could kill another free person. Just because I'm an idiot and do not know if I shoot a gun up in the air the bullet could come down and kill someone does not mean I should be able to. It's my right to have a gun and ammo,and telling me I cannot shoot up in the air does not take my right away. I'm also a pretty good shot on the range,but if I goto a football game and try shooting the football it's illegal,again that is not taking my "rights" away. Same goes with covid/vaccine deniers, it doesnt matter what you believe because the fact is it gets people sick and kills them. So people should not have to suffer because of someone's ignorance, it's not taking away their rights to be stupid, it's enforcing other's right not to be made sick or killed by another's ignorance. It does not matter what you believe,what you cousins friend had happen to them, the fact is covid makes people very sick and kills them, and to believe that your ignorance should not be infringed is probably one of the most anti-american/anti-decent human being thing I've ever seen.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Freedom has to stop at a point where it could kill another free person. Just because I'm an idiot and do not know if I shoot a gun up in the air the bullet could come down and kill someone does not mean I should be able to. It's my right to have a gun and ammo,and telling me I cannot shoot up in the air does not take my right away. I'm also a pretty good shot on the range,but if I goto a football game and try shooting the football it's illegal,again that is not taking my "rights" away. Same goes with covid/vaccine deniers, it doesnt matter what you believe because the fact is it gets people sick and kills them. So people should not have to suffer because of someone's ignorance, it's not taking away their rights to be stupid, it's enforcing other's right not to be made sick or killed by another's ignorance. It does not matter what you believe,what you cousins friend had happen to them, the fact is covid makes people very sick and kills them, and to believe that your ignorance should not be infringed is probably one of the most anti-american/anti-decent human being thing I've ever seen.

My grandfather had a stroke last week and was taken to a hospital where they confirmed that. They admitted him, and as he was preparing to leave for a rehab facility his heart stopped. They managed to revive him and he's stable but not really conscious.

Thanks to the stupidity and the selfishness of the unvaccinated packing our hospital beds completely full needlessly, I cannot go and see him. I have been curt to anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers before this, but if my grandfather dies without me being able to see him because of this, I will be outright militant.

Nobody has the right to put the public at risk so they can be selfish. I've never been more ashamed to be an American.

[INSENSE3]

@PistolsAtDawn @iamlurker, @MetalMamaRocks, @CatfatherB, @pray4peace4 and so on, and so on..;

Thank you for sharing the real life here on the forum. Mortality.

I’m praying for your grandfather’s full recovery, @PistolsAtDawn


Please try to check back on how he is doing later? Hope you are all doing better


INSENSE3

Laurie