Coronavirus discussion

[herbalhippie]

The best thing to do is assume everyone around you is sick and act accordingly. I try to keep my distance in the store and actually, here people are pretty good about not crowding.

I had my van in the shop yesterday and the shop owner drove it to pick me up and he was unmasked until I got in the van, so I'm going to fret about that for a couple weeks. I went over things he might have touched with Lysol wipes though (how can a steering wheel that looks so clean be so filthy??) but yeah....

I'm thinking about going back to my homemade masks rather than the blue disposable surgical masks I've been using. They fit tighter around the face and go under your chin and you can put as many layers of filter in the pocket as you can breathe through.

I don't know anyone that's lost someone close to them either. I think maybe the closest to me is an online friend whose mother-in-law passed from Covid last month. The only people I know who have had it at all were my daughter, her boyfriend, her dad and her stepmother.

I forget, do have anyone here who has actually tested positive for Covid? I was just thinking last night about how many many times over the years I've seen people mention that they don't get sick while using kratom, or if they do, it's relatively mild. Seems like I've heard that about people using other opioids/opiates too.

[Greyfeather]

From everything I have read, the virus can only live on surfaces for a limited time. Still, what the repair guy did is inexcusable; I would probably call and remind them that they are putting their customers at risk. They might even be liable for that kind of behavior. Just wipe everything down that you can, leave the windows open for a while (if possible) and don't use the heat/air conditioner for a while. And I agree about the cloth masks. Unfortunately after making a few I got too lazy about washing them. I hope you and your son had a nice time today

[Greyfeather]

Hey Mike,

Nice to hear from you . I'm sorry your workplace continues to be so irresponsible about this. Four places were pretty heavily fined here last week. 18 new businesses were fined this week, and the owners are hoppin' mad. They keep telling the media "we have to think about our employees!" But I remember you talking about this problem with unemployment benefits vs. coming in for work and that you can't do both. None of these places are as big as your restaurant. A lot of non- franchise outfits that don't do any decent take-out service. So aren't these owners kind of BS-ing everyone? If they remain open, their employees can't collect benefits. Wouldn't the employees be better off if they just remained at home? These owners are not giving them a choice. I don't think they're putting their workers first.

I saw a map showing which states have mask mandates and which don't. I was especially curious about NC because you live there. It looks like you have a state mandate but SC doesn't. But it sounds like you are a very healthy guy (and have a lot of good karma ). Is your place doing outdoor dining? I don't know what winters are like in NC, but I'd bet they're a lot milder than ours.

Stay well, keep writing.

[MycatTimmy]

Hi Everyone. I’ve hesitated to post in this topic because everyone is so informed, informative and eloquent that I’m afraid I’ll appear ignorant. But I don’t keep up with my counties or states infection rate for a reason, my sanity !
My husband is a Certified Nurses Aide. He works 12 hours a day 40-50 hours a week in a long term care facility. He undergoes nasal swab testing every Tuesday and Friday. Though the facility he works at ships every positive patient to a sister facility, he has already had extensive contact with them. He has to bathe, turn, dress, clean, feed and physically pick patients up to transfer them. Yes, he does wear full PPE the entire time he is at work. But masks slip, gloves break and gowns tear.
To Everyone who has a loved one in a facility please take heart knowing that the employees are there because they want to be there. For most, it’s a calling, not a job.

[Greyfeather]

To Everyone who has a loved one in a facility please take heart knowing that the employees are there because they want to be there. For most, it’s a calling, not a job.

Thanks so much for posting, McT. I hope you do more because they are like a ray of sunshine in an otherwise very dark subject. And please thank your husband for me. My mom will probably need care like this and I can't tell you how much comfort it gives me to know that care-workers really CARE.

I have read articles here and there about the vaccines that are supposed to be coming out fairly soon. There is discussion about who should be the first to receive them. Imo health care workers should have first choice. If they can't stay healthy I don't know how the rest of us will get by. But it's probably more complicated than that.

Anyone have any ideas or feelings about these vaccines? I don't know if I would want to be first in line - it's kinda scary. The success rate scientists are talking about are impressive though.

[MycatTimmy]

Thanks for listening Greyfeather. Sometimes talking about it helps to loosen the knot in my stomach.

[Oletimer]

Overall, the CDC says, just 6% of the people counted as COVID-19 deaths died of COVID-19 alone. Those who died of coronavirus, according to the CDC, had an average of 2.6 comorbidities, meaning more than two chronic diseases along with COVID-19.

The CDC estimates a 99.997% survival rate for those from birth to age 19 who contract COVID-19. It's 99.98% for ages 20-49, 99.5% for 50-69 and 94.6% for those over 70.

Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has challenged the convential coronavirus narrative, arguing science doesn't support lockdowns, thinks Briand's analysis is flawed. He tweeted a link to CDC data showing mortality in 2020 is 13% above expected.

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The CDC estimates more than 350,000 excess deaths this year, he points out. Many of those are due to the lockdowns, he said, but the majority are the sick and elderly.


Others took issue with him, contending he was misrepresenting Briand's argument.

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'Recategorized'

Briand found in her analysis that there naturally was a sudden increase in deaths early in 2020 compared to previous years that was due to COVID-19.

But she also noticed a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease and all other causes.

"This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading," the report said. "Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19."

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The Johns Hopkins News-Letter article noted the CDC classifies all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths.

"Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths."

It's likely "the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease."

"All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths," Briand concluded. "Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary."

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Briand was asked by the Johns Hopkins News-Letter to address the question of whether COVID-19 deaths can be called misleading since the infection might have exacerbated and even led to deaths by other underlying diseases.

She said that if the COVID-19 death toll "was not misleading at all, what we should have observed is an increased number of heart attacks and increased COVID-19 numbers."

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"But a decreased number of heart attacks and all the other death causes doesn't give us a choice but to point to some misclassification," Briand replied.

The News-Letter clarified: "In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes."

"Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand’s view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning."

Briand emphasized in the interview that while COVID-19 is a serious national and global problem, people should not forget about the tragic loss of lives from other causes



Johns Hopkins retracts report finding COVID death count 'not alarming'

[Oletimer]

Overall, the CDC says, just 6% of the people counted as COVID-19 deaths died of COVID-19 alone. Those who died of coronavirus, according to the CDC, had an average of 2.6 comorbidities, meaning more than two chronic diseases along with COVID-19.

The CDC estimates a 99.997% survival rate for those from birth to age 19 who contract COVID-19. It's 99.98% for ages 20-49, 99.5% for 50-69 and 94.6% for those over 70.

Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has challenged the convential coronavirus narrative, arguing science doesn't support lockdowns, thinks Briand's analysis is flawed. He tweeted a link to CDC data showing mortality in 2020 is 13% above expected.

Advertisement - story continues below

The CDC estimates more than 350,000 excess deaths this year, he points out. Many of those are due to the lockdowns, he said, but the majority are the sick and elderly.


Others took issue with him, contending he was misrepresenting Briand's argument.

Advertisement - story continues below

'Recategorized'

Briand found in her analysis that there naturally was a sudden increase in deaths early in 2020 compared to previous years that was due to COVID-19.

But she also noticed a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease and all other causes.

"This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading," the report said. "Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19."

Advertisement - story continues below

The Johns Hopkins News-Letter article noted the CDC classifies all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths.

"Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths."

It's likely "the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease."

"All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths," Briand concluded. "Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary."

Advertisement - story continues below

See Briand's webinar:



Briand was asked by the Johns Hopkins News-Letter to address the question of whether COVID-19 deaths can be called misleading since the infection might have exacerbated and even led to deaths by other underlying diseases.

She said that if the COVID-19 death toll "was not misleading at all, what we should have observed is an increased number of heart attacks and increased COVID-19 numbers."

Advertisement - story continues below
"But a decreased number of heart attacks and all the other death causes doesn't give us a choice but to point to some misclassification," Briand replied.

The News-Letter clarified: "In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes."

"Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand’s view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning."

Briand emphasized in the interview that while COVID-19 is a serious national and global problem, people should not forget about the tragic loss of lives from other causes

[Oletimer]

I watched a investigation report, thousands of drs say that politicians need to stay out of our healthcare, there’s medications that if given early, help their patients, instead of waiting and isolating at home, with no medication, What was disturbing is that a lot of people who died, are marked down as covid, the hospital’s get a big lump of money from Medicare ,, the more covid cases reported, for instance , if someone had covid anytime in a 90 day period, they get in a car wreck and die, they are calling it covid related death, or someone who is dying from heart failure, they will call it covid when they die, , whether they tested pos. Or neg. , and many not even tested, cdc says actual numbers of covid alone deaths are 13,000, 6%, , politicians don’t want these medications used, hydroxy, because Trump said it, so drs have a hard time acquiring these meds, they have to buy them from other countries,, IF trump hadn’t mentioned hydroxy, they wouldn’t have called it dangerous,, just like vaccine, Harris said she’d be 1st in line for vaccine, but not if Trump was in office, that’s a stupid thing to say, , I really think this whole pandemic is being used by politicians for their own gain, not caring about the people, no lockdown is needed, the drs are saying that is worse, , of course locking down keeps people from getting together and talking about the corruption, turning people against each other, , makes me sick, , if Biden said hydroxy and other meds help, it wouldn’t be called dangerous, something definitely wrong with that,

[MikeEdoessomething]

Hey Mike,

Nice to hear from you . I'm sorry your workplace continues to be so irresponsible about this. Four places were pretty heavily fined here last week. 18 new businesses were fined this week, and the owners are hoppin' mad. They keep telling the media "we have to think about our employees!" But I remember you talking about this problem with unemployment benefits vs. coming in for work and that you can't do both. None of these places are as big as your restaurant. A lot of non- franchise outfits that don't do any decent take-out service. So aren't these owners kind of BS-ing everyone? If they remain open, their employees can't collect benefits. Wouldn't the employees be better off if they just remained at home? These owners are not giving them a choice. I don't think they're putting their workers first.

I saw a map showing which states have mask mandates and which don't. I was especially curious about NC because you live there. It looks like you have a state mandate but SC doesn't. But it sounds like you are a very healthy guy (and have a lot of good karma ). Is your place doing outdoor dining? I don't know what winters are like in NC, but I'd bet they're a lot milder than ours.

Stay well, keep writing.

Thanks! So I just got home from my weekend shifts, and it is pretty bad. All 4 positive confirmed employees - which I found out about 8 days ago - were in the building at work this weekend So what management is saying is that all of these employees were in isolation for 14 days (that is a lie, they maybe took 7-8 days off) and that they each had gotten negative test results before returning (likely another lie and since we're not aloud to talk about it, it's not hard for the managers to make up whatever they want). But I call bullshit. Not just that, but even with a spread of covid cases in the building, cooks and other staff continue to not wear masks at all times. I almost walked out because its just so frustrating how non-serious they are taking covid. PLUS, half of the prep cooks were out this weekend, so it seems to have spread from the line-cooks to the prep employees. And the mall was packed for black friday and then on Saturday and my store was a lot busier than I expected. We haven't had out outdoor dining in recent weeks because it has been cooler, so yeah, its been indoor dining only lately. And our ventilation system sucks!

And the new mask mandates North Carolina issued, well, yeah, no one is following those. Guests are supposed to have masks on at all times when they are not eating or drinking,and especially when they are speaking with servers. But, yeah, that didn't happen and it was business as usual. And in Raleigh, mask wearing is good, but outside of the major cities in the rural areas, masks wearing draws stares Everyday we keep hitting record hospitalizations. The state is averaging somewhere like 37700 new cases a day over the past week, and the cases are uplike 40% from 2-3 weeks ago. So its surging. And the Thanksgiving surge is going to come in about two weeks and then things may get far more worse. How much strain can the health care system take?

The unemployment thing is a joke, and at this point, people need to work because unemployment is just not enough. I only get $132 a week. You can collect partial unemployment if you have low hours though. But yeah, staff can not just use fear of covid as a valid reason to not work and still collect unemployment. If you are offered to work, and you don't simply because of fear of getting covid, you won't get benefits for that week. So you are right, it really businesses and employees in no-win situations. Most employees I work with live week to week, so many can't just miss work anyways. It sucks all around. I literally stayed away from my co-workers as much as possible this weekend But if businesses close, many of them can not survive without another bailout. And many staff members don't make enough on unemployment to survive. It's such a terrible situation businesses and employees are both dealing with.

Here's the really scary situation coming up: On Dec 26, the day after Christmas, almost all people getting benefits from the CARES ACT passed in march will have their benefits end! Millions of people that rely on the unemployment,many in areas where there are lockdowns again, and in one month I think 30 millions people will be at risking of losing all their unemployment benefits! Imagine that, day after Christmas, and the lifeline of 20-30 million people will be gone, just like day, all at the same time! That won't be good. Food lines are already miles long and hours long waiting times all across the country. If nothing is done for any relief, I think it is possible we could see widespread civil unrest. Congress has 9 work days left, just 8 or 9 legislative work days, until the new congress is sworn in sometime in January. Current government get another long holiday vacation while the country is in crises cause I guess government leaders aren't essential So unless a relief bill is introduced and passed within the next 10 days, there will be no relief bill to at the earliest mid-February or early March. That's an entire winter where millions of people will be cut off from the only source of income (unemployment) they have. How are millions going to survive a winter without any help? Then on-top will be thousands of covid deaths a day!! Ughh it's going to be a dark winter

I honestly believe in-door dining will be shutdown within a few weeks. I think that is the smartest decision to help slow the spread. I prepared for this so I have been very good saving my money this year and preparing for this situation if it came.

Hope you had a good holiday

[brave777]

Dang Mike, this just proves my 2 week house arrest, just what happened at my job, every single one of them working back and everything good, in no time they will work with you again... but 132$ a week.... wtf? how many hours you work??? thats like nothing man... maybe 2KG's of kratrom or maybe not even that... i feel very bad that your in that situation. My prediction after DEC 21 it will start to look like its getting very bad but something will happen to the media and mid 2021, everyone will be pissed off and no mask wearers, lock downs will disappear. lets see if i am right. that's just my personal entertaining prediction.

If you are that worried, get some sea weed from castco. get use to the taste and eat one pack a day. I eat 3 small packs a week. If you dont know what it can do to your health, do a little digging, i am not going to spam this thread and drill anyone on what sea weed can do. I also think you way over thinking everything, you will be fine. And yes, bosses can cheat to, send people on vacation for 2 weeks. happens all the time. Get use to it, this is America. Watch what happens after DEC 21. Many planets line up and astrology shows nothing but good. Yes it will still be shit but it will only start to get better. Can i be wrong, yes but what if i am right>?

IF NC does something stupid then i can see how more people will get pissed off and after Christmas more crap, keep your chin up. Complaining and focusing only on negatives will drain your energy and in return can bring stress, then stress can bring sickness. Like the last Covid we had, i didnt even know it even existed, it was not in my timeline, i did everything i wanted, i had way more time off work to go hiking, paddle boarding, garden work, research, play online games with friends. i think only few times i put muzzle for 5 min when i walked into the garden store. Almost all stores here were fine not wearing masks and it was not mandatory. When i read comments about how some posted here they get a blanket to hug their close once, it breaks my heart. I want to say something but will not, that is their 100% choice. I never seen any of that behavior in my circle. I have Spanish and Kurdish friends and they are the same way. I think there is no reason to go into numbers, because most people understand it very well what is going on. Mike if you that worry just try to stay away 6 feet, masks are usually for closer then 6 feet. I went hiking in NC few days ago on 8 mile trail, and the trail was packed with people. People are sick and tired of staying home. I mean NC do follow mask wearing serious. It was about 60% trail hikers that pass us had a mask on. I made sure i jumped to the side more then 6 feet and give them plenty of space since i understand they are scared. Always said hi, and for them to enjoy the beautiful day. I don't blame them in any way, like some no mask wearers do. i show full 100% respect, they already probably very very stressed watching news and decided to take a break and get some fresh air. Hope the mask has cracks so they can breath the prana fresh CO2 air. Any way, hope everyone has a blessed day.

[Greyfeather]

I honestly believe in-door dining will be shutdown within a few weeks. I think that is the smartest decision to help slow the spread. I prepared for this so I have been very good saving my money this year and preparing for this situation if it came.

Hope you had a good holiday

Thanks for the update Mike!

I can read news items all day but it still isn't the same as hearing from someone in the thick of it. I think you're right. If the gov. can't organize something quick the protests and looting from the summer are going to look like a game of touch football compared to the millions of us who have tightened our belts for months and a facing terrible losses while Bezos and Musk dance away from all of this billions richer. We don't have kids, but if we did I guess I would have to resort to whatever to make sure they're safe. I don't know how people can still be so careless. They are calling it "COVID fatigue:" maybe people just don't give a damn if they get it or not. I hope you at least don't have large groups of Seniors coming in on the regular.

Also agree about the availability of hospital beds. I guess they'll have to get convention centers, etc. ready again and maybe nurses and docs who live in communities with low numbers can be persuaded to relocate. Plenty of people went to NYC when they were in crisis.

Still, all things considered, it's hard to fear for you. You're got a right solid head on your shoulders and I'm sure your parents are proud. I wouldn't mind having some relatives as compassionate as you too.

All the Best; and I hope you find time to keep writing.

[Pete2000]

Overall, the CDC says, just 6% of the people counted as COVID-19 deaths died of COVID-19 alone.

CDC Did Not ‘Admit Only 6%’ of Recorded Deaths from COVID-19
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-d ... -covid-19/

[Playerpiano72]

I watched a investigation report, thousands of drs say that politicians need to stay out of our healthcare, there’s medications that if given early, help their patients, instead of waiting and isolating at home, with no medication, What was disturbing is that a lot of people who died, are marked down as covid, the hospital’s get a big lump of money from Medicare ,, the more covid cases reported, for instance , if someone had covid anytime in a 90 day period, they get in a car wreck and die, they are calling it covid related death, or someone who is dying from heart failure, they will call it covid when they die, , whether they tested pos. Or neg. , and many not even tested, cdc says actual numbers of covid alone deaths are 13,000, 6%, , politicians don’t want these medications used, hydroxy, because Trump said it, so drs have a hard time acquiring these meds, they have to buy them from other countries,, IF trump hadn’t mentioned hydroxy, they wouldn’t have called it dangerous,, just like vaccine, Harris said she’d be 1st in line for vaccine, but not if Trump was in office, that’s a stupid thing to say, , I really think this whole pandemic is being used by politicians for their own gain, not caring about the people, no lockdown is needed, the drs are saying that is worse, , of course locking down keeps people from getting together and talking about the corruption, turning people against each other, , makes me sick, , if Biden said hydroxy and other meds help, it wouldn’t be called dangerous, something definitely wrong with that,

[herbalhippie]

If Biden said hydroxychloroquine helped, the same thing would have happened. But he probably wouldn't have taken it upon himself to suggest remedies. I know he wouldn't have.

[Greyfeather]

If Biden said hydroxychloroquine helped, the same thing would have happened. But he probably wouldn't have taken it upon himself to suggest remedies. I know he wouldn't have.

Hey, HH,

I remember a while back you wrote that if a vaccine came out you might take it but not until a year? Don't want to put you on the spot, but have your feelings changed? I haven't discussed this with anyone but my partner yet, but I value your opinion. At this point I believe the first ones are being made in Europe? For some reason that reassures me a bit. Do you feel like we would all be guinea pigs if we were offered it soon?

[herbalhippie]

Yeah, I still think I'm going to wait a bit. A few months anyway.

[MikeEdoessomething]

Have they even released the data from the trials of the vaccines to be peer reviewed or seen by the public? I'm curious as to what were the ages of the people in the trial, and how many people exactly there were who participated? The 3rd vaccine that was in the news recently, ugh, doesn't inspire confidence.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-astraze ... -to-snuff/

The problems start with the fact that Monday’s announcement did not present results from a single, large-scale, Phase 3 clinical trial, as was the case for earlier bulletins about the BNT-Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Instead, Oxford-AstraZeneca’s data came out of two separate studies: one in the UK that began in May, and another in Brazil, which got started at the end of June. These two studies were substantially different from one another: They didn’t have standardized dosing schemes across the trials, for one thing, nor did they provide the same “control” injections to volunteers who were not getting the experimental Covid vaccine. The fact that they may have had to combine data from two trials in order to get a strong enough result raises the first red flag.

And here's an article about the same AstraZeneca vaccine and questions about it from NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/busi ... xford.html

I mean, I would love for a vaccine to work, and be safe, but the CEO's of these companies going on TV or putting out press releases stating how effective their products are, all help the companies making the vaccine (and stock market from the good news). I could be entirely wrong and the data for the two vaccines about to be used here in America is available and has been peer-reviewed, and I just haven't seen it.

[herbalhippie]

I don't remember which two, but two of the companies had their trial halted because of some nasty side effects. And NO ONE knows what might be waiting down the line a year or two (or more) from now. Guillain-Barre syndrome, anyone? This is a neurological disease. Covid-19 has a neurological component they are seeing in people who have had the disease. Put two and two together. I'll wait. Keep following protocol, keep to myself as much as I can, and wait.

[Playerpiano72]

The data isn't even out yet, all we're hearing is from the drug companies right now. Wait for the FDA (remember them? Gottlieb is gone) to review it and make their recommendations. It will be rolled out eventually, starting with healthcare personnel, then ramping up to include the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions. For the majority of the American public, vaccines probably won't be widely available for a couple months yet. Follow the science.

Also, Dr. Scott Atlas resigned from the Coronavirus Task Force. He was the lead person catering to conspiracy theories and Trump's darker tendencies. Wonder who has the big man's ear now?

[Greyfeather]

I just read in our local news that we're supposed to be getting some vaccine the second week of December. It will go to healthcare workers first, then care homes (or so they say).

I'm wondering how they feel about being first.

[MikeEdoessomething]

So...

Monday my mother came home from work not feeling well. She threw up about 4 or 5 times that day, but otherwise felt fine, although she was having back aches worse than normal. She did work on Tuesday

Tuesday... I felt just like her and in more pain than normal. Back ache! And than I got a really bad headache in the afternoon, took a nap, and when I woke up I had the chills! Like I could not stop shivering I was so cold, and the thing with me is, I'm never cold.I keep my house around temp of 67. I'm the person always hot at work,always sweating. Been that way my whole live. I love cold weather. Give me snow over summer heat any day So, I literally can not ever remember having chills, where I got in bed with a jacket on and put the heat on. This was around 5-6pm,and I took a little nap.

Around an hour later on Tuesday night I took my temperature because of the headache and my mother thought I felt warm. I had a fever of 100.6! First fever I have had in many years. I haven't been sick since I started taking kratom daily (same goes for my parents, the 3 of us haven't even gotten a cold). But I went back to lay down in bed again for another hour or two. If I don't feel well, rest and sleep and some kratom help a lot. I wake up and take my temperature again. 101.8. And a few days earlier I worked over the weekend, and we had a recent covid outbreak at work but all the people who had been positive were already back to work (company says they tested negative or took 14 days off - which is bullshit! One worked the prior weekend). So I go back to sleep, and slept about 12 hours. I did take my temperature in the middle of the night and had no fever. I'd say I had a fever for 4-6 hours, give or take.

Wednesday I woke up, felt better. NO FEVER. But stomach was upset. And... my mother was throwing up again and did not go into work. Hard not to think it's covid even though it could be any number of things.

Right now it is Thursday at 7pm as I type this. I am still having upset stomach and very limited appetite. But other wise feel fine. I, of course, haven't gone out or been to work. I did go for a nice walk today, to get some fresh air and a little exercise. But no fever since that brief time on Tuesday evening. My mother took off today again. She feels fine, just like me, except she has lingering nausea and fatigue. But she's taken off from work the rest of the week just because I had a fever once and it's the right thing to do as to not risk exposing her co-workers (even if we don't have covid, best to play it safe if possible. One of her co-workers died in May from covid!). It feels like stomach bug, but who the hell knows. One of us will get tested if we still have any symptoms tomorrow (I don't have insurance)

I won't be working this weekend either. Just as a precaution. Even though I feel well enough to work. North Carolina had over 5600 new cases today, a record (again) and hospitalizations in the state hit record highs for the 6th straight day. We are in the midst of a massive spike, in the state and basically everywhere in this country.

I hesitated to make this post, partly because I am trying not to just automatically assume it's covid, or just trying to not overthink it. Mind-over-matter I guess (or mind over covid in this case maybe, just joking and being positive here ). One thing I am doing is basically staying in my basement. I have a 3-story home, and my dad stays on the top floor anyways, and the bottom floor/basement is like my own apartment, so it's at least easy to stay isolated for the most part. He has a bad heart (and had heart surgery in March) and already not in good shape (frail, weak) and hasn't left the house in March.

Silver lining: I didn't spend any money on Black Friday/Cyber Monday so I can still at least do a litter kratom shopping (**Oh, and Spencemastaflex, if you see this, sorry again about the delay in shipping you that sampler. I'll get it to you eventually**)

Stay safe everyone

[herbalhippie]

Covid can present with diarrhea and vomiting. My daughter and her b.f picked it up from her stepmother at the same time and got sick the same day. Daughter with cold symptoms, boyfriend with vomiting and diarrhea. You should get tested. Good luck!

[MikeEdoessomething]

Covid can present with diarrhea and vomiting. My daughter and her b.f picked it up from her stepmother at the same time and got sick the same day. Daughter with cold symptoms, boyfriend with vomiting and diarrhea. You should get tested. Good luck!

Yeah, I've been treating it that way. I'll contact my doctor tomorrow morning and look for one of the free testing sites that don't require insurance.

Thanks HH!

[herbalhippie]

At the testing station waiting our turn son has a positive co-worker



edit: He got the rapid test because he had a bit of loose bms this morning (which I'm almost positive was due to too much birthday cake and crispy burritos yesterday) and we both had the test that takes a few days to come back.

That test FEELS WEIRD AS HELL. Didn't hurt though.

So we're waiting on his rapid test to come back today. I Lysoled the hell out of everything he might have touched. Luckily, our apartment is set up weird and his bedroom is completely separate from the rest of the apartment. We have a protocol for if he needs to come over to my side. Just hoping his test comes back negative so I don't have to f*** with it. lol

Now I need a cup of tea and some birthday cake.

[brave777]

I do have few family members that are paranoid and spray the shit out of everything, even UPS boxes. So i was looking for a good Air Purifier, and i searched and searched and found the best cheapest True HEPA. Its 160$ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D8 ... UTF8&psc=1 but it can pretty much do all the stuff all the expensive once do. Did some research and it does trap viruses and other weird stuff like gases that are harmful to health. I honestly think all crazy all day mask wearers should have one in their room when mask is off so they can finely breath the most cleanest freshest air possible. Treat your self well, Oxygen is life, no oxygen is death or real health issues especially if you block it.

I went to watch joe Rogan and Found out he is on Alex Jones show.. i was like whhhaat?? so i went and watched it, guess what... they both drinking and smoking, Joe was so wasted that he was screaming at alex jones to shut up and not interrupt him, talking about mushrooms,, well what ever,

but then i saw another video

Friday Live: Scientist Confirm Covid-19 Vaccine Sterilizes Women
https://banned.video/watch?id=5fcadce828f4876265258cf7

If i recall they already mentioned it will harm 80% of people and bill gates opening said they need to reduce the damage it does and something in the line FDA will take care of it. Well lets hope so..... Oh they also said it might sterilize because it was never tested for it. Anyway, this post is just heads ups for the kratomites, keep your eyes open.

[herbalhippie]

Son's rapid test - negative

We will continue to follow protocol until other tests come back in a few days

[brave777]

Son's rapid test - negative

We will continue to follow protocol until other tests come back in a few days

Is it nose sticks tests? or was it something new?

[herbalhippie]

Yes, swab up the nose. My eyes didn't even water.

hippie, you can't say this


must have been all that coke I snorted back in the mid-late 70s

[herbalhippie]

We're good. Co-worker's second test, the better one that takes longer, came back negative so the first was a false positive. She hadn't been exposed and wasn't feeling ill anyway. Her asthma had been getting worse the last couple weeks (mine a bit too, cold, dry weather) and her doctor wanted her to get tested. So 13 people and their roommates/significant others/whoever got freaked out and a bank branch was closed down.

[Playerpiano72]

After hearing that I have the opportunity to get the vaccine very soon and a little thought, I decided I am going to get it. Not sure which one it will be (pfizer, moderns, etc) but I will ask the clinic when I get it. Walgreens is doing it, and I received some literature on it along with a vaccine consent form. I could probably upload pictures of the information if anyone is interested, I'm using my phone, but I think most of it is already available.

[brave777]

After hearing that I have the opportunity to get the vaccine very soon and a little thought, I decided I am going to get it. Not sure which one it will be (pfizer, moderns, etc) but I will ask the clinic when I get it. Walgreens is doing it, and I received some literature on it along with a vaccine consent form. I could probably upload pictures of the information if anyone is interested, I'm using my phone, but I think most of it is already available.

Just want to point out something, do read everything in small print. Do not take it before you read it. Tell them to print the paper so over night you can read it to see what you are getting your self into. Most people dont read it and openly sign there life away. Yes, if you sign, in small print it says they have ZERO liability that anything happens to you, you agreed to it. That means if something happens, if not right away, lets say long term damage and it gets even worse. you will be forced to live with it, even if it will last 2-3 years. Just a warning, also give another months, i hear some proof will come out on these vaccines. that way you wont regret that no one told you to wait a bit. And you wont be pissed at your self. do i even have warn anything? Hell no. Just from my caring of humans i decided to let you know. Free of charge. There is so much in small print, you will learn why its even in the vaccine? I wont spoil the beans, get it, read it, and then decided if thats something you willing to live with, RNA overwrites DNA. RNA is much much bigger. Anything messed with RNA, you got to be completely clueless to take it with out reading small print. You have been warned to read it!

[Playerpiano72]

mRNA vaccines don't work like you think they do. They do not penetrate the cell's nucleus, and therefore do not alter DNA. I currently have the papers so I am able to read all of the fine print. I know what I'm getting myself into, and I trust the science. Hopefully I can show other people that all of this anti-vaxxer fear mongering is unwarranted.

[brave777]

mRNA vaccines don't work like you think they do. They do not penetrate the cell's nucleus, and therefore do not alter DNA. I currently have the papers so I am able to read all of the fine print. I know what I'm getting myself into, and I trust the science. Hopefully I can show other people that all of this anti-vaxxer fear mongering is unwarranted.

You sure you did your research? https://www.brighteon.com/49b0843c-bc6a ... 5a9720bdf0

Any way since you so trusty into it, enjoy the ride. It be nice people here who get it, to report how they feel once in a while in this thread. that way people can see if any bad things come out of it.

[Playerpiano72]

Yeah I did my research. You asking me that and posting a link to that clickbait website is a funny contradiction. Do actual research, cite actual empirically-driven science. The rest is just noise.. It's fine if you want to believe that nonsense, but don't do it under the guise of "caring of humans."

[brave777]

Yeah I did my research. You asking me that and posting a link to that clickbait website is a funny contradiction. Do actual research, cite actual empirically-driven science. The rest is just noise.. It's fine if you want to believe that nonsense, but don't do it under the guise of "caring of humans."

I think i care more then you. Sorry to break it to you like this but i dont think you have enough info to do your claims. Then explain me, why does Russian have their own Vaccine, why do US Military have their own vaccine, and then their is one for everyone else that is in CVS, wallgreens and similar places. So did you decided which one of the vaccine brands you will take? Be honest to your self, because some of the stuff that is extremely toxic wont be in other vaccines. Did you do full research or only what you want to hear that is pleasant to your ear? Stop forcing your options, you are 100% wrong in that. Their is like what 5 vaccines out now, people have the choice to pick less harmful once if they choose too. Give it another 2-4 weeks i am sure military will step up with their own vaccine as well. Since i been hearing it here and therre that it is already finished. My point, dont force your only option vaccine, let people decided which one. and people like you , other people should be careful with. People deserve to have options with which vaccine to go with. Automatically assume everyone who not with you are anti-vaxxer.. pleasee./... Plus there is tons of therapeutics if people decided to go with hat will be released that work as good or even better then vaccine since there is no side effects. I think people should just keep their eye open and seek more Safer options. If you wish to poke your arm, for all i care, go DO IT!

[Playerpiano72]

You really don't have to repeatedly insult my intelligence. I'm not forcing any options (think you meant opinions), all I said was that I'm going to get the vaccine, and a fact about DNA that anyone that took a science class would know. You're making a lot of assumptions.
I'm sorry other people getting a vaccine gets you upset, but that's not a reason to spread disinformation like that. It's all speculation and conjecture. Let me know when you have some facts to back up your claims and not a bunch of personal attacks.

[herbalhippie]

Let's be sure to keep things civil in here please.

[brave777]

You really don't have to repeatedly insult my intelligence. I'm not forcing any options (think you meant opinions), all I said was that I'm going to get the vaccine, and a fact about DNA that anyone that took a science class would know. You're making a lot of assumptions.
I'm sorry other people getting a vaccine gets you upset, but that's not a reason to spread disinformation like that. It's all speculation and conjecture. Let me know when you have some facts to back up your claims and not a bunch of personal attacks.

Well you make a good point, i apologies. Where i am coming from, i listen to regressive hypnosis, a bunch said there is something terribly wrong with it. Do i have proof ? No, but i am convinced 100% they are no good and comes with a big package that some might not be able to live trough. Me personally i will seek less harmful because even Russians and Military one is not 100% clean according to some hypnosis but they will be less harmful and wont give serious issue to health. I don't have proof. Just pointing where i am coming from. In fact you can find a local professional who does regressive hypnosis and all your life issue and include the vaccine question. I believe 100% you will get same answer. Of course there is no proof. Unless everyone starts doing regressive hypnosis or something. Also i have not seen one chem-trails and i was convinced thats what been affecting my area, so far no one is sick here. i just hope they don't spray that shit here. Those who think its good chem-trails that will make you live 1,000 years, let me break it you, they are not! People i talk everywhere even at work, everyone says they wont be the first in line to get poked. Me personally if it become mandatory, i will try to research hard to see which one has less harmful stuff in it,.

[Quercus]

Just wanted to say a couple of things about this idea that the mRNA in the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine can alter human DNA...

The mRNA used in the vaccine is just a highly specific snippet of viral mRNA that codes for a viral protein. Specifically, it codes for a protein on the surface of the COVID-19 virus particle. That's the only protein it produces; it's just a limited fragment. Our immune system identifies that protein as "foreign" so that if the actual virus comes along, it (the immune system) already knows it (the invading virus) doesn't belong and immediately goes to work putting it out of commission before the virus can start replicating. Since the virus can't reproduce, it can't reach the population load necessary to create an active infection.