I have a theory these Indo's compete for a good USA vendor business like BB, so without even samples I'm buying those Nano's... knowing the supplier will send his best leaf. For sure # 18 is a competitor of # 17 Dayak's and then there's # 14 these guys all know each other, the quality is legendary!!
I have Lot 12 - Red MD Jong Kong from BBBallzDeep9 wrote: Anyone got the Maeng Da Jongkong (Lot 12 – batch 2008) / and or Green Jongkong same Lot and batch?
Yes. I have the green Jongkong lot 12 batch 2008. It’s great!BallzDeep9 wrote:Top of the Season! Great to see this Full Menu BB ~ especially Lot #18... been awhile on that guy.
Anyone got the Maeng Da Jongkong (Lot 12 – batch 2008) / and or Green Jongkong same Lot and batch?
I like the Green Nano, seems to lift my mood and definitely seems fresh and potent - I only took 2g and enjoyed my afternoon with it!Kyle4434 wrote:Hello beautiful people!!
Botanical bunny somehow got this package to my door in 2 and half days
Ordered sept 3rd.. arrived sept 5th
Green Nano -
Plantation -
MD Kapuas Green -
Green Luck.-
I will update on the quality per each one... miss giving little reviews.. also if you have tried any of these how were they for you? Any if give the best moodlift. I have come to love green strains since BB.
I tried to order more and they are all out. Damn 
And that's chemistry in motion, that same batch of RMDJK I get nothing from and exactly why I didn't leave a negative review. What may be bunk to me may be amazing to others.Finch wrote:Got my first Botanical Bunny order today:
-Red MD JongKong (lot 12 – batch 2008) - First try/impressions: 3g in hot water. Unique flavor/smell compared to what I'm used to but it was better. Stronger than I expected (next time I'll drop it down to 2g). Had some mild shoulder pain and it's gone now! Decent feel, energy and focus. ~15min to start feeling effects, 35 full effect. I'd buy it again (I'll update if opinion chgs)
Hey ballz you touched on a topic that I am very curious about myself and plan on getting to the bottom of very soon. Like you said you would think that the indo suppliers would be sending their absolute best leaf and be the best suppliers at that who are supplying vendors like bb, KOG, smiley time, kraydo, and many other big name vendors...but ive been hearing so much buzz giving testament to these very small vendors that are only doing small batches at a time and that it is easier to control quality better in small batches. I'm very curious to hear your theory on why it is that there is now a stigma that small batch vendors provide better quality leaf?BallzDeep9 wrote:Top of the Season! Great to see this Full Menu BB ~ especially Lot #18... been awhile on that guy.
Anyone got the Maeng Da Jongkong (Lot 12 – batch 2008) / and or Green Jongkong same Lot and batch?
well, the small vendors wanna claim their small batches are better, 'cuz that's their hype, they want your money of course... no stigma really? Just lots & lots of small back-pack dudes flipping 20+ kilo loads. Small guys, have small money invested, and small risk or exposure. IF there was some Legal problem, FDA or whatever, they'd just pack up the backpack and disappear I guess? OTOH (on the other hand) the Indo's.... don't wanna be 'small'. Right? Sure, they accept our small money but they'd prefer to earn big money... I see a good Indo supplier Zack who did supply KOG, (started the 'Banjo' strains,) who now moves 20 Tons a month for wholesaler NuWave. I guess some of NuWave's retail products ('Remarkable Herbs' brand) are 'OK' but I gotta think, hard to maintain quality control at 20 Tons?Corde32 wrote: I've been hearing so much buzz giving testament to these very small vendors that are only doing small batches at a time and that it is easier to control quality better in small batches. I'm very curious to hear your theory on why it is that there is now a stigma that small batch vendors provide better quality leaf?
Small batches, more likely a higher % Wild harvest kratom ? compared with the anonymous bulk plantation leaf sold & shipped in Cargo containers... To keep this ON Topic, I do think there's In Between teeny tiny Chat Room vendors, and huge Bulk wholesale vendor. Botanical Bunny = Medium size vendor. Professional. Has website that works. Small enough to maintain excellent quality! Deals with top Indo suppliers! Pays Indo good $ for his imports, has proven history of selling great quality leaf AND, having enough stock so customers can Review, and re-order. 
It is currently 2:30 am here in GA and I just got done reading the whole post and holy shit dude my mind is blown now. I knew alot of the surface stuff already but wow that was incredibly eye open. Honestly it makes me highly question everything and all vendors at this point because like he said even the best vendors are still gambling.BallzDeep9 wrote: well, the small vendors wanna claim their small batches are better, 'cuz that's their hype, they want your money of course... no stigma really? Just lots & lots of small back-pack dudes flipping 20+ kilo loads. Small guys, have small money invested, and small risk or exposure. IF there was some Legal problem, FDA or whatever, they'd just pack up the backpack and disappear I guess? OTOH (on the other hand) the Indo's.... don't wanna be 'small'. Right? Sure, they accept our small money but they'd prefer to earn big money... I see a good Indo supplier Zack who did supply KOG, (started the 'Banjo' strains,) who now moves 20 Tons a month for wholesaler NuWave. I guess some of NuWave's retail products ('Remarkable Herbs' brand) are 'OK' but I gotta think, hard to maintain quality control at 20 Tons?
So there's basic common sense. Small batches = higher quality.
Everyone should read Gumby's excellent MM thread - Behind The Scenes Of The Kratom Industry!
Yeah it's a good series of posts.Corde32 wrote:Feels like I just went down a rabbit hole that I will now forever carry doubt and skepticism for alot of the fads happening in this industry
Yeah, but it also shows how people like Chris do their best to work with and change the industry while making their mark of quality.Corde32 wrote:Feels like I just went down a rabbit hole that I will now forever carry doubt and skepticism for alot of the fads happening in this industry
Getting back on topic, did you happen to get any of the current batch of Green JongKong?Corde32 wrote:Oh yeah for sure. Hopefully there will be more producers and vendors that really really care about producing and selling the finest product they can
I had green jk from a few months ago and it was top notch, dunno if it's the current batch, tho.f1vefour wrote:Getting back on topic, did you happen to get any of the current batch of Green JongKong?Corde32 wrote:Oh yeah for sure. Hopefully there will be more producers and vendors that really really care about producing and selling the finest product they can
Thanks, I read about the previous batch and was hoping this batch was equally good. Going by the amount available I'm relatively sure it's a newer batch.IndelibleDotInk wrote:I had green jk from a few months ago and it was top notch, dunno if it's the current batch, tho.f1vefour wrote:Getting back on topic, did you happen to get any of the current batch of Green JongKong?Corde32 wrote:Oh yeah for sure. Hopefully there will be more producers and vendors that really really care about producing and selling the finest product they can
Yeah the white nano was like that for me didn't get much of anything from it, the green nano however was actually pretty good imo. TBH I've never really had any luck with BB's red strains. I bought their lot12 green luck recently and I really like it nice mid spec green it's similar to the jong kong(2008) but not as sedating.krattycakes wrote:I got the red nano about 4 days ago. Honestly I love BB and they always have good customer service and know this was a new supplier I think their trying. I heard great things about the green nano, but bought red instead. Definately a miss in my opinion. Has a really weird scent / taste and doesn't give much for effects. Its wierd I am trying to lower tolerance so I have been doing a slow taper. Normal dosing (4-6g) bur have also tried 2 & 3g as well. It gets rid of the rls at night. But nothing for mood or pain. After taken i dont even feel like i have "dosed". BUT LIKE I SAID BB IS ALWAYS GOOD AND NOT BLAMING THEM AT ALL. I STILL WILL BUY other strains FROM THEM. Anyone else tried the red nano? I want a second opinion I haven't seen any other reviews of the red. Peace and love!
which red did you get? the red nano?KratomisLife wrote:I have heard good things about them! I tried their Red, WOW!
Hi Angela, last year I ordered BB's Red Bali was a very dark batch, brick red.. not my thing really. What is the color of new Premium Wild?WhiteAngelica wrote:.... will have a review of the Red Bali forthcoming, but I can tell you the Prem. Wild Red is fire. I'm in love!
KenMasters wrote:I've ordered 5 items since September and love BB except for my last order. I immediately felt sick after taking the Premium MD 2010 that I just received. No energy or warmness, just pure nausea and minor headache. Later today I had a small amount of the Premium 2006 that I had left and feel much better. I know large doses can cause nausea and ill side effects, but I stick to my regular dose of 2-3g. Maybe some might have a difference experience with the 2010, but it felt really off to me.
I am going to fill out a return request but I'm not sure if they accept returns. In their "Return Policy" it says "We don't accept returns" but then it says "contact us for returns." If anyone has experience with returns please let me know. It's unfortunate, but I still went ahead and ordered some MDJK to replace it since the Green JK is out of stock in larger sizes. BB has been fantastic so far except for my last order. If this MDJK is bad too I might switch vendors, but I'm hoping it's good. Anyways, just wanted to give you guys a heads up.
All from Lot 12, I believe.
Premium MD - 2006 - 9/10 - Energy + Euphoria
Red JK - 2008 - 8/10 Energy + Euphoria + Mild Sedation
Green JK - 2008 - 9/10 - Energy + Euphoria
Premium MD - 2010 - 0/10 - Zero Effect + Very Sick + Mild Headache
MDJK - 2008 - Just ordered today to replace the Premium MD 2010. If anyone has experience with this stuff please let me know!
Hey, I filled out the contact form Wednesday night right after my last post. If you e-mailed me back I don't see it. If there's another e-mail I should contact please let me know. Thanks!BotanicalBunny wrote:Shoot me an email or use the contact form and I'll get you fixed up.
KenMasters wrote:Hey, I filled out the contact form Wednesday night right after my last post. If you e-mailed me back I don't see it. If there's another e-mail I should contact please let me know. Thanks!BotanicalBunny wrote:Shoot me an email or use the contact form and I'll get you fixed up.
I have some MDJK on the way that I ordered after reading your post. A few other strains too. Can’t wait!KenMasters wrote:MDJK 12-2008: 9/10 Energy + Euphoria
Just got this stuff in to replace the 12-2010 Premium MD. It's excellent. The taste is fresh and I'm experiencing no nausea like I was with the 2010 Premium MD.
I don't want to discourage people from trying the 2010, but it strongly disagreed with me. All other products from BB have been superb.
I have some Green Nano on the way and I'll be sure to review that as well.
Hey Ballz, I thought I had responded but then remembered my phone tried to kill itself at that very moment. Right now, there is no more Premium Wild Red, but there should be more in store the next couple of weeks. It's worth the stalk. The stalking. PWR is a red that boasts a powder the color green. Not a deeply fermented red, an excellent mid-spec that is all encompassing powerful. It packs a serious punch and delivers a full-body enhanced sense of well being and of course, pain control. I just love the stuff. If it comes back, WHEN it comes back, grab at it.BallzDeep9 wrote:Hi Angela, last year I ordered BB's Red Bali was a very dark batch, brick red.. not my thing really. What is the color of new Premium Wild?WhiteAngelica wrote:.... will have a review of the Red Bali forthcoming, but I can tell you the Prem. Wild Red is fire. I'm in love!
Yes they've got photos on the website, BUT, we all probably know .. those are not "actual" photos of each Batch!
Uh oh, It may take until after Xmas for your order to arrive, unprecedented workloads with covid and the holidays. Ordered from a Vendor 12/01 and the package finally arrived at my local hub over the weekend, is still sitting there.f1vefour wrote:Just ordered some MDJK and Green Luck, I hope one hits as I've let myself get super low on stock.
Slim pickings unfortunately, not a single red in stock.
I paid the extra $3 for priority and I'm in Florida, usually get it in two days but I'm hoping no more than three. It shipped today.WickedMadScientist wrote:Uh oh, It may take until after Xmas for your order to arrive, unprecedented workloads with covid and the holidays. Ordered from a Vendor 12/01 and the package finally arrived at my local hub over the weekend, is still sitting there.f1vefour wrote:Just ordered some MDJK and Green Luck, I hope one hits as I've let myself get super low on stock.
Slim pickings unfortunately, not a single red in stock.
