Re-Leaf LLC Reviews

[brave777]

This review is for " RELAXX #1556. "

I would say its a lot similar to Gumby's stuff in many ways. I don't feel that hard edge hit but its very nicely balanced. If i take my regular dose, it takes longer to to feel, like 1 hour and 30 min. And after that its a nice calm very mild relax feel to it. I gave it to a friend of mine who does it once a week, and they said same thing, they had very mild feel to it, leaning on relaxing side of it, barley could feel but its there. If i take more, it seems to grow and that balanced relaxing feel also grows. One thing i noticed, it is not bitter at all, and almost like powder like which can be a plus for some. Has zero smell. I can see someone buy it who wants to have something very mild relaxing feel without no surprising pronounced edge to it. Not over powering in any way. Its was a pleasure to down it my throat, was smooth with out or barley any bitterness. So what i started doing is, adding 2 or 3 grams on top of my old dose and it mellows out any edge kratom that i might of had few hours ago. I do the same with THF kratom. But if you had a red kratom, and 1 or 2 hour later add this RELAXX #1556 , it does make it stand out a lot better. If i had to rate it, i would give it 7/10 . Def unique and has quality feel to it.

Now being here for a long time, i know that this forum dedicated to have quality none expensive kratom, and i can see a lot of us here can be very unhappy to see high prices introduced here from outside. Since Joe send free kratom sample, least i can do is leave fair review of what i think about it. I also dont use Facebook and other places that Joe is introducing to earn points from. I know a lot of us here don't use Facebook. I can def see those who don't have a job, can hustle by doing referral and get free kratom by bringing people to site. I also prefer one click buy or something like what socal has split75 or sample9, that would be a lot more simple and i would be a happy camper. And i just got a email that he is having a sale, if you follow instruction your kilo should come down to 99$. This is what it said " It is a special for $116.50 but with the coupon it is $99 with FREE SHIPPING! "

10% off code : GREHVD2MEU < you can use this code to bring it down to 99$.

If you get confused and some reason don't see it come to 99$, i would advice email or call Joe.
If Joe reads this, would advice to post instruction in "Kratom Vendor Listing" , because it was very well explained in email and how it works.

[Somethingsacred]

Joe seems like a good knowledgeable dude, I bought once from him , def want to revisit his products !

Thx for the review

[Cgroom14]

My recent order included:
White 1526
White 1484
White 1546
Green 1551
Green 1512
Green 1571
Red 1356
Red 1541
High Class #101
High Class #102
High Class #103
High Class # 104

All I can say is WOW. Some of the highest quality powder you will find. His Normal phenotype menu is right up there with his “High Class” strains but he offers this High Class option for people that are looking for rare, Tree and curing method specific, extremely potent leaf. All of these phenotypes worked wonders for me. But really recommend trying his High Class phenotypes. Probably some of the most potent powdered Kratom I have ever had.

[BallzDeep9]

Now being here for a long time, i know that this forum dedicated to have quality none expensive kratom, and i can see a lot of us here can be very unhappy to see high prices introduced here from outside. Since Joe send free kratom sample, least i can do is leave fair review of what i think about it.

I also dont use Facebook and other places that Joe is introducing to earn points from. I know a lot of us here don't use Facebook. I can def see those who don't have a job, can hustle by doing referral and get free kratom by bringing people to site ....

Here's the deal - We NOW know the value of plain leaf kratom. Maybe when Joe started years ago, kratom was new? People were in the dark about TRUE cost from Indo.. What is the "going price" from quality USA re-sellers? Price IS determined by the market... 300 online vendors. This Vendor List does not SET value - I try to educate consumers, about TRUE prices online.

Here comes The Internet. Amazon is doing very well.. Retail stores are closing. Malls were empty this Xmas!! WHY? Because smart consumers, want lower prices.. Ignorant and poor folks.. pay more for the same products at Retail. I think Re-Leaf like many older vendors, had "visions of profit". Now, he's doing Coupon deals - last I checked, his Quarter Kilo price was $97 for 250 grams? That's crazy.

Joe can re-name, and re-package his plain leaf Indonesian kratom, all he wants.. Hype IT to the max!! Bottom line.. Kratom is kratom. It only gets SO strong, you cannot O.D. on kratom, and NO plain leaf powder, is as potent/ strong as a quality Lab made kratom Extract.. But most kratom products, are basically way, over priced for your "Bang for the Buck".

Regarding the idea of paying a bribe, to hustle fake "reviews" on the Internet? Facebook and YouTube? Those reviews are not done freely and willingly... They are paid advertising. Seems rather dishonest ? aka spamming and uhh another word... Did the Fake President, commit High Crimes: bribery, extortion, in exchange for a political favor to benefit HIM? Yes, that got his ass impeached!!

[chortle]

Regarding the idea of paying a bribe, to hustle fake "reviews" on the Internet? Facebook and YouTube? Those reviews are not done freely and willingly... They are paid advertising. Seems rather dishonest ? aka spamming and uhh another word... Did the Fake President, commit High Crimes: bribery, extortion, in exchange for a political favor to benefit HIM? Yes, that got his ass impeached!!

Ugh, here we go with politics (US politics nevertheless!) Listen, I voted for the fool (dreaded the possibility of HRC as POTUS, with her we may already have been in a war with Russia, as she legit was calling for imposing a 'no-fly' zone over Syria, where Russia has a port, military bases, with some of their best military tech and aircraft. Yeah, that would have worked out well for the rest of humanity who just want to live our lives..! Trump talked rationally, convincing with reason and logic, that he was sincere in restoring relations with Russia, restoring rule of law to the USA, particularly to the oligarchy and plutocrats, ie HRC, we all know the list of crimes the Clinton mafia family have been involved with over the past decades, and talking up winding down the empire, less foreign interventionism/nation building. That spoke to me as also many millions of Americans who also are anti-war and wish to see our country built up, infrastructure projects and the like. Not. so. fast!

With Trump, however, being under the thumb of oligarchs such as Sheldon Adelson, and with minders such as Jared Kushner, best friends in Netanyahoo in Israel, Trump owes the Zionist oligarchs a great deal from their support over the years wrt his real estate empire, investments gone south and the like. So he is clearly compromised and instead of war with Russia, we may get war with Iran, which at least the nukes don't fly within days or weeks, we have that going for us.. but in the process Trump, on behalf of Israel, is pissing off pretty much the entire world as many powerful nations, such as China and also the EU, are dependent on Iran for oil. So he has worked tirelessly to isolate us from the world, piss everyone off and make us, esp our military servicemen and women, more vulnerable than we (and they) already were.

For his assassinating the Iranian general and Iraqi Muhandi, leader of the PMF, who both have been instrumental in disabling and destroying ISIS, among other terrorist orgs, from Iraq and Syria. This is well known. If they ought to impeach him on anything it ought to be this! And nearly bringing us to war with Iran. We should have left there long ago, the entire region! But there is the trouble of defending the 'Petro-dollar', if that loses key support, the USA oligarchs, powers that be, plutocrats, what have you, have a real problem on their hands! Goodbye welfare, and most importantly, the warfare state (trillion dollar a year gravy train that is the military-industrial-intelligence complex); when king dollar falls into collapse, given such a scenario.

Enjoying the comforts and safety we do everyday, people have no idea what goes in to that, or what the true costs of sustaining this artificial status quo. The true face of that is murder, plunder, corporate/banking/MIC/plutocrat led, neo-colonialism, sanction regimes, economic/financial warfare. That is the ugly, cold reality that nobody wants to see. We can't blame a single person for this monster we have all created, willingly, indirectly, unconsciously (through non-stop propaganda across all the senses) or whatever. It makes sense that we have Trump (or almost HRC) as the leader of this monster (PR leader anyway, the real power elite operate in the shadows, are appointed vs elected, a great deal of the bureacracy, "deep state", legions of Statist/crony-capitalist foot soldiers are appointed and not elected. So much for democracy. And if they can dominate what we see and hear, what with Citizens United, unlimited money poured into politics, propaganda, of what worth is such 'democracy'? Free, independent, critical thinking is not encouraged but paralyzed, stifled, etc.

And the trouble of impeaching Trump, we get the batsh!t crazy, dyed in the wool Zionist (far from Christian as can be! end times, rapture freaks who pray for armageddon 24/7, and being in power, have the means to manifest/engineer events to that end!) Mike Pence. After him, then we have Pelosi. After her, Pompeo. (I rest my case.)

*We all are the enemy, we always have been. I'm absolutely terrified, tbh. Life goes on. I don't have any children. I worry for those who do and for children growing into this sad, violent world.

Ok.. I better go take that super slow strain now (green Sentarum). Shall take a little extra

*"The ultimate and most important military target of the Capitalist propaganda empire is the American mind. Never forget that. This is because American mind is the enemy the capitalist ruling class fears the most. This is basic to Socialist awareness, which holds that the greatest fear of the capitalist bourgeoisie is the awakening consciousness of its own oppressed masses (i.e., its proletariat). Why is this so? Simply because the capitalist bourgeoisie actually do understand Marx. That is the force that can actually kill them (as they define death) is their own proletariat.

Recall that war is the activation of politics by other means. The political agenda is always protective warfare against the enemy one fears the most. For the capitalist it is that which must dig their grave in order to survive. That is the people.

Hence the war against Iraq instigated by the Bush dynasty has as its real deeper and hidden target the minds of the American people. It is this underlying motivation that Ramin’s article illustrates in detail." (from thesaker.is if anyone is interested in news and commentary from another angle.)

[BallzDeep9]

chortle! Nice rant, man, now I didn't wanna hijack this Re-Leaf Review but.. the bribery thing popped into my head. Against my better judgement, political zinger... your strain is green Sentarum? sounds like.. Rick Santorum?

Just goes to show, we CAN find common ground... Here and there. I do recall your political stuff on MeWe or Reddit... Same with Re-Leaf. I find Joe's posts here very interesting. I agree, with many things he writes about... ( just not his prices! lol ) and hope he's still around. Somewhere!

[beathappening]

Make a post in off topic if you want to talk Trump and those conspiracy theories, this isn't the place, just going to cause problems.

[chortle]

Yeah, ok, fair enough. And they aren't "conspiracy theories".

Nonetheless, time & place. Please pardon my bombastic, cranky mood the prior evening. Just went to get my khakis pressed and feel like listening to music again for a change! Been a rough new year so far but its gonna be a doozy of a year I feel. Just trying to find a new job, unemployment keeps denying me from re-opening my claim from when I lost my job last March. I worked almost 4 weeks, their condition to re-open that claim, in Dec overnights, 11hrs til 7am. (CBD helped a great deal with sleep). What a wonderful world, right! Never know what tomorrow may bring!

Haha, Ballz! You're alright, man. It is a place in Indonesia, of course.

https://bombasticborneo.com/2016/02/pon ... indonesia/

[Somethingsacred]

Thx for your thoughts Clark !! Good to see you here !! I’d like to try Re-leafs products again at some point ... the fact that he’s letting kilos go for 99$ is a great time to try ... wish I wasn’t in a financial rough spot . But this price is very tempting...
Hows the plants growing? I’m sure they’re beautiful and healthy !! Be good my friend ! Take care

In a small response to ballz and chortl...
I like the questioning and efforts in these exchanges to get points across, and then getting to a respectful place of just being lol ...

I appreciate both of your strong wills and view points !!

Thanks for keeping it real

[beathappening]

OT but I feel you- $99 is out of my price range too and what I would consider to be high in general.. if you're in a tight spot or just want a good deal, there are plenty of vendors that have kilos for around $70-$80 shipped. I don't want to list them here on releafs thread, but you can pm me or ask in the general forum.

[BallzDeep9]

the fact that he’s letting Kilos go for 99$ is a great time to try ...

OK but... wait a minute. Re-Leaf does NOT sell the Indo strains or batches... right? He sells number "phenotypes" NOT green Jong Kong. And he makes blends... so he has MORE product selection - and that's $99 for 1 kilo? No Splits?

I mean, follow the logic here. Re-Leaf blends.. He mixes the Jong Kong, Hulu Kapuas, and Sumatra strains together:

• He creates his "phenotypes" which are MORE in number, than # batches imported?
• He claims, (admits) that: His phenotypes have different effects. Right? Some better than others?

IF both A and B are true - Then as a consumer you MUST buy a larger # selection, to find the best product that "works" for YOU... IF you'd normally SPLIT a kilo 4-ways, then with Re-Leaf you'd need at least a 10-way Split... NO, he cannot claim that "All my products are good", he's already admitted they are different... He can't have it BOTH ways!!

This is why "Vendor Blends" are real stupid - He admits they are created according to his own "Judgement". He's got NO scientific method for mixing all those original Indo batches, into a big pile, then creating his silly phenotypes and re-naming everything... Then using numbers not names? Then saying yeah they're all different... But they're all the SAME? Sorry that does not compute!!. Maybe the idiots on Facebook are buying that BS ??

The bottom line for Consumer is: you'd need to Sample MORE of his products --> To find your favorite # out of his 800 phenotyples. Back to his 50 Gram samples.. which leads to.. More Money!! You'd really need a 20 Way SPLIT - to fairly sample his products. $99 per Kilo does that include a selection of 20 / Sample bags at 50 grams each?

[Cgroom14]

the fact that he’s letting Kilos go for 99$ is a great time to try ...

OK but... wait a minute. Re-Leaf does NOT sell the Indo strains or batches... right? He sells number "phenotypes" NOT green Jong Kong. And he makes blends... so he has MORE product selection - and that's $99 for 1 kilo? No Splits?

I mean, follow the logic here. Re-Leaf blends.. He mixes the Jong Kong, Hulu Kapuas, and Sumatra strains together:

• He creates his "phenotypes" which are MORE in number, than # batches imported?
• He claims, (admits) that: His phenotypes have different effects. Right? Some better than others?

IF both A and B are true - Then as a consumer you MUST buy a larger # selection, to find the best product that "works" for YOU... IF you'd normally SPLIT a kilo 4-ways, then with Re-Leaf you'd need at least a 10-way Split... NO, he cannot claim that "All my products are good", he's already admitted they are different... He can't have it BOTH ways!!

This is why "Vendor Blends" are real stupid - He admits they are created according to his own "Judgement". He's got NO scientific method for mixing all those original Indo batches, into a big pile, then creating his silly phenotypes and re-naming everything... Then using numbers not names? Then saying yeah they're all different... But they're all the SAME? Sorry that does not compute!!. Maybe the idiots on Facebook are buying that BS ??

The bottom line for Consumer is: you'd need to Sample MORE of his products --> To find your favorite # out of his 800 phenotyples. Back to his 50 Gram samples.. which leads to.. More Money!! You'd really need a 20 Way SPLIT - to fairly sample his products. $99 per Kilo does that include a selection of 20 / Sample bags at 50 grams each?

The $99 sale he has going on is a 20-way split kilo bro!

[Cgroom14]

Thx for your thoughts Clark !! Good to see you here !! I’d like to try Re-leafs products again at some point ... the fact that he’s letting kilos go for 99$ is a great time to try ... wish I wasn’t in a financial rough spot . But this price is very tempting...
Hows the plants growing? I’m sure they’re beautiful and healthy !! Be good my friend ! Take care

In a small response to ballz and chortl...
I like the questioning and efforts in these exchanges to get points across, and then getting to a respectful place of just being lol ...

I appreciate both of your strong wills and view points !!

Thanks for keeping it real

Somethingscared what’s up brother!!! You will most definitely have to treat yourself at some point and buy some re-leaf Kratom. Also, y’all need to check out Joes new Kratom show on you called “The Best Kratom Show”. You will learn an Insaine amount knowledge. He just started it up but episode 1 was really good.

[oohger]

checked out Joe's Best Kratom Show. kept my attention. learned stuff. Caught a Double M Member or two on the "Live Chat".
will tune back in.

[Cgroom14]

checked out Joe's Best Kratom Show. kept my attention. learned stuff. Caught a Double M Member or two on the "Live Chat".
will tune back in.

Nice!! I really enjoyed it to and learned a whole lot and I’ve been using Kratom for 5 years and growing it for 2. Ready for the next episode!!

[chortle]

checked out Joe's Best Kratom Show. kept my attention. learned stuff. Caught a Double M Member or two on the "Live Chat".
will tune back in.

Nice!! I really enjoyed it to and learned a whole lot and I’ve been using Kratom for 5 years and growing it for 2. Ready for the next episode!!

Psh! C'mon!



Interesting.. I'll check it out!

[Closedeyesearch]

how can we find the kratom show thing?

[chortle]

how can we find the kratom show thing?

Google is your (useful) ally:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_FeJW ... LJw/videos

[GrannyJ62]

Now this is educating and entertaining yes I love this place

[brave777]

Re-leaf i dont think they have any greens or whites, i tried a bunch of sample for work and it seems none are hit for All-purpose samples, if he reads this, i think he need to add some green to his collection or whites. A lot of all-pupose made me relax or no energy or wanting to work. It works but not the works i want at the moment. And in his video he is against labeling like green Malay oe other fancy names when i think its important because it symbolizes fast or slow. Most green malay i tried is on a fast speedy energy, some are clean fast energy. I yet to find this in phenotype? Its in no way bashing, its a fact, i did not find any whites or greens in any of the samples. If you read this Joe, please name white and green with batch #. all-pupose or phenotypes you not sure what speed or sedation vs energy you getting. I really wanted to do blends but there is no way making a blend because I dont know what type of kratom iam holding in my hands... You dont have to add fancy names, if its speedy or lift me up, can you stamp white with batch #? i know you reading this, also if its green then label it Green with batch #. All purpose or relax is not detailed enough, its like iam fishing in millions of possibility of what it can turn out to be. I dont mind if you add fancy names too, like if it had white effects, and from hulu area, then name it simple White Hulu and a batch #. This format makes more sense to me. anyone feel the same here? The kratom it self is good, its just i prefer better labeling.

Everyone knows, i speak almost against every vendor except few that i didnt have any problems with. I rather be honest and voice the concerns right away to help the double m forum members to make a better choice. No one wants to go trough lots of phenotype's to find the white effect or green effect. But i think you do the whole tree dry, maybe thats why there is none of that white or green? Could it be that young tree gives that fast green feel? there is a lot of stuff i am not sure or people wont be sure if its true what you say in video, because there is no way for us to test it our selfs. for ecample, i want to try the young 2-3 year tree's my self. But i need to know 100% it young tree's. No one knows what tree leaf they buying from all vendors or how old the tree's are, we can only take it by word if the vendor mentions it.

[KSAVEDME]

Well, I have tried many vendors and I have never seen someone go as far as Re-leaf llc goes with trying to stand out and present a unique spin on the confusing strain names. No matter what you do it will be confusing and not make sense. Never understood the regions thing either.... and listening to him explain the science behind the trees it seriously tears apart any region logic people have wanting to have regions listed. People really dont understand the plant if they think that regions are accurate. I've shopped A LOT around the internet and if he really has all that variety, that is crazy. That place has so much and everytime I order the leaf is different and also quality. Most places have decent stuff sometimes. He has always had great stuff. I've never seen a $100 budget on a kilo work out. As I have close friends that do this and it seems like they are always complaining every other order. Makes no sense to cheap out.... My buddy buys from places on here and also old reddit vendors and I will 100% vouche that I get more consistency from the all the more well known places I order than my friends that swear by regions and certain vendors but always complaining about vendors or the regions. He bums off my "highfalutin" stash all the time. I get it though. I understand most those people have to pay those prices. But, just as in life. You pay for what you get. The funniest thing is when people really think they can predict an effect by region. It is the single silliest thought. Tested that too... bunch of different vendors with the same regions... heck even the same vendor ... same region... two dif orders. I dont like the way it is confusing but the whole industry did that. People are happy with their silly little lies on the labels. But its all in their head. Kratom is kratom. If you look at a new menu and think you know what your going to get by a name... You are delusional. Anyone. They are very much not thinking clearly and the placebo effect has cemented itself into the ideology of their everyday life. I find a lot of the lower budget people will get together and group up and then convince themselves that they are the majority when places like Kraken Kratom are out there killing it. On thing to remember is the "price hate" .. a lot of times people are hating because a product is out of budget. This is a real thing. My friends do it. Im sure youve seen people do it. But it doesnt happend in reverse to much. People just dont praise because of more pricey options. So the internet is pre-destined to be made to appear the cheaper product is the same. As a matter of fact most people are forums dont purchase from the major players. Which leads me to believe that people willing to spend money are generally happier because they arent usually found on forums. I mean your occasionally one here or there but the pyschology makes sense. Anyhow Ill be back from work in a week or so. Ill holler!

[acejestyr15]

You can have your beyond overpriced number coded leaf, that is blended differently each and every time.... No less the fact that it's coming from an arrogant know it all that can't even follow simple directions!!

This review may have been viewed as legitimate or even useful if you weren't insulting anyone who views things the slightest bit differently from yourself!! Next time, try just typing up a simple review and keeping the pre-emptive defensive/offensive rambling out of it?! Idk, that's just me!!!

[neuropathy1]

Re-leaf i dont think they have any greens or whites, i tried a bunch of sample for work and it seems none are hit for All-purpose samples, if he reads this, i think he need to add some green to his collection or whites. A lot of all-pupose made me relax or no energy or wanting to work. It works but not the works i want at the moment. And in his video he is against labeling like green Malay oe other fancy names when i think its important because it symbolizes fast or slow. Most green malay i tried is on a fast speedy energy, some are clean fast energy. I yet to find this in phenotype? Its in no way bashing, its a fact, i did not find any whites or greens in any of the samples. If you read this Joe, please name white and green with batch #. all-pupose or phenotypes you not sure what speed or sedation vs energy you getting. I really wanted to do blends but there is no way making a blend because I dont know what type of kratom iam holding in my hands... You dont have to add fancy names, if its speedy or lift me up, can you stamp white with batch #? i know you reading this, also if its green then label it Green with batch #. All purpose or relax is not detailed enough, its like iam fishing in millions of possibility of what it can turn out to be. I dont mind if you add fancy names too, like if it had white effects, and from hulu area, then name it simple White Hulu and a batch #. This format makes more sense to me. anyone feel the same here? The kratom it self is good, its just i prefer better labeling.

Everyone knows, i speak almost against every vendor except few that i didnt have any problems with. I rather be honest and voice the concerns right away to help the double m forum members to make a better choice. No one wants to go trough lots of phenotype's to find the white effect or green effect. But i think you do the whole tree dry, maybe thats why there is none of that white or green? Could it be that young tree gives that fast green feel? there is a lot of stuff i am not sure or people wont be sure if its true what you say in video, because there is no way for us to test it our selfs. for ecample, i want to try the young 2-3 year tree's my self. But i need to know 100% it young tree's. No one knows what tree leaf they buying from all vendors or how old the tree's are, we can only take it by word if the vendor mentions it.

Hhhhhmmmm, interesting-you joined doublem on January 13th!

[BallzDeep9]

Well, I have tried many vendors and I have never seen someone go as far as Re-leaf llc goes with trying to stand out and present a unique spin on the confusing strain names.

He's definitely unique.. I am a fan of Joe's NEW YouTube channel "The Best Show" here's the LINK: YouTube The Best Show - hey ANY kratomite will find something of interest there.. Warning: You must also Fast Forward through lots of rambling and BS, to get to the good stuff, But it's there!!

I've never seen a $100 budget on a kilo work out. As I have close friends that do this and it seems like they are always complaining every other order. Makes no sense to cheap out ... bunch of different vendors with the same regions... heck even the same vendor ... same region... two diff orders. I dont like the way it is confusing but the whole industry did that.

Joe imports his kratom, from the same Indo suppliers, as other vendors. Except that Joe re-names and blends his kratom and then, sells it for twice as much.. compared to others? Or more than double? I guess I don't get why anyone would pay 2X money for the exact same leaf? We've seen his List of suppliers. There's not THAT many solid, professional, Indo suppliers ... like you say, kratom is kratom. Why is Re-Leaf asking $$ just for changing the Indo name? Yes we all know some regions are false. Some regions are true. Much kratom IS in fact, harvested in the Hulu Kapuas region... Why should we pay double, for his silly number # gag? The product IS Green Hulu Kapuas.. it's not Re-Leaf's product. It's a product of Indonesia and Joe is just a middle-man... same as other USA vendors. Except he's charging double for the same thing. With a side order of BS!!

[Mean Malay]

Re-leaf i dont think they have any greens or whites, i tried a bunch of sample for work and it seems none are hit for All-purpose samples, if he reads this, i think he need to add some green to his collection or whites. A lot of all-pupose made me relax or no energy or wanting to work. It works but not the works i want at the moment. And in his video he is against labeling like green Malay oe other fancy names when i think its important because it symbolizes fast or slow. Most green malay i tried is on a fast speedy energy, some are clean fast energy. I yet to find this in phenotype? Its in no way bashing, its a fact, i did not find any whites or greens in any of the samples. If you read this Joe, please name white and green with batch #. all-pupose or phenotypes you not sure what speed or sedation vs energy you getting. I really wanted to do blends but there is no way making a blend because I dont know what type of kratom iam holding in my hands... You dont have to add fancy names, if its speedy or lift me up, can you stamp white with batch #? i know you reading this, also if its green then label it Green with batch #. All purpose or relax is not detailed enough, its like iam fishing in millions of possibility of what it can turn out to be. I dont mind if you add fancy names too, like if it had white effects, and from hulu area, then name it simple White Hulu and a batch #. This format makes more sense to me. anyone feel the same here? The kratom it self is good, its just i prefer better labeling.

Everyone knows, i speak almost against every vendor except few that i didnt have any problems with. I rather be honest and voice the concerns right away to help the double m forum members to make a better choice. No one wants to go trough lots of phenotype's to find the white effect or green effect. But i think you do the whole tree dry, maybe thats why there is none of that white or green? Could it be that young tree gives that fast green feel? there is a lot of stuff i am not sure or people wont be sure if its true what you say in video, because there is no way for us to test it our selfs. for ecample, i want to try the young 2-3 year tree's my self. But i need to know 100% it young tree's. No one knows what tree leaf they buying from all vendors or how old the tree's are, we can only take it by word if the vendor mentions it.

I am with you on this.

I've seen a lot of good reviews abotu releaf and decided to give it a try. called Joe and he gave me his whole spiel which he sold me on. Got a 10 way split for a kilo and went through all of them.....and they were all genuinely the worst kratom i've ever had. I'm not saying this just to spite him or anything, but it was my honest experience. I felt literally no effects. I've never ever bought a 10 way split from a vendor and had them ALL not work. The only time i got one to work was when i mixed his "sweet relaxxxx" with ANOTHER vendors red, and it was probably the OTHER vendors kratom i was feeling. I feel like i wasted my money on this trite and i don't care how truant he makes himself seem by not giving it names and only numbers, the end result is as a kratom user, i don't feel it. I'd much rather go through the conventional naming process regardless of how inaccurate it is and actually get results from my kratom, rather than some ingeniously pretentious numerical system which i can't even identify or feel the effects of, but i guess no matter what you call it, if it's bad kratom, then it's bad kratom. He definitely set himself apart in the marketing department at least.

[brave777]

Re-leaf i dont think they have any greens or whites, i tried a bunch of sample for work and it seems none are hit for All-purpose samples, if he reads this, i think he need to add some green to his collection or whites. A lot of all-pupose made me relax or no energy or wanting to work. It works but not the works i want at the moment. And in his video he is against labeling like green Malay oe other fancy names when i think its important because it symbolizes fast or slow. Most green malay i tried is on a fast speedy energy, some are clean fast energy. I yet to find this in phenotype? Its in no way bashing, its a fact, i did not find any whites or greens in any of the samples. If you read this Joe, please name white and green with batch #. all-pupose or phenotypes you not sure what speed or sedation vs energy you getting. I really wanted to do blends but there is no way making a blend because I dont know what type of kratom iam holding in my hands... You dont have to add fancy names, if its speedy or lift me up, can you stamp white with batch #? i know you reading this, also if its green then label it Green with batch #. All purpose or relax is not detailed enough, its like iam fishing in millions of possibility of what it can turn out to be. I dont mind if you add fancy names too, like if it had white effects, and from hulu area, then name it simple White Hulu and a batch #. This format makes more sense to me. anyone feel the same here? The kratom it self is good, its just i prefer better labeling.

Everyone knows, i speak almost against every vendor except few that i didnt have any problems with. I rather be honest and voice the concerns right away to help the double m forum members to make a better choice. No one wants to go trough lots of phenotype's to find the white effect or green effect. But i think you do the whole tree dry, maybe thats why there is none of that white or green? Could it be that young tree gives that fast green feel? there is a lot of stuff i am not sure or people wont be sure if its true what you say in video, because there is no way for us to test it our selfs. for ecample, i want to try the young 2-3 year tree's my self. But i need to know 100% it young tree's. No one knows what tree leaf they buying from all vendors or how old the tree's are, we can only take it by word if the vendor mentions it.

I am with you on this.

I've seen a lot of good reviews abotu releaf and decided to give it a try. called Joe and he gave me his whole spiel which he sold me on. Got a 10 way split for a kilo and went through all of them.....and they were all genuinely the worst kratom i've ever had. I'm not saying this just to spite him or anything, but it was my honest experience. I felt literally no effects. I've never ever bought a 10 way split from a vendor and had them ALL not work. The only time i got one to work was when i mixed his "sweet relaxxxx" with ANOTHER vendors red, and it was probably the OTHER vendors kratom i was feeling. I feel like i wasted my money on this trite and i don't care how truant he makes himself seem by not giving it names and only numbers, the end result is as a kratom user, i don't feel it. I'd much rather go through the conventional naming process regardless of how inaccurate it is and actually get results from my kratom, rather than some ingeniously pretentious numerical system which i can't even identify or feel the effects of, but i guess no matter what you call it, if it's bad kratom, then it's bad kratom. He definitely set himself apart in the marketing department at least.

I was actually confused why no one said anything till now, i tried increasing and the samples just did not work, the only one i felt was high class one but to me it was just normal kratom. Can someone ask Joe how much of it he takes for normal samples? if its 30 grams + per dose, thats some weak kratom, i think its the 500 CBD that he is feeling, not the kratom. But he needs to clear steer all other herbs, pepper extract or what ever he taking for a month and try only his samples. Then i would like to see his view on it, its only fair. I think the CBD and pepper extract that he is talking about is the stuff that makes him feel good. It could be other meds he takes that makes him feel good, not kratom or maybe some from it. I mean the one i would buy is high class category thats only if it is 80$. High Class is a big name, it should be just called Maeng Da. Because its simply translated to Pimp Grade. Even that you have to take 24 hour break to feel it, if you take any vendor like mitra, liza, smiley, lucky or any of the popular once, you might not feel anything from high class. make sure you give 24 hours. My problem is, i never found one that give white or green effect, to me all"all purpose" was like weak reds. I tried plenty of times for work hoping the next phenotype will work but instead it made me extremely lazy and sometimes sleepy. So if you plan on using his stuff, using after work and take extra then your usual normal dose. This is my true opinion. I enjoyed the videos and the tree pictures but i have a feeling a lot of stuff is assumed by him and mixed with some truth. I still enjoy watching his videos. I for now stopped using the samples because i am enjoying a lot more Mitra PMD, and luckys different greens. Also finishing up fused samples, and rotate some 7ohm greens, since i work a lot i need the greens and whites. I so far didnt find that in re leaf.

[Mean Malay]

Re-leaf i dont think they have any greens or whites, i tried a bunch of sample for work and it seems none are hit for All-purpose samples, if he reads this, i think he need to add some green to his collection or whites. A lot of all-pupose made me relax or no energy or wanting to work. It works but not the works i want at the moment. And in his video he is against labeling like green Malay oe other fancy names when i think its important because it symbolizes fast or slow. Most green malay i tried is on a fast speedy energy, some are clean fast energy. I yet to find this in phenotype? Its in no way bashing, its a fact, i did not find any whites or greens in any of the samples. If you read this Joe, please name white and green with batch #. all-pupose or phenotypes you not sure what speed or sedation vs energy you getting. I really wanted to do blends but there is no way making a blend because I dont know what type of kratom iam holding in my hands... You dont have to add fancy names, if its speedy or lift me up, can you stamp white with batch #? i know you reading this, also if its green then label it Green with batch #. All purpose or relax is not detailed enough, its like iam fishing in millions of possibility of what it can turn out to be. I dont mind if you add fancy names too, like if it had white effects, and from hulu area, then name it simple White Hulu and a batch #. This format makes more sense to me. anyone feel the same here? The kratom it self is good, its just i prefer better labeling.

Everyone knows, i speak almost against every vendor except few that i didnt have any problems with. I rather be honest and voice the concerns right away to help the double m forum members to make a better choice. No one wants to go trough lots of phenotype's to find the white effect or green effect. But i think you do the whole tree dry, maybe thats why there is none of that white or green? Could it be that young tree gives that fast green feel? there is a lot of stuff i am not sure or people wont be sure if its true what you say in video, because there is no way for us to test it our selfs. for ecample, i want to try the young 2-3 year tree's my self. But i need to know 100% it young tree's. No one knows what tree leaf they buying from all vendors or how old the tree's are, we can only take it by word if the vendor mentions it.

I am with you on this.

I've seen a lot of good reviews abotu releaf and decided to give it a try. called Joe and he gave me his whole spiel which he sold me on. Got a 10 way split for a kilo and went through all of them.....and they were all genuinely the worst kratom i've ever had. I'm not saying this just to spite him or anything, but it was my honest experience. I felt literally no effects. I've never ever bought a 10 way split from a vendor and had them ALL not work. The only time i got one to work was when i mixed his "sweet relaxxxx" with ANOTHER vendors red, and it was probably the OTHER vendors kratom i was feeling. I feel like i wasted my money on this trite and i don't care how truant he makes himself seem by not giving it names and only numbers, the end result is as a kratom user, i don't feel it. I'd much rather go through the conventional naming process regardless of how inaccurate it is and actually get results from my kratom, rather than some ingeniously pretentious numerical system which i can't even identify or feel the effects of, but i guess no matter what you call it, if it's bad kratom, then it's bad kratom. He definitely set himself apart in the marketing department at least.

I was actually confused why no one said anything till now, i tried increasing and the samples just did not work, the only one i felt was high class one but to me it was just normal kratom. Can someone ask Joe how much of it he takes for normal samples? if its 30 grams + per dose, thats some weak kratom, i think its the 500 CBD that he is feeling, not the kratom. But he needs to clear steer all other herbs, pepper extract or what ever he taking for a month and try only his samples. Then i would like to see his view on it, its only fair. I think the CBD and pepper extract that he is talking about is the stuff that makes him feel good. It could be other meds he takes that makes him feel good, not kratom or maybe some from it. I mean the one i would buy is high class category thats only if it is 80$. High Class is a big name, it should be just called Maeng Da. Because its simply translated to Pimp Grade. Even that you have to take 24 hour break to feel it, if you take any vendor like mitra, liza, smiley, lucky or any of the popular once, you might not feel anything from high class. make sure you give 24 hours. My problem is, i never found one that give white or green effect, to me all"all purpose" was like weak reds. I tried plenty of times for work hoping the next phenotype will work but instead it made me extremely lazy and sometimes sleepy. So if you plan on using his stuff, using after work and take extra then your usual normal dose. This is my true opinion. I enjoyed the videos and the tree pictures but i have a feeling a lot of stuff is assumed by him and mixed with some truth. I still enjoy watching his videos. I for now stopped using the samples because i am enjoying a lot more Mitra PMD, and luckys different greens. Also finishing up fused samples, and rotate some 7ohm greens, since i work a lot i need the greens and whites. I so far didnt find that in re leaf.

I've mentioned this on another forum and everyone else vouched for him and i just don't get it. I am aware of "body chemistry", but i really don't think that is the case in this instance.

You're right. I was using Mitra's kratom mainly and didn't even feel releaf's kratom at all. Even attributed it to my high tolerance (which was only 18gpd) and did a taper to 6gpd and STILL didn't feel anything. It's completely bunk to me at this point. It has absolutely no mood/energy impact like you've mentioned and DOES make me tired without pain relief as well. The best (i use that word loosely) one i've tried was relaxx #1328. like i said, i had to mix it with Mitra's red to even feel it, but i was probably just feeling mitra's. I didn't know he had other "high class" kratom and i would've got that had i known, but why even sell the other weaker stuff when your "high class" is everyone elses regular kratom? Doesn't make sense to me and i'm glad i found someone with the same experience because everyone else is saying the complete opposite and i was thinking something was wrong with me.

If you don't mind, would you specify which greens and whites are your favorite from which vendor? We seem to have the same taste in kratom and i'm looking for other vendors. Mitra's PMD was okay, but i preferred his red and green MD, (his red MD is surprisingly energetic), green JK, green kap (i believe), white borneo, and white kap is pretty good.

[nomdeplume420]

With all due respect, I hope it's just you, I literally just ordered from them yesterday and I will be PISSED if it has no effects...

[CatfatherB]

With all due respect, I hope it's just you, I literally just ordered from them yesterday and I will be PISSED if it has no effects...

From the way Joe talked on his last podcast he was shutting Re-Leaf down to change some things after Mac Haddow gave him a pretty sound legal spanking?

[guitartodd77]

Caveat emptor.

[CatfatherB]

Caveat emptor.

Especially when you're buying a 50 gram bag for 15-20 bucks..

[RumRunner]

With all due respect, I hope it's just you, I literally just ordered from them yesterday and I will be PISSED if it has no effects...

How do you make informed choices when faced with his numbering system? What makes #1536 different than #1637?

[BobDylanKratom]

With all due respect, I hope it's just you, I literally just ordered from them yesterday and I will be PISSED if it has no effects...

From the way Joe talked on his last podcast he was shutting Re-Leaf down to change some things after Mac Haddow gave him a pretty sound legal spanking?

I saw that podcast and agree, Mac came off as reasonable, knowledgeable and level-headed, while Joe seemed ill-prepared to defend (or even state clearly) his positions. I hadn’t heard he was shutting down Re-leaf, but perhaps that would be for the best.

Joe taught me a lot about kratom strain myths when I first started taking it, which was invaluable as I began to shop around for quality leaf. I don’t know if his unique naming system is better than others’ (is "#1699 White/Enurgie Phenotype” better or worse than “Super Green Jong Kong Donkey #3”?), but I would welcome more information on exactly what his products represent. I for one think that regions do matter, and that “vein” colors are helpful when shopping around, but I’m relatively new to this and I’m certainly no expert.

I enjoy some of his phenotypes, and his blends even more. #1501 Maximum Glee #6 Blend is probably my favorite, I also like #1604 Long Shifter Blend and #1477 Sekadau's Mint Blend — all of which are upper-mid for me. #1647 Artificial Intelligence Blend is another good one and more mid-spec. I’ve tried most of the High-Class offerings and IF YOU DON’T MIND THE HIGH PRICES I’d recommend #104, #105 and #106. Let’s face it, there are many individuals with disposable incomes who don’t really consider price but are interested in trying different leaf from different vendors in the never-ending pursuit of the mythical “best” product. This despite the fact that — as many folks more knowledgeable the me on these forums have repeated stated — ultimately, all kratom comes from the same species of tree in Indonesia. For those on a budget, there are more affordable options for sure. “Quality” will always be subjective.

But the prices are high, and when there is so much good leaf available for less, I don’t see how his business can grow without some serious restructuring around pricing. I hope he does make some changes in this department, as I find him entertaining and helpful and above all a passionate advocate for kratom in general — something that is needed as more states and the US government seek to regulate or ban our favorite leaf.

More than any other vendor, Re-leaf seems to be the most polarizing. This topic always make for fun reading, if nothing else!

[nomdeplume420]

checked out Joe's Best Kratom Show. kept my attention. learned stuff. Caught a Double M Member or two on the "Live Chat".
will tune back in.

Nice!! I really enjoyed it too and learned a whole lot and I’ve been using Kratom for 5 years and growing it for 2. Ready for the next episode!!

So...are you somewhere you can grow a tropical tree? I am in the northeast and I didn't really consider the fact that kratom is a TREE...its really too big to be a houseplant anymore... I don't know if I should move it to my mom's in Florida or eat it. It just sits here in my dining room, but the last time I transplanted it I could barely fit it through the doorway. So there is nothing I can to but prune it back.

With all due respect, I hope it's just you, I literally just ordered from them yesterday and I will be PISSED if it has no effects...

How do you make informed choices when faced with his numbering system? What makes #1536 different than #1637?

Honestly? I just picked 4 strains at random. One of them was a " high class " strain I believe, but there was only one choice. I thought since he was honest about the reality of strains kind of being bullshit, it was worth a shot. I have been watching kratom grow and at the very least I can say definitively a yellow stain is just a tree with a nitrogen deficiency.

[MissWorld]

I've had some amazing releaf that I got from smiley awhile ago (back when he still had strain names) so I had a little extra money and bought a kilo. The deal for new customers. I was SO excited, i thought at least a few were going to be like those samples I got. When absolutely none of them worked, I blamed it on my tolerance (sosa reds can do that to you when it's super good) so I took a break. A break the same way I always do because it even makes RVA knock my socks off when I dose after this break.. still absolutely NOTHING. I don't leave bad reviews, I only go out of my way to recommend a good one but I have to agree on this. Super disappointed.

[Burninator]

I used Releaf primarily for about 6 months a couple years ago. Bought into the hype. I regret it now because I wasted so much money on Kratom that wasn’t any better than what I’ve been getting now for a fraction of the price.

Also, it all just rubbed me the wrong way. Even at the time...but I was still convinced the Kratom was worth it and I had money to blow... His whole phenotype philosophy and the way he likes to rant about the dishonesty among all the other vendors seemed a hell of a lot like a smokescreen to keep people compliant and trusting while he bent them over with his obscene prices... And forcing his customers to promote him unless they wanted to pay triple price was the worst part of all. That was some sketchy shit, man.

[brave777]

Ok i tested some times and have to say that releaf kratom works at 10 to 13 grams per dose, i think the micro grind maybe killed some of the effects i am not sure when you consume low dose, and all his kratom seems micro/nano? i mean it easy to consume but for it to work, if anyone got it, it does work, just have to take higher amount. and it works great. Decided to trow this out just in case you got some laying around. But if you do buy, go always for higher class version, i think those are the tested once, other once you will gamble. Like i know TFH does a lot of sample testing and removes the weak batches i am not sure if releaf does the same except with high class beacuse how would he know its high class?

I had some RSO CBD, i had some with it, man his stuff works perfect just to tip toe into bliss. you didnt waste your money if still got some, give it another chance just at higher dose. It somehow have very calm relaxing feeling, just chill... I know judging from joe past post, he does add other stuff with it, so it makes sense he might not notice if its good quality or bad since all the extra's around it dull the true judgement, making it think its all fire. But it sure id awesome at higher dose. I bet anyone have thc products where its legal probably will have most blast out of it. If i can feel it with CBD i am sure you will with vapes and other stuff.. Reason why i decided to revisit because i remember i had this weak batch and i was taking 8 grams every dose, and a new batch knocked me out when it was stronger. so, yes there is weak batches, to fix that you have to just increase intake. maybe thats why 3 - 6 a dose is considered normal because some batches vary in strength. How do you know its weak? when you feel almost nothing from it but barley anything comparing to your fire batch that always works as a hit when taken. So sometimes weak batches can even be FIRE and better feeling over all the stronger batches if increased or double the amount or maybe triple? I mean if you make shakes often, i can see how 20 grams of releaf stuff will work great in it. Don't expect nothing from it but you will def notice the difference. I am glad that i revisited, because he did send me a bunch of samples before. So dont let it collect dust, use it. I can see how if you scared to give it to elders, this can be perfect for them since will produce zero any extra's. Even at high dose, it is extremely friendly and smooth mellow fire kick. Almost like stoned but not really, maybe light bright stone feeling, i am not sure how to describe it. i took a red iam completely chilled away. Even decided to post review for it, thats how good it is. unless i just hit on a perfect phenotype? i dont know, i ll test other once at higher dose as well and get back when rotation comes. All of his high class, instead of 10-13 grams of his regular kratom, i had good experience with 6-8 grams as well. I mean if you take 10 grams of high class, might be a little over kill or maybe to relaxed? you dont want to take it too too much where you feel like you want to take an awesome nap and nothing will stop it. One thing he got right, his kratom is sure different in effect wise. Only thing he needs to do is maybe post on site somewhere that people need to double their regular dose. And let them know its not that its weak, i think its how the micro/nano kratom gets absorbed in your body differently? i am not scientist but what if its true? So his normal recommendations intake should 6 grams and over, 6+ if high class and 10+ grams if regular phenotype s. I do enjoy how easy it is to swallow it, its like flour. If i do find a good phenotype that i love a lot, i will sure put an order for it. I know joe is miss understood and his pride for his product but no make mistake, its like comparing a rocket and a fast car. as in a rocket does good hits with extra's peaking out that people dont like and a car that is steady and smooth with no extra's just good feel.

I have to admit thought iam not sure how it works on pain wise. But if something you can also use his leaf as icing on top, just to spice all your doses since it very weak, so adding 3 grams to each of your fire can be an interesting cherry on top feel.