War between Israel and Hamas

[IndelibleDotInk]

thoughts? i'll post mine after learning more about this situation.

What I know so far...

over a thousand people dead in fighting after a surprise attack by Hamas.

Hamas fired btwn 2500 and 5000 rockets to take the offensive on a Jewish holiday.

Israel declares a full war on Hamas.

CIA, Mossad were either caught by surprise or appeared to be.

There are obviously skewered facts from all the media outlets around the world, but oddly not from who you might think. Just a few I looked at: CNN, FoxNews, Al Jazeera, PBS.

[iamlurkerpro]

Israel is not my favorite,but they live surrounded by people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth,I'd probably be a dick too. I really believe that the Gov knew the attack was coming and ignored it and let it happen,the gov was far from united before it and severe protests about power being stripped from Israel supreme court was extremely unliked and divisive,and war unites like few other things. Either way the attack on Israel was disgusting in the things that hamas did and Israel should go all out to dismantle every inch or person from hamas. Hamas are cowards and hide behind women and children,so horrible things that war brings are bound to happen but should not deter Israel from going scorched earth to defeat hamas.Talking about gaza and people being stuck there for 70 years is stupid argument imo and heres why, there have been a back and forth of rulers in that region since before king david in like 1000BC. Israel has tried a two state solution for decades and it was the muslim nations that surround it(gaza included) that always said No,not maybe,not what if,just a flat no ,Israel must die and be wiped off earth. So things arent good for gaza,but they own the largest reasons it is not good for them,not Israel. Israel is stuck in situation that not many can understand or accept,but they do 100% have a right to do whatever is needed to keep their people free and on their homeland.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I think there is an insane amount of correlation between what is happening now all over the world and prophesy, mainly Biblical but other historical proclamations and guesses.

I am feeling the need to get less cynical and more spiritual, being herded toward Jesus and hoping he'll validate me mentally and emotionally and I can develop a relationship with Him, something to fill the hole in my dried up spirit.

[herbalhippie]

Evangelical christians supposedly want this war because to them it's supposed to herald the return of Jesus Christ and the rapture.

I'll keep my opinion to myself.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Man, the Bible says countries are gonna go to war with each other then combine to blast Jesus. Why the heck does he have such a bad rap? I know his followers can get up there and cause a lot of trouble, but sheesh. I've given it some thought, and I get that it must be annoying when you have someone who is always right, but he doesn't seem like the type to just rub it in your face.... he was crucified for no good reason. (Except human salvation, if you believe.)

[iamlurkerpro]

If there is one thing you can have prophecies about humans,it is war. There has always been,and most likely,always will be war between humans. I think war is humans only real population control. I support anyone who wants to become religious or follow one,but the bible has vast generalizations about humans that people seem to believe foretell the future,when its just common sense about humanity as a whole.

[IndelibleDotInk]

sickness, famine, and disease.

We cavemen like throwing rocks at each other when not hunting or trying to grow things, I guess.

[Nelson Baboon]

Jewish here. There is no contradiction between condemning the Hamas attack, but also condemning Israel for war crimes. The notion that the Hamas attack was "unprovoked" is incredibly ignorant. The only hope for peace is world pressure on Israel to end the apartheid rule. this of course includes the United States, whose support of war crimes has been consistent, going back to the genocide of native americans. This is a horrible situation, and it will get worse unless the world does something. If the world does nothing, Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. The notion that men, women, children are "human animals" is beyond abhorrent, and is similar to the language that the Nazis used.

[CatfatherB]

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[Joshgreenhorn]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR7CUWC3/

What a classic!! That took me back cat!

[iamlurkerpro]

Jewish here. There is no contradiction between condemning the Hamas attack, but also condemning Israel for war crimes. The notion that the Hamas attack was "unprovoked" is incredibly ignorant. The only hope for peace is world pressure on Israel to end the apartheid rule. this of course includes the United States, whose support of war crimes has been consistent, going back to the genocide of native americans. This is a horrible situation, and it will get worse unless the world does something. If the world does nothing, Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. The notion that men, women, children are "human animals" is beyond abhorrent, and is similar to the language that the Nazis used.

This could not be more wrong. I call this social media life,where only info you have gotten is from posts that get upvotes. First war crimes are horrible but if the terrorists use "innocent" people as shields it changes things dramatically. Hamas with no warning going into a concert,daycares,schools and murdering every child they could is a war crime. Israel had control of gaza and withdrew in like 1967 or 1947-ish I forget which one, there was a plan to create 2 states,which the arabs said no and started terrorist attacks against the jews. That area has changed hands for over 4 thousand years,King David of the jews had the land in 1000 or 1100BC(for example),so to say one palestine people were always just one people and Israel just came in and kicked them out in 1947 is a flat out lie and 100% wrong. Israel has tried for decades to try to settle peacefully and 100% of the time the arabs stopped it with violence against the jews. Social media posts can sway your view dramatically one way or the other,but in no way form a complete factual event. There is no great answer to the problem,but Hamas killed women and children of Israel so that is what started the war. Unlike in social media where you can downvote someone and feel good like you did something(which you have not) war is different,you have to actually do something. War by itself is the worst humans can do so horrible,terrible,disgusting things will happen,that is war(Again which Hamas started). Trying to make it so "innocent" people are not targeted to your best ability is all you can do and Israel is trying,giving warnings,dropping leaflets,firing warning shots etc,and not just surprising them by murdering children like hamas did.

Bill Maher said it best last night- If Hamas put down their weapons and gave up there would be peace, if the jews put down their weapons and gave up they would be killed and that is the difference.

[Nelson Baboon]

Jewish here. There is no contradiction between condemning the Hamas attack, but also condemning Israel for war crimes. The notion that the Hamas attack was "unprovoked" is incredibly ignorant. The only hope for peace is world pressure on Israel to end the apartheid rule. this of course includes the United States, whose support of war crimes has been consistent, going back to the genocide of native americans. This is a horrible situation, and it will get worse unless the world does something. If the world does nothing, Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. The notion that men, women, children are "human animals" is beyond abhorrent, and is similar to the language that the Nazis used.

This could not be more wrong. I call this social media life,where only info you have gotten is from posts that get upvotes. First war crimes are horrible but if the terrorists use "innocent" people as shields it changes things dramatically. Hamas with no warning going into a concert,daycares,schools and murdering every child they could is a war crime. Israel had control of gaza and withdrew in like 1967 or 1947-ish I forget which one, there was a plan to create 2 states,which the arabs said no and started terrorist attacks against the jews. That area has changed hands for over 4 thousand years,King David of the jews had the land in 1000 or 1100BC(for example),so to say one palestine people were always just one people and Israel just came in and kicked them out in 1947 is a flat out lie and 100% wrong. Israel has tried for decades to try to settle peacefully and 100% of the time the arabs stopped it with violence against the jews. Social media posts can sway your view dramatically one way or the other,but in no way form a complete factual event. There is no great answer to the problem,but Hamas killed women and children of Israel so that is what started the war. Unlike in social media where you can downvote someone and feel good like you did something(which you have not) war is different,you have to actually do something. War by itself is the worst humans can do so horrible,terrible,disgusting things will happen,that is war(Again which Hamas started). Trying to make it so "innocent" people are not targeted to your best ability is all you can do and Israel is trying,giving warnings,dropping leaflets,firing warning shots etc,and not just surprising them by murdering children like hamas did.

Bill Maher said it best last night- If Hamas put down their weapons and gave up there would be peace, if the jews put down their weapons and gave up they would be killed and that is the difference.

i'm not going to engage in this. Bill Maher is an idiot. I do not get my news from social media. Israel is not interested in peace, except of course on their terms. But you know, you can't argue with people who get all of their news from propaganda and have no compassion for innocent people.

[iamlurkerpro]

Jewish here. There is no contradiction between condemning the Hamas attack, but also condemning Israel for war crimes. The notion that the Hamas attack was "unprovoked" is incredibly ignorant. The only hope for peace is world pressure on Israel to end the apartheid rule. this of course includes the United States, whose support of war crimes has been consistent, going back to the genocide of native americans. This is a horrible situation, and it will get worse unless the world does something. If the world does nothing, Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. The notion that men, women, children are "human animals" is beyond abhorrent, and is similar to the language that the Nazis used.

This could not be more wrong. I call this social media life,where only info you have gotten is from posts that get upvotes. First war crimes are horrible but if the terrorists use "innocent" people as shields it changes things dramatically. Hamas with no warning going into a concert,daycares,schools and murdering every child they could is a war crime. Israel had control of gaza and withdrew in like 1967 or 1947-ish I forget which one, there was a plan to create 2 states,which the arabs said no and started terrorist attacks against the jews. That area has changed hands for over 4 thousand years,King David of the jews had the land in 1000 or 1100BC(for example),so to say one palestine people were always just one people and Israel just came in and kicked them out in 1947 is a flat out lie and 100% wrong. Israel has tried for decades to try to settle peacefully and 100% of the time the arabs stopped it with violence against the jews. Social media posts can sway your view dramatically one way or the other,but in no way form a complete factual event. There is no great answer to the problem,but Hamas killed women and children of Israel so that is what started the war. Unlike in social media where you can downvote someone and feel good like you did something(which you have not) war is different,you have to actually do something. War by itself is the worst humans can do so horrible,terrible,disgusting things will happen,that is war(Again which Hamas started). Trying to make it so "innocent" people are not targeted to your best ability is all you can do and Israel is trying,giving warnings,dropping leaflets,firing warning shots etc,and not just surprising them by murdering children like hamas did.

Bill Maher said it best last night- If Hamas put down their weapons and gave up there would be peace, if the jews put down their weapons and gave up they would be killed and that is the difference.

i'm not going to engage in this. Bill Maher is an idiot. I do not get my news from social media. Israel is not interested in peace, except of course on their terms. But you know, you can't argue with people who get all of their news from propaganda and have no compassion for innocent people.

I understand being 100% wrong is hard to face. I just used one thing Maher said,which is true. Israel has tried for decades to get peace and 100% of the time the arabs said no, not maybe,not well if but No. Propaganda is exactly what your whole argument is based on. Thing is you can actually look up what I said and find these things called facts,which s hard when you base all your knowledge on social media post's.

[Nelson Baboon]

This could not be more wrong. I call this social media life,where only info you have gotten is from posts that get upvotes. First war crimes are horrible but if the terrorists use "innocent" people as shields it changes things dramatically. Hamas with no warning going into a concert,daycares,schools and murdering every child they could is a war crime. Israel had control of gaza and withdrew in like 1967 or 1947-ish I forget which one, there was a plan to create 2 states,which the arabs said no and started terrorist attacks against the jews. That area has changed hands for over 4 thousand years,King David of the jews had the land in 1000 or 1100BC(for example),so to say one palestine people were always just one people and Israel just came in and kicked them out in 1947 is a flat out lie and 100% wrong. Israel has tried for decades to try to settle peacefully and 100% of the time the arabs stopped it with violence against the jews. Social media posts can sway your view dramatically one way or the other,but in no way form a complete factual event. There is no great answer to the problem,but Hamas killed women and children of Israel so that is what started the war. Unlike in social media where you can downvote someone and feel good like you did something(which you have not) war is different,you have to actually do something. War by itself is the worst humans can do so horrible,terrible,disgusting things will happen,that is war(Again which Hamas started). Trying to make it so "innocent" people are not targeted to your best ability is all you can do and Israel is trying,giving warnings,dropping leaflets,firing warning shots etc,and not just surprising them by murdering children like hamas did.

Bill Maher said it best last night- If Hamas put down their weapons and gave up there would be peace, if the jews put down their weapons and gave up they would be killed and that is the difference.

i'm not going to engage in this. Bill Maher is an idiot. I do not get my news from social media. Israel is not interested in peace, except of course on their terms. But you know, you can't argue with people who get all of their news from propaganda and have no compassion for innocent people.

I understand being 100% wrong is hard to face. I just used one thing Maher said,which is true. Israel has tried for decades to get peace and 100% of the time the arabs said no, not maybe,not well if but No. Propaganda is exactly what your whole argument is based on. Thing is you can actually look up what I said and find these things called facts,which s hard when you base all your knowledge on social media post's.

i understand how difficult it is to address issues without name calling. I'm going to bow out. You win. and yeah - i think i know a bit about the facts, lol.

[iamlurkerpro]

i'm not going to engage in this. Bill Maher is an idiot. I do not get my news from social media. Israel is not interested in peace, except of course on their terms. But you know, you can't argue with people who get all of their news from propaganda and have no compassion for innocent people.

I understand being 100% wrong is hard to face. I just used one thing Maher said,which is true. Israel has tried for decades to get peace and 100% of the time the arabs said no, not maybe,not well if but No. Propaganda is exactly what your whole argument is based on. Thing is you can actually look up what I said and find these things called facts,which s hard when you base all your knowledge on social media post's.

i understand how difficult it is to address issues without name calling. I'm going to bow out. You win. and yeah - i think i know a bit about the facts, lol.

I did not call you a bad names, I said you were 100% wrong and provided facts to back up my statement. If that hurts your feelings I'm sorry that is not my intention,but I cant let ignorant lies spew in the open without correcting them.

[Nelson Baboon]

I understand being 100% wrong is hard to face. I just used one thing Maher said,which is true. Israel has tried for decades to get peace and 100% of the time the arabs said no, not maybe,not well if but No. Propaganda is exactly what your whole argument is based on. Thing is you can actually look up what I said and find these things called facts,which s hard when you base all your knowledge on social media post's.

i understand how difficult it is to address issues without name calling. I'm going to bow out. You win. and yeah - i think i know a bit about the facts, lol.

I did not call you a bad names, I said you were 100% wrong and provided facts to back up my statement. If that hurts your feelings I'm sorry that is not my intention,but I cant let ignorant lies spew in the open without correcting them.

Can you respect my desire not to engage in this? these aren't "ignorant lies" and i respectfully ask you not to engage in name calling. Thank you.

[iamlurkerpro]

i understand how difficult it is to address issues without name calling. I'm going to bow out. You win. and yeah - i think i know a bit about the facts, lol.

I did not call you a bad names, I said you were 100% wrong and provided facts to back up my statement. If that hurts your feelings I'm sorry that is not my intention,but I cant let ignorant lies spew in the open without correcting them.

Can you respect my desire not to engage in this? these aren't "ignorant lies" and i respectfully ask you not to engage in name calling. Thank you.

I respect your desire to not engage if you dont want to,sure,but I will not let ignorant lies go without chiming in. Im all for factual information. I believe the post you originally post falls into that the first category. I really think everyone should speak up when lies are spread,like covid bs that went around. Remember social media is made to keep your attention and scrolling,so it will show you only things that you like because if you do not like you do not want to "engage",and that is where the real problem lies. I hope that if lies are spewed you would do actual research away from any/all social media and try to use a scientific type method to back up what you think the answer is.

[Nelson Baboon]

I did not call you a bad names, I said you were 100% wrong and provided facts to back up my statement. If that hurts your feelings I'm sorry that is not my intention,but I cant let ignorant lies spew in the open without correcting them.

Can you respect my desire not to engage in this? these aren't "ignorant lies" and i respectfully ask you not to engage in name calling. Thank you.

I respect your desire to not engage if you dont want to,sure,but I will not let ignorant lies go without chiming in. Im all for factual information. I believe the post you originally post falls into that the first category. I really think everyone should speak up when lies are spread,like covid bs that went around. Remember social media is made to keep your attention and scrolling,so it will show you only things that you like because if you do not like you do not want to "engage",and that is where the real problem lies. I hope that if lies are spewed you would do actual research away from any/all social media and try to use a scientific type method to back up what you think the answer is.

i respect your right to disagree. there are many scholars who agree with me. For instance, you may disagree with him strongly, but Noam Chomsky isn't ignorant. Now, please. this is extremely unpleasant.

[iamlurkerpro]

Can you respect my desire not to engage in this? these aren't "ignorant lies" and i respectfully ask you not to engage in name calling. Thank you.

I respect your desire to not engage if you dont want to,sure,but I will not let ignorant lies go without chiming in. Im all for factual information. I believe the post you originally post falls into that the first category. I really think everyone should speak up when lies are spread,like covid bs that went around. Remember social media is made to keep your attention and scrolling,so it will show you only things that you like because if you do not like you do not want to "engage",and that is where the real problem lies. I hope that if lies are spewed you would do actual research away from any/all social media and try to use a scientific type method to back up what you think the answer is.

i respect your right to disagree. there are many scholars who agree with me. For instance, you may disagree with him strongly, but Noam Chomsky isn't ignorant. Now, please. this is extremely unpleasant.

I cant because you keep posting. It doesnt matter is someone "agrees" with you if the thought is based on lies or false information,this is my point. I think thats where youre not understanding. Look up what I said and the dates might not be exact to the hour,but it is all true. Big bird could agree with you and it would not matter,facts prove what I said,and that is the point.

[herbalhippie]

I'm going to lock this for a couple hours since both of you keep asking the other to stop and no one is stopping. Let's have a couple hours cool-down time.


Unlocked. Ok, this is a fraught situation and people are going to have differing viewpoints but let's still try to respect one another and play nice.

[Billiegoat]

Jewish here. There is no contradiction between condemning the Hamas attack, but also condemning Israel for war crimes. The notion that the Hamas attack was "unprovoked" is incredibly ignorant. The only hope for peace is world pressure on Israel to end the apartheid rule. this of course includes the United States, whose support of war crimes has been consistent, going back to the genocide of native americans. This is a horrible situation, and it will get worse unless the world does something. If the world does nothing, Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. The notion that men, women, children are "human animals" is beyond abhorrent, and is similar to the language that the Nazis used.

This could not be more wrong. I call this social media life,where only info you have gotten is from posts that get upvotes. First war crimes are horrible but if the terrorists use "innocent" people as shields it changes things dramatically. Hamas with no warning going into a concert,daycares,schools and murdering every child they could is a war crime. Israel had control of gaza and withdrew in like 1967 or 1947-ish I forget which one, there was a plan to create 2 states,which the arabs said no and started terrorist attacks against the jews. That area has changed hands for over 4 thousand years,King David of the jews had the land in 1000 or 1100BC(for example),so to say one palestine people were always just one people and Israel just came in and kicked them out in 1947 is a flat out lie and 100% wrong. Israel has tried for decades to try to settle peacefully and 100% of the time the arabs stopped it with violence against the jews. Social media posts can sway your view dramatically one way or the other,but in no way form a complete factual event. There is no great answer to the problem,but Hamas killed women and children of Israel so that is what started the war. Unlike in social media where you can downvote someone and feel good like you did something(which you have not) war is different,you have to actually do something. War by itself is the worst humans can do so horrible,terrible,disgusting things will happen,that is war(Again which Hamas started). Trying to make it so "innocent" people are not targeted to your best ability is all you can do and Israel is trying,giving warnings,dropping leaflets,firing warning shots etc,and not just surprising them by murdering children like hamas did.

Bill Maher said it best last night- If Hamas put down their weapons and gave up there would be peace, if the jews put down their weapons and gave up they would be killed and that is the difference.

Bill Maher is a company man.

Every taking point you bring up is propaganda.

“In war the first casualty is the truth”