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You all have herd about my situation with kratom and my tolerance to mitragynine. This has encouraged me to add a little to "MM" collection, since it is a new and upcoming subreddit that is gaining popularity within the kratom community. Trying to do my part for double m fam. As always if you have evidence to add or any substance I missed don't hesitate to comment below. Helpful critism is always welcome with me especially if it helps this guide become more comprehensive.

After researching for a many months I have found the following to effectively boost kratom allowing the kratom user to lower dosage and even take less with greater effects. Some even level out the effects from certain strains. Most of the info in this guide will be copied info and collaboration if testimonial data from the web, studies and social media.

The safest natural potententiators(boosters) of kratom according to Kratomites across forums and social media are:

Grapefruit juice: also works on metabolism and boosts opioids allowing the user to take less. More than 16oz is required for desired effects. About two cups. Pulp organic works better than from concentrate.

Black Pepper: believe it or not pepper effects metabolism and boost effects of many opiates and opioids including opioid like substances like kratom and akuamma seeds. a spoon full of Pepper is recommended to be toss and washed before the kratom.

Blue Lotus: it can boost the euphoric feeling of many substances and some users feel mdma like effects when mixed with kratom. 50x extract of Blue lotus flower. You will need around 5-15g depending on the person. Start at 3g and work your way up from there.

Natural and botanical potententiators of kratom a further explanation:

White Grapefruit Juice:
contains three ingredients that clog the CYP450 set. However, it doesn't clog CYP2D6 too well, which is the main one for most opiates/opiods. It does strongly 'clog' CYP3A4 though and although that's almost an 'auxillary' enzyme for alot of opiates, it definitely helps out. Any grocery store and you should be able to get a nice big bottle of 100% white grapefruit juice from concentrate. If organic is possible get that since I find pulp 100% is also great for this.

An important thing to note for the grapefruit juice is the percentage of juice. A lot of companies make "White Grapefruit Juice" that is basically water, corn syrup, and like 10% juice, you don't want that at all. Look in the ingredients list, and make sure the only juice in there is white grapefruit, preferably from concentrate. Nutritionally, juices from concentrate are usually not as good. However, for one reason or another, grapefruit juice from concentrate can contain 25%-40% MORE naringin, bergamottin and dihydroxybergamottin; the three enzyme inhibitors present in white grapefruit.

Grapefruit Juice: Ruby Red GFJ

It is an optimal potentiator and is used commonly in routine life by the kratom users. The users recommend the combination of kratom with grapefruit juice so that it can be easily swallowed and the bitter taste is alleviated.

The users use this method for prolonged motivation to use kratom and get help in reducing the bitterness, but the actual benefit with its combination is that the benefits endured longer with this consumption method. Grapefruit peels also contribute to accomplishing the same results.

The grapefruit juice enhances the kratom effects, but the chemical of grapefruit juice influences the digestive enzymes linking with the metabolism of kratom alkaloids, doubling the strength for the treatment of pain or anxiety.

Turmeric:

turmeric is a type of ordinary spice grown in India. It is the perfect spice which surpasses the other foods which help in intensifying the kratom potency. The turmeric produces an encompassing intensification of various physical effects produced by kratom along with the extension of results.

The users claim turmeric as an active boost for kratom effects.

Cayenne Pepper:

it is an especial hot pepper which helps in detoxing and cleansing the body. It aids in increasing the kratom’s potency and effects. Users prefer mixing the cayenne pepper with dry kratom powder. The pepper has an intense spiciness so use it in meager amounts.

The cayenne pepper is a powerful compound which helps in producing saliva for digestion, aids in weight loss and helps in relieving the joint pain with the use of kratom.

The combination of black pepper with the kratom helps in increasing the kratom’s potency along with it lowers the tolerance level.

Watercress:

it is an ultra-hydrating lettuce which significantly potentiates the kratom effects. It is an effective natural food with a powerful mineral that potentiates the effects of kratom.

Supplements that help in potentiating the Kratom effects
These supplements include:


Agmatine:supplement

it is also termed as Guanidine, which aids in improving the ability of kratom to treat the opiate addiction. Use moderation! Can increase tolerance over time.

Agmatine is also natural, it's not a drug, it's the natural breakdown product of Arginine, an amino acid. Agmatine is found naturally in the human body as well.

Agmatine works by acting on nitiric oxide synthase to modulate excess nitric oxide signalling. This is the mechanism most likely resulting in Agmatine's potentiation and tolerance reduction of opioids.

Agmatine also acts as a mild NMDAr antagonist, a very strong Imidazoline agonist, also modulates the serotonin, cholinergic, and adrenergic systems. Nicknamed "Clonidine Displacing Substance" for a reason. It binds so strongly to Imidazoline and Adrenergic receptors is will nock Clonidine off the receptor.

Examine has a really nice overview of Agmatine:

https://examine.com/supplements/agmatine/

Valerian root: the root helps in a peaceful sleep and enhances the relaxing effects of various kratom strains.

Caffeine: the coffee has an enough amount of caffeine which helps in reducing the lethargy effects, that is a mild side effect of different kratom strains. The combination of caffeine with kratom increases the alertness, energy, and focus.

Cat’s claw: this herb has alkaloids which are like kratom. If you take cat’s claw along with kratom, it will intensify the effects and potency of any kratom strain. This woody vine is found in Central and South America. It is scientifically referred to as “Uncaria Tomentosa,” contains the alkaloids which synergize the kratom alkaloids for increasing the duration of kratom’s effects.

Cats's claw description: isn't an opioid antagonist like some think. It is an NMDA antagonist (among having other properties).

NMDA antagonists have been shown to decrease the addictiveness of many addictive drugs such as opiates and amphetamines. There is also evidence that they can prevent the build up of tolerances and even reduce tolerance. And some people claim that they potentiate opiates and opioids.

But cat's claw is also a mild MAO-B inhibitor. There seems to be mixed results about combining kratom and MAO-A inhibitors (like Syrian Rue), but I have never read any negative reports aboutcombining kratom and MAO-B inhibitors.

The worries about kratom and MAO-A inhibitors stems from the serotonergic actions of kratom. Kratom possibly raises levels of serotonin, which is metabolized by MAO-A. Inhibiting this enzyme can therefore lead to uncomfortably high levels of serotonin and possibly serotonin toxicity.

MAO-B does not affect serotonin, so serotonin is unlikely to be a problem. And MAO-B inhibitors tend to be safer than MAO-A inhibitors as far as I can tell. But it is possible that an MAO-B inhibitor could interact with some of the various compounds in kratom. There are many unstudied compounds in kratom, and many of the compounds in kratom are monoamines or could otherwise be potentiated by an MAOI.

This means that cat's claw could possibly cause a negative reaction if combined with kratom. Or it may increase its potency. Either way, be careful and start with lower doses of both if you decide to give it a try.

Use moderation and caution with cats claw
"The below quote on black pepper is from: u/herbalhippie* Thank you.

Black Pepper:
The active ingredient in pepper that potentiates many things is bioperine. It's a CYP3A4 inhibitor, it inhibits metabolism of opiates/opioids and many other medications. Black pepper contains roughly 5-9% bioperine. You can buy bioperine as a supplement, I have a bottle but I've never tried it.

I took omeprazole for a couple years every day, that seems to potentiate kratom as well.
How do the potentiators work?

According to the science, how do the common foods, herbs and botanical supplements potentiate kratom? The foods which have the potentiating component works by regulating the metabolism, mainly focusing on the cytochrome P-450 enzyme. The alkaloids in kratom undergo breakdown along with the removal process due to the help of cytochrome P-450 enzyme within the system. Foods which result in reducing the enzyme function helps in extending the kratom effects.

There are different OTC drugs and other assortment of things that inhibit your enzymes. Which essentially means they clogs the enzymes that metabolize opiates\opioids and clear them out of the body, which results them staying in your body way, way, way longer, and a way more happy kratomite. Also, blood plasma levels of opiates have been shown to vastly higher when the CYP450 set is strongly inhibited; meaning their is a higher peak, and it lasts longer. This of course applies to mitragynine, 7-hydroxymitragynine and 9-hydroxycorynantheidine as well since they are kratoms mu agonists which bind almost the same way as opioids to the same receptors. What the clinging of enzymes dies is allow the mitragynine and indoles/oxindoles of mitragynine to attach to the opioid receptor sites within the GI tract, CNS and neuron wall more abundantly than if those enzymes killed most of the kratom.

Drugs which potentiate the effects of Kratom

The drugs which potentiate the effects of kratom leads to the inhibition of kratom’s metabolism in the digestive system, especially in the liver. However, these drugs result in dangerous interaction with liver’s microsomal enzyme system specifically CYP3A4 and CYP2D6.

These drugs lead to tolerance and adverse effects with a high dosage of kratom or more than the recommended amount. These drugs include:

Tianeptine:

it enhances the euphoric consequences by the consumption of kratom.

Diphenhydramine:

it enhances the sedative effects of kratom.

Acetaminophen:

it increases the pain-relieving and analgesic effects of kratom. Use caution it is very toxic at high doses.

Magnesium:

Magnesium is a popular supplement with potentiating effects. It serves in reducing the tolerance if used for long-term, allowing you to use less amount of kratom with time.

Magnesium helps in relieving constipation but will worsen diarrhea. This drug results in adverse effects on patients who are in self-weaning process with the use of opiates.

Phenibut:

It is a substance which is available as a supplement and a prescription drug. It helps in treating multiple ailments example, anxiety, PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder), and insomnia. It helps in potentiating the effects of kratom for relaxation. Note: it us very addicting, use with moderation and care. Do your research before using this.

Cimetidine or Tagamet:

It amplifies the kratom effects. It is an over-the-counter drug which helps in treating the gastric ailments along with the heartburn. The recommended dosage of this medication is effective to potentiate the kratom effects.

Note: Do not take more than one herb or supplement with your kratom experience. Users claim that one additive is more than enough for achieving the maximum results with kratom, it is not necessary to add more than one additive as it will not potentiate the benefits. Do your own research on drugs that are listed, they can have dangerous effects and require care when using this.

Benadryl (diphenhydramine HCl) and CPM (chlorpheniramine maleate) are both over-the-counter anti-histamines that increase the analgesic and euphoric properties of opiates to some extent. They also help cut down on the ope-itch. In addition, these they also slightly inhibit subset CYP2D6.

DXM (Dextromethorphan HBr, Robitussin, Zicam, etc.) Although it doesn't inhibit the CYP450 set to any appreciable extent, it does contribute to analgesia and euphoria for all major opiates. Also, it has been shown to prevent the build up of tolerance! 30mg of DXM a good half hour or so before dosing will definitely slow any tolerance build up if you use this method every time. And with opiates, that's a very big deal as many of you may know.

Please do your own research on each of these drugs before using it combining them. DXM can be very dangerous and us worth mentioning that it is a controlled substance. It may be used as an OTC but that doesn't mean taking large amounts and combining with kratom or opioids is safe, last thing we want is to give the FDA more deaths to boast around.

Verdict
The combination of potentiators with kratom strain results in a long duration of effects. It allows the user to get through with adequate doses feeling more stimulated, relaxed and peaceful. With potentiators, the effects of kratom are more powerful and heightened.

If I made any mistakes please let me know, also if I missed anything that could be considered a good potententiator for kratom let me know so I can add to the list helping to make it a more comprehensive list of potententiators for kratom.

Use moderation, be safe and as always test before you ingest just like i always say about research chemicals or any substance. Most of all have fun and enjoy the many benefits kratom has to offer.

Sincerely, PsilocybeFanaticis.
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Thanks so much for taking the time to make this great list! one suggestion if i may: maybe add something like: "as with any substance you are introducing into your body, please research whether or not it will interact with other medications you may be on.' For instance i cannot have any grapefruit juice because of the particular psych meds i take.... again, thanks for compiling all this info!!!!


edit: i just noticed you wrote
Do your own research on drugs that are listed, they can have dangerous effects and require care when using this.
. which sort of covers my suggestion. maybe if you put it at the top so it was more apparent to folks?
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Thanks for doing this. A lot of great info here.
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Very informative! I may have to try some more of these listed.

I currently take turmeric with black pepper fruit extract which is supposed to greatly increase the bioavailability of the curcumins in turmeric by blocking the liver enzyme that breaks the curcumins down, and also take a magnesium supplement @250mg a day. Both of which I was taking before starting kratom, and they make my K seem better when I take these supplements 30 minutes before my dose. I think it is keeping my kratom tolerance in check (I hope), but without a way to compare it's hard to say.

The main point I guess is that if you supplement with turmeric, don't forget to take black pepper because it's much more effective that way.
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This is a very helpful post!

I haven't tried most of these, but I find Magnesium to be extremely beneficial. Both as a potentiator and for constipation.
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I am a black pepper fiend most of the time, and when I saw it potentiates I really ground up a bunch into my stir fry. It def works for me, I was floating, lol. I also take mag, I think this helps to but I can't tell as much. Thanks for the list!
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Great info, and very thorough. I was just reading about various potentiators and popped in here to search on the subject.
And here it is. 8-)
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100mg vistaril everytime
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beathappening wrote:100mg vistaril everytime
Holy crap! I don't doubt you -- but between the drying nature of kratom PLUS the drying nature of Vistaril (an antihistamine), good lord. My colon would probably stop functioning altogether. How do you counteract that, if I may ask, or is it just not a problem for you...?
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whiffypants wrote:
beathappening wrote:100mg vistaril everytime
Holy crap! I don't doubt you -- but between the drying nature of kratom PLUS the drying nature of Vistaril (an antihistamine), good lord. My colon would probably stop functioning altogether. How do you counteract that, if I may ask, or is it just not a problem for you...?
That’s hilarious! :lol:

I’ve heard of Kratom’s potential to clog the plumbing, but it’s never been a serious problem for me with kratom or opiates. I try to drink lots of fluids and eat lots of whole grains.
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Just re-stocked on my Vitamin C Complex powder, the NOW brand has all the flavanoids and rose hips, acerola, etc not just Ascorbic Acid C This is a brownish powder and must be stirred in to mix with OJ and kratom. Here's a large IMAGE Supplement Facts.

I'm trying out the Alive! Brand liquid vitamin however will probably go back to Tropical Oasis. Alive is dark green liquid it appears oxidized ? (UPDATE: I checked w/ Amazon and its OK. ) Hmmm the Tropical stuff almost tastes OK :lol: Organic Life (below) is quality but the taste is raspberry .. pretty sure ALL this stuff is synergistic with kratom and gives my smoothie a little "boost" :P

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g-otis wrote:That’s hilarious! :lol:
Does the word "sequoia" mean anything to you? :lol:
g-otis wrote:I’ve heard of Kratom’s potential to clog the plumbing, but it’s never been a serious problem for me with kratom or opiates. I try to drink lots of fluids and eat lots of whole grains.
That's good advice all around, but I have digestive problems anyway and for me that only goes so far. Unfortunately. I've had to double my magnesium intake on kratom, which is not a big deal in and of itself, but there are other health issues involved so for me personally the drying thing presents a risk. That, and waking up in the middle of the night with my eyelids glued to my eyeballs until I slug back a few gulps of water and wait for it to work is not a fun thing, even if that's the worst that happens. :shock:
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whiffypants wrote:
beathappening wrote:100mg vistaril everytime
Holy crap! I don't doubt you -- but between the drying nature of kratom PLUS the drying nature of Vistaril (an antihistamine), good lord. My colon would probably stop functioning altogether. How do you counteract that, if I may ask, or is it just not a problem for you...?
Idk, it hasn't really been an issue. My body is way tolerant to kratom and vistaril though (I've been taking vistaril several times daily for years). Also i take magnesium supplements and drink roughly a gallon of water nearly every day.
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That makes sense, and the magnesium and extra water would definitely help. Thanks!
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Personally, i tried almost all of these (minus prescription drugs) and none of it does shit to kratom potency.
Most of these potentiators actually make me feel LESS from my dose.

There may be two reasons why is it this way, IMHO:
1. None of these are nothing more than snake oil and it works on autosuggestion level.
2.Our body chemistry differs to such degree, that what potentiates for you may have dulling effect for me.

Go figure.

As far as tolerance lowering goes, the same applies to me: only thing that works is tolerace break.
YMMV, yada yada.

actually, nice strong coffee potentiates energetic properties sometimes, thats no doubt.
apart from that, a shot of whisky with few puffs of weed can potentiate euphoric properties...
but thats really rather polydrug use and not potentiation...
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Mythra Gina wrote:Personally, i tried almost all of these (minus prescription drugs) and none of it does shit to kratom potency.
Most of these potentiators actually make me feel LESS from my dose.

There may be two reasons why is it this way, IMHO:
1. None of these are nothing more than snake oil and it works on autosuggestion level.
2.Our body chemistry differs to such degree, that what potentiates for you may have dulling effect for me....
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I wonder about some of these. Most don’t seem to have any noticeable effect as a potentiator. At least I’m drinking more grapefruit juice :)

One thing that does work for me is diphenhydramine. I’ve been taking that stuff for years in one form or another, for insomnia. I have a super high tolerance for it, so I’m not sure if the Benadryl is potentiating the kratom or vice versa. Either way, before bed a little bit of both has worked wonders in the sleeplessness department.

But I’m learning that kratom is very fickle...

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Mythra Gina wrote:Personally, i tried almost all of these (minus prescription drugs) and none of it does shit to kratom potency.
Most of these potentiators actually make me feel LESS from my dose.

There may be two reasons why is it this way, IMHO:
1. None of these are nothing more than snake oil and it works on autosuggestion level.
2.Our body chemistry differs to such degree, that what potentiates for you may have dulling effect for me.

Go figure.

As far as tolerance lowering goes, the same applies to me: only thing that works is tolerace break.
YMMV, yada yada.

actually, nice strong coffee potentiates energetic properties sometimes, thats no doubt.
apart from that, a shot of whisky with few puffs of weed can potentiate euphoric properties...
but thats really rather polydrug use and not potentiation...
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I have some things that work I'll list them below without much info because I'm supposed to be mowing the lawn rn but if you want more info on any just specify which and I'll write some stuff up :)



-Personal favorite is BPC-157 because it seems to get rid of my kratom tolerance (esp to the euphoria) faster than I can build it. Takes a few days to start working. I use this 3x daily. And I'm sure most people here are sick of hearing me talk about it :p

Others:

-CBD (takes a few days, get a full spectrum extract)
-Skullcap (I make a tea with a handful of the leaf by boiling in a closed pot with lemon juice for about 10min to hydrolyze the glycosidic bonds to increase the flavonoid concentration)
-Picamilon (works v well)
-Phenibut (be careful--/very/ addictive if you use it more than once or twice a week but does not cause cravings or anything before that at all)
-Chamomile (a fuckton boiled in the same way as skullcap--can be mixed with skullcap for awesome effect. german chamomile should work best but anything is fine)
-PPAP
-Tianeptine (holy SHIT does this amplify euphoria)
-Aniracetam
-RGPU-95
-I would put money on 7,8-DHF doing a lot
-It could just be my imagination but I'm using some growth hormone releasing peptides/hormone and I feel like kratom is working even better than before. But I might just feel a lot better in general idk.


I know I'm missing a lot but this was just off the top of my head so lmk if none of those work
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Just figured out why the growth hormone stuff I'm using all seemed to be potentiating kratom. Ghrelin agonists like GHRP analogues (growth hormone releasing peptide) significantly increase the rate of gastric emptying. I.e. everything in your stomach gets dumped into your intestines, where things like kratom actually get absorbed. I knew there was something there. Look into other things that do this and you may find something.
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It should be mentioned that using cimetidine/tagamet (for longer than several weeks, even at recommended dosages) has the pesky side effect of causing gynaecomastia. a.k.a. bitch tits. It's not a if, it's when. Best to skip this one and use another instead.
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beathappening wrote:It should be mentioned that using cimetidine/tagamet (for longer than several weeks, even at recommended dosages) has the pesky side effect of causing gynaecomastia. a.k.a. bitch tits.



Interesting. What happens if my wife uses it?
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Bumping this great thread.
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So i use red grapefruit juice, 100% juice not from concentrate like Simply grapefruit and it works great. I saw the info about white grapefruit juice, is white better than red?
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I don’t know, I use red as well.. saw someone (probably ballz) say recently that grapefruit juice isn’t actually a potentiator and might even be an inhibitor. Maybe it was in my acid reflux thread? Can’t remember. Been taking magnesium. I found this thread looking for info on constipation because my friend tried kratom and said she likes pooping too much to keep taking it. So I wanted to find something to help with that.
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trigger wrote:... say recently that grapefruit juice isn’t actually a potentiator and might even be an inhibitor..
some of the latest research would suggest that opioid effects are produced in the body from a conversion Mitragynine to 7-Ohm, since kratom powder doesn't have enough 7-Ohm to hardly register, it's now thought that liver enzymes add to this transfer. In that case, GFJ might actually inhibit the process, of course GFJ does suppress the CYP3A4 enzyme which is great for opiates but maybe not for Mitragynine, which works differently. 8-)

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QUOTE - If your plan is to potentiate kratom, recent studies show that the enzyme that grapefruit juice inhibits, CYP3A4, it's the enzyme that is responsible for metabolizing mitragynine into 7-OHM. One study indicated that this process may be responsible for most, if not all, of mitragynine's opioid receptor induced effects.
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Follow Up! For anyone wanting to get into the science .. Here's the most technical discussion I've EVER read on Reddit, regarding potentiation and how the alkaloids Mitra. and 7-OHM are processed in the body for maximum effects. Warning! Deep Dive with several recent scientific research papers cited!! Current discussion over the past month.

M. Speciosa and Enzymes: To Inhibit or Induce?
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