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LINK: Reddit Vendor List: FALL 2021, now on Saidit.net

Greetings! Fall 2021. - Fall is "Peak Season" for Kratom each year following the hot, dry, Indonesia summer. This Vendor List has not changed much since 2020; the core group of proven, quality, online vendors in USA are mostly the same. Buyers are searching for just a few good sources, and consumers want quality over quantity. Therefore we've decided to reduce this List, from a Top-40, down to a "vetted" Top-20.

This vetted Vendor List, will continue to focus on small to medium, online sellers who import direct from Indonesia. . We prefer those who partner with Indo sources, to bring you the highest possible quality kratom. Indo recipes and blends with classic Red, Green and White "strains" products are also preferred. There is a strong "small batch" kratom market in USA! Consumers want all-natural kratom powder, excellent quality, and Wild Harvest leaf ~ Let's support our Indo partners, and make sure they receive fair prices for their best product!

History: The Saidit Vendor List, was known as the "Reddit Vendor List" back in 2017. Then in 2018, Reddit banned sales and transactions on their platform. This former Reddit sub moved here, to Saidit ~ now, nearly five years later, the USA Kratom market is mature. Many vetted vendors, have now been serving USA consumers 5+ years. Kratom is legal under Federal Law in USA, however the FDA has still not approved Kratom as a dietary supplement. Many Asian herbs: Ginseng, Cordyceps, Schisandra, medicinal seaweeds, and others are "Supplements" under the DSHEA Act of 1994.

Although Kratom has been used in Asian countries for 100's of years, it was not covered under DSHEA. So until the FDA gives approval as a Supplement, Kratom cannot be sold legally for any consumption or dietary purpose ~ Please note: All of the vendors on this List sell kratom NFHC - Not For Human Consumption, and you'll find language on each website to that effect. It's up to each vendor whether or not to use a "Supplement Facts" Label, since all 50 USA states have different laws, and the Federal issue with FDA has not been resolved!

Honorable Mention: In addition to the Top-20 Vendors listed above, many others are worthy of recognition ~ There are still over 200 online vendors of kratom, selling to USA markets! Past good vendors who are currently Not Active, Out Of Stock, Over Priced, Retail store, Stale Vendor Syndrome SVS, or just didn't make Top 20: -Benni Botanicals, -Caleb's Concentrates, -Canopy Botanicals, -Carolina Kratom store, -Centennial Harvest, -EE Botanicals, -First Coast Tea, -Galactic Botanicals, -Greg's Botanical store, -Herbaldom, -Inland Botanicals, -Koality Leaf, -Krabot CA, -Kratom-OG, -Legit Kratom, -Legal Herb Shop, -Odus Botanicals, -Sacred Son, -Soultanic Greenery, -Texas Herbs. Many thanks to all!

TO SEE THE LIST ~ Please CLICK THE LINK above!

Sweet! Thanks for your hard work as always!

Great post, Ballz! Good job

Wow!!! I love this reference list! Awesome. I just have one question and maybe I've overlooked the answer somehow. I've read both keys for the letters and I don't see what "R" stands for yet it's listed on at least 2 of the vendors. Am I just overlooking the "R" reference in the key somewhere??? If so I apologize. Otherwise I think it's a great list and gives me so many vendors I'd like to try!!!

Thank you again, BallzDeep9!!!!!

ybanurse247 wrote:Am I just overlooking the "R" reference in the key somewhere ???

R = Retail package products. No probably forgot to Add that to the key down below... good catch. A few of these Online vendors, either sell Retail products, operate a Retail store, or use packaging that could be sold Retail with "Supplement Facts" Label. Thanks for the reminder!

Nice to know someone's using the "Codes"

Thanks for all the hard work you put into this!

Can you please update ours to add the codes O, Z and R? Thank you!

BallzDeep9 wrote:

ybanurse247 wrote:Am I just overlooking the "R" reference in the key somewhere ???

R = Retail package products. No probably forgot to Add that to the key down below... good catch. A few of these Online vendors, either sell Retail products, operate a Retail store, or use packaging that could be sold Retail with "Supplement Facts" Label. Thanks for the reminder!

Nice to know someone's using the "Codes"

Yes, thank you for letting me know what it means!! That vendor list helps me out tremendously and I took it ALL in, codes and all!!

Give it up for OG Ballz!

Do you need to be on a desktop to see the whole chart? Or sign up on saidit? I’m only seeing a couple of columns, it’s mostly cutoff on iPhone.

lisaislosingit wrote: I’m only seeing a couple of columns, it’s mostly cutoff on iPhone.

On your phone, change the orientation from Portrait, to "auto".. Phone should rotate horizontal when you turn it sideways. Do you have it locked in Portrait? My phone is Android but pretty sure it's works the same on Apple?

Hey Ballz, can not thank you enough for all the hard work you put into your vendor lists! I'm really glad to see the new one!

Thanks Ballz I look to this list to keep stocked with the best leaf out there you are so appreciated.

joanna wrote:...

Hi, what does the $ sign mean?
Thanks for the list!

shawdowr wrote:Hi, what does the $ sign mean?

Great question. We used to say "No vendors endorsed or recommended." Here's the Top-40 with an objective Price comparison.

Now, the List still says Caveat Emptor, but we decided to "recommend" a Top Dozen using the $ sign... since Buyers just want 1 or 2 good ones. ALL of those with $ sign were known to be IN stock, with fresh kratom, and current reviews, Ready to Ship!

Hey, I remember seeing this list on Reddit a few years ago. Thanks for making these, here at double M we kind of take vendors/knowing all the vendors for granted, but this list (maybe spring 2017, or whatever one I first saw) blew my mind back when I was starting out.

Hey Ballz!

Thanks so much for the list. Sorry I didn't see it sooner.

Where is a current vendor list?

CHammond78 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:11 am Where is a current vendor list?

I'm sure we'll get a Spring and Summer list soon. They don't change a whole lot. This one is still valid.

Just a heads up All Natural Artisan relocated from Jersey to California

Not sure if it's something on my end, but I just went to check the vendors list today and the links no longer take me to said vendor list, just to some other part of reddit. Did the post get removed?

Sanbutsushin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:22 pm just went to check the Vendors List today and the links no longer take me to said vendor list,

wOw. Thanks for the heads-up. Appears that Saidit.net is "down" and, if you look there on Reddit r/saidit there is a thread "down" discussing what's happened. Maybe another DDOS attack, possibly a lawsuit filed, could be cancel culture, nobody knows for sure. The main guy who runs Saidit.net is MIA

I've been very concerned, over the past year... Obviously SAIDIT.net failed to attract enough Members, as a Reddit "alternative". Bottom Line.

A principle of E-commerce is: People go, where the people are... Been trying for 20 years, to start a Ebay alternative. No dice. Buyers are on Ebay.

It works for me, shows the fall/winter 2020 list. Just in case you hadn't noticed that it's back up/working again.

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:14 pm Just in case you hadn't noticed that it's back up/working again.

Thanks. I saw it was back, too much drama there. Could and probably will go "down" again sooner or later, for 1 or another reason.. seems pretty fragile. SAIDIT is like a hobby project of 1-2 guys and their political leanings... Sad that we can't get more Reddit to migrate over there.

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:22 pm

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:14 pm Just in case you hadn't noticed that it's back up/working again.

Thanks. I saw it was back, too much drama there. Could and probably will go "down" again sooner or later, for 1 or another reason.. seems pretty fragile. SAIDIT is like a hobby project of 1-2 guys and their political leanings... Sad that we can't get more Reddit to migrate over there.

Is there a reason why you cant just post the vendor list here?

https://saidit.net/s/KratomVendors/comm ... nter_2020/

here is the link instead of searching

hey Ballz, the last Indonesian supplier list was for 2019, any plans to update for '20/'21?

CatfatherB wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:33 pm hey Ballz, the last Indonesian supplier list was for 2019, any plans to update for '20/'21?

I remember seeing the indo list a long time ago, but can't remember where to find it. do you have a link?

CatfatherB wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:33 pm hey Ballz, the last Indonesian supplier list was for 2019, any plans to update for '20/'21?

The Indo Supplier List WAS a very time consuming project, and it's gotten really more complex over the last 2 years for a few reasons.

The Indo Shipping Ban in 2019, led to more Air Cargo, which led to Bulk Kratom shipping by sea in Container loads.... has really put a cramp, in some cases blocked, many small suppliers from doing anything... I'm not ready to say "Buy Wholesale" yet - but true Small Batch kratom has become more a crap-shoot because of the trend - I can't honestly recommend any Supplier because of the shipping fiasco... combined with general shady sketchy dealers... along with the whole market being manipulated by AKA Big Kratom companies.

The Indo Supplier List just like the Vendor List - was created for Consumers. . Sadly things have changed for the worse. Basically, any Consumer who wants to import direct, "Your on your own" and Good Luck getting a small postal shipment through. - I don't even see many Indo's on MeWe anymore since MeWe has totally dropped off. Even Facebook has changed. - It seems most Indo's at least in Ponti - are now focused on the Cheap Dirt Bulk stuff, and that's not small batch... just the opposite. Sad!!

Shipments under 300kg has definitely gotten more complex.

UPDATE! 2021 - Fall Top-20 Vendor List has been posted on Saidit.net

Questions about the new LIST ?? Please comment... either HERE or, on Saidit whatever's more convenient lol . Yes, Saidit seems to be hanging on. The Reddit Alternative was attacked by hackers last year, and one of the main Mod's / Owners / Developers, has disappeared like a year ago so the place seems half dead. But everything functions. CLICK on each Vendor name, for the Website!! Among the changes ....

MEWE Vendors. There are still over 200+ vendors WITH websites. Professional vendors. Those who spent real money, to build a website, & setup a E-Commerce platform.. many of those, err most, have had problems with Payments. Anyway - the Vendor List has always been "vendors", not dudes in chat rooms selling leaf. Not that there's anything wrong with that! But - We DID preserve one MEWE vendor, with Link to MeWe dot com. Drum roll please - HeavenLeaf, in our opinion, is now the Premier vendor representing MeWe. Anyone who wants to hang around MeWe chat rooms, can find everything there through HeavenLeaf's group!!

Other top vendors on Mewe, ALSO have a website! In particular, check out Mitra Man's fantastic website and look how he's grown... Rhino Remedies is also, set for a big year following completion of his website. Otherwise - Still over 200 online vendors of kratom, selling to USA markets! Good vendors. Some are currently Not Active, Out Of Stock, Over Priced, Retail store, Stale Vendor Syndrome SVS, or For various reasons.... Just didn't make Top 20: -Benni Botanicals, -Caleb's Concentrates, -Canopy Botanicals, -Carolina Kratom store, -Centennial Harvest, -EE Botanicals, -First Coast Tea, -Galactic Botanicals, -Greg's Botanical store, -Herbaldom, -Inland Botanicals, -Koality Leaf, -Krabot CA, -Kratom-OG, -Legit Kratom, -Legal Herb Shop, -Odus Botanicals, -Sacred Son, -Soultanic Greenery, -Texas Herbs.

Excellent! Thank you for the update, Ballz!

Thanks for these lists, man. I have found all of my quality vendors thanks to these!

you still consider Koality leaf to be in the top 200? they have a MeWe group but it's been inactive for many months now, the owner went MIA

CatfatherB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:51 pm you still consider Koality leaf to be in the top 200?

haha "Top 200", gotcha I think you mean Top 20 ? There are 200 vendors total, that's a minimum.. Koality still has a website, but good example - Many among the other 180, are not current - Not re-stocking - Selling off old stock - Stale Vendor Syndrome. You're right, Koality right now does not deserve "Honorable Mention" even.

For the Top-20 we tried to pick, those who somehow communicate their current status... Batch dates. Restock dates. Email updates? A Blog with current news (Treasure House example!) or Social Media group on Mewe or Facebook. But a website is still important, shows the vendor has invested $ and plans to stick around - Website is under full contol of vendor - Facebook can and does, BAN vendors & groups. MeWe could drop a BAN hammer or change their deal, at any time. Selling stuff over the Internet, E-commerce... means having a website.

NEWS - I'll be posting a Full List of ALL 200 Vendors, . here on Double M... gonna start a new Topic for that.

Thank you so much for including me, Ballz! I'm incredibly honored!!

amagdalene wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:06 am Thank you so much for including me, Ballz! I'm incredibly honored!!

I'm so happy to see you on this list!! Absolutely a personal favorite

Thank you for this amazing service!
There are some that I am so sad they went off the list, especially Koality who had THE BEST Kratom, before they went dark. I also still love Bennis. But I trust your judgement. What a crazy landscape this is.