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I’ve gotten down to 9-10gpd and I take 2g doses and a 3g dose at night. For the past month I have gotten little to no affects from my doses. Why might this be? I’ve been rotating and still that does not work. I am very active and also take vitamins. I don’t know what could be causing my doses to not work anymore. These 2g doses used to work but don’t anymore

Could be a number of reasons? Your not giving us much information to guess why? Anytime you dose multiple times a day, there will be days when kratom does very little for you?

I went through your post history and see that you've had a tolerance for a while with most of your current stash until you got this potent GMD from Lucky.

It sounds like you may have to take a break, or at least drastically cut your dose for a week and try again if a break is out of the question.

Fire strains are all good but even when you find those "gems" if taken everyday become....meh!

CatfatherB wrote:I went through your post history and see that you've had a tolerance for a while with most of your current stash until you got this potent GMD from Lucky.

It sounds like you may have to take a break, or at least drastically cut your dose for a week and try again if a break is out of the question.

Fire strains are all good but even when you find those "gems" if taken everyday become....meh!

But the thing is I’ve been taking kratom for about 2 years straight now. I haven’t had many issues with affects before. If anything, I’ve lowered my dose in those 2 years for the “less-is-more” effect...which worked very well until now. I don’t understand it. Even if it is tolerance..why would I have felt my doses for 2 years straight and even more when I lowered my doses. Now it’s not all of a sudden

I ran into the tolerance wall at just a little over two years of use at only three quarters of a gram per dose. now I'm having to take anywhere from a gram and a quarter of close to a gram and a half and I'm pretty upset about it. I'm not really in a position to be able to take an extended tolerance break either.

DontSlipBananaClip wrote:I’ve gotten down to 9-10gpd and I take 2g doses and a 3g dose at night. For the past month I have gotten little to no affects from my doses.

You're NEVER giving your system a "break" from kratom. 3g doses at night ?? Your body needs to RE-SET every 24 hours back to "normal", otherwise kratom is in your system 24/7 so... Your body has gotten "used to" the effects. You're still getting the effects, but.. you have forgotten what "normal" feels like. There is no longer any difference. Kratom effects are your New Normal!!

Many, ppl have written that it's important to GIVE your body at least 12 hours/ out of every 24. More is better, so I take my last dose around 6:pm and then... Next day I hold off until after breakfast. I'm going 16+ hours allowing my body to RE-SET.

What are you doing in the middle of the night, that you need kratom? Sleeping ?? there are plenty of other sleep aids around.. Note, you didn't say anything about Pain Relief. Those who take kratom MAINLY for pain.. Are in a different place.. They don't feel "effects" as much. But they get pain relief... people take kratom for different reasons.

At this point... Take A Break. Sounds like U need a good 3-day Break with NO kratom, in order to refresh your system

BallzDeep9 wrote:

DontSlipBananaClip wrote:I’ve gotten down to 9-10gpd and I take 2g doses and a 3g dose at night. For the past month I have gotten little to no affects from my doses.

You're NEVER giving your system a "break" from kratom. 3g doses at night ?? Your body needs to RE-SET every 24 hours back to "normal", otherwise kratom is in your system 24/7 so... Your body has gotten "used to" the effects. You're still getting the effects, but.. you have forgotten what "normal" feels like. There is no longer any difference. Kratom effects are your New Normal!!

Many, ppl have written that it's important to GIVE your body at least 12 hours/ out of every 24. More is better, so I take my last dose around 6:pm and then... Next day I hold off until after breakfast. I'm going 16+ hours allowing my body to RE-SET.

What are you doing in the middle of the night, that you need kratom? Sleeping ?? there are plenty of other sleep aids around.. Note, you didn't say anything about Pain Relief. Those who take kratom MAINLY for pain.. Are in a different place.. They don't feel "effects" as much. But they get pain relief... people take kratom for different reasons.

At this point... Take A Break. Sounds like U need a good 3-day Break with NO kratom, in order to refresh your system

I totally agree with most of what you said. I don’t take kratom in the MIDDLE of the night. I take it as my LAST dose of the day at night. I’ve stuck with the same dosing schedule for a very long time now. I just had more consistent affects when I used to take more kratom every day than when I chose to do the “less is more” take. I obviously wanted to dodge those interdose withdrawals as well but mainly wanted more euphoric affects. How would you recommend me taking a break? Because going cold turkey for me is a no no right now. I’m not in the right position to do that right now. So maybe cut my dose in half or 2/3?

Take a look at the Palmetoyel....or however you spell that compound thread. some folks found this effective for stopping their interdose withdrawls.

BallzDeep9 wrote:

DontSlipBananaClip wrote:I’ve gotten down to 9-10gpd and I take 2g doses and a 3g dose at night. For the past month I have gotten little to no affects from my doses.

At this point... Take A Break. Sounds like U need a good 3-day Break with NO kratom, in order to refresh your system

This is wisdom.. this you need to do.

RumRunner wrote:

BallzDeep9 wrote:

DontSlipBananaClip wrote:I’ve gotten down to 9-10gpd and I take 2g doses and a 3g dose at night. For the past month I have gotten little to no affects from my doses.

At this point... Take A Break. Sounds like U need a good 3-day Break with NO kratom, in order to refresh your system

This is wisdom.. this you need to do.

This is true BUT with LIFE going on around us every day, jobs, kids, etc. it isnt easy to set aside time to be useless, grumpy, and back in pain. I likely need a tolerance reak as well, but life just doesn't allow me to.

DontSlipBananaClip wrote:I’ve gotten down to 9-10gpd and I take 2g doses and a 3g dose at night. For the past month I have gotten little to no affects from my doses. Why might this be? I’ve been rotating and still that does not work. I am very active and also take vitamins. I don’t know what could be causing my doses to not work anymore. These 2g doses used to work but don’t anymore

Another way you can reset kratom is by simply taking small doses for 2-4 weeks not to feel anything and avoid wds, until you body auto reaches full effect 2 gram a dose. Just dont expect anything and take small and keep at it, dont full yourself and increase it, stick with the program. Effects will return, main goal to avoid wd's or very little and feel nothing for some weeks. for some it might start waorking in one week for other few or more weeks. expect nothing but just to avoid wd's until one day you realize your feel nothing is starting to feel something and not a bad one. This is just another method with out going cold turkey. But if you know 100% you can get away with even less kratom, do so. Also if you know you can extend longer time between doses, do so. This will increase faster body reset to the point where you start to feel as usual.

brave777 wrote:Another way you can reset kratom is by simply taking small doses for 2-4 weeks not to feel anything and avoid wds, until you body auto reaches full effect 2 gram a dose. Just dont expect anything and take small and keep at it, ... Stick with the program. Effects will return.

Good plan. Avoid wd for a 2-week taper, watch your gpd! I mean them's your choices really: 1- cold turkey plan, 2- taper method.

Add to that: Agmatine Sulfate.. and BSO, black seed oil. A 3rd would be Cats Claw. Those 3 supplements IN that order, are proven to work for re-setting tolerance, when also lowering dose... Look 'em up on the Knowledge Base (Reddit) there's 100s of reviews.. other things, like Phenethylamine (PEA), are not yet used by many people... Go with what's already known to work.

Agmatine should have it's own discussion.. I prefer to cycle it for 3 days, low dose. Others, the Pain people.. report they take huge doses, daily. But it does help. Agmatine, at night, together with BSO and a little Tylenol - will totally fix RLS - Taper down over 1 week, then go 3-days Agmatine/ and switch to Stem & Vein. Make sure it's "pure" S+V, none of this Red S+V lol

Sounds like maybe, you are not just dependent.. you are "addicted" to kratom ?? Like some OCD thing where you can't stop your behavior, even though it gives no effects & you're only doing it to avoid wds? Then ultimately... See a doctor. We're not setup for "real" medical advice here.

Last Resort, would be get a 3-day supply of benzo's, from your doctor.. and a tranq like Trazodone. and some Tylenol.. Knock yourself out and Stay at home for 3 days sleeping it off... Do Not take any opiods! Do Not take more than 2 or 3 days of benzos!! Good luck.

This was mentioned earlier in the thread, and yes there are a lot of or sleep aids. But for me a few grams of kratom after being woken up by night terrors, sleep paralysis, and hypnagogic hallucinations, etc which happen a lot unfortunately, is the best remedy. I also take several other actual sleep aids.... melatonin, valerian, benadryl, risperdal (just as a knockout pill), prazosin (for nightmares, not to mention Ambien and lunesta (not all at once,). None absolve my nightmares 100%, so I kinda live with it. But when I'm woken up startled in a cold swear feeling incredibly anxious, a moderate dose of red strain is perfect, and I can always resume sleep undisturbed until morning.

I have the same issue, and it's due to what everyone said. Since you're under the influence of kratom all the time, it becomes the new "normal". Taking a tolerance break will definitely bring back some of the magic, the longer you can do it the better. Most of the time I'm forced to take a tolerance break consisting of a few days near the end of every month, and after the break I definitely notice better burns. Sadly this doesn't last long though, in my case at least.