Time to get rid of "colors"?

[lemondrop]

As we've learned from numerous sources, there are no differences is kratom due to vein color.
There may be differences due to drying methods, age of leaves, cultivated or wild etc but I think it's been well established that there is no correlation between effects and vein color as nearly all kratom has the same color of veins.

When is it time to stop categorizing product this way? It leads to such silliness as "only reds work for me" or "yellows make me sick" when it fact that red or yellow moniker was picked right out of the air to name the product.

I don't see how persisting in this myth helps anyone. Does anyone see a new way to describe kratom?

[mivanqua]

Um...Ice T would like a word.

https://youtu.be/LI8Zx_QvNVU

[BallzDeep9]

As we've learned from numerous sources, there are no differences is kratom due to vein color.
There may be differences due to drying methods, age of leaves, cultivated or wild etc.... Does anyone see a new way to describe kratom?

Good topic thanks for starting ... There "may be differences" due to vein color, but how would anyone know? Since

• 90% of the leaves are naturally reddish vein color at harvest
• The 10% of greenish or young leaves are not separated at harvest!

So would it be more correct, to say: "Veins and strains" do not exist ? IN the product as we know it.

Obviously there are different colors. Kratom is a product that is manufactured in various colors... Some products are shades of red - Sun dried, oxidized, and or fermented, Bentuangie.) while... Other products are green color: Indoor dried, (and or possibly blended with tea leaves or artificial coloring agents). Sure, In Theory there are strains ( Rifat and Bumblebee etc), and there are shades of red & green vein colors. (White Vein is totally fake) lol.

But... this is a product, that is manufactured in various colors. Those colors are not "strains" or "veins", they are simply colors... and often the whole point of manufacturing is, to create various colors for marketing purposes.

[FartBlaster]

The color tells you the speed usually and seems useful when ordering.

[FossilsAreRocks]

It's like weed, regardless if it would be better to lose of the marketing some people love the idea of new strains and variety. The suppliers on both ends have opened up a box that cannot be closed.

[beathappening]

It's like weed, regardless if it would be better to lose of the marketing some people love the idea of new strains and variety. The suppliers on both ends have opened up a box that cannot be closed.

Totally agree here. For better or worse, strain colors/names are here to stay. It's part and parcel of the kratom culture and I don't think everyone is going independently rethink the whole marketing structure. When I tell new people about kratom, often one thing they already "know" is the colors and even though I mention that strain names don't really matter, it's already built-in in their mind...you can't unlearn it, so I just go with it. Even if vendors adopted a whole new way of selling their kratom and changed it all at once, everyone would be asking "what strain is this one? Is it fast or slow?"

However, this brings me to one thing I still don't get-people referring as specific colors as being fast or slow...like a "slow white" or a "fast red"? I always wonder how you tell the difference between a slow white and a red, or between a fast green and a white. Distinction without a difference?

[Rhino236]

When I design my menu I use color as a reference for the speed of the leaf. That’s about it.

[lemondrop]

I guess I would like to see more honesty in what we purchase.

If made up color and made up strain names are suppose to give a clue as to effects but actually have nothing to do with effects then why can't we have names that actually might have something to do with effects.

Like "indoor line dried with matcha tea added" or "sun dried wild" or "farm grown heat dried mature leaf".

Since the product is more correctly " processed" than it is "manufactured" why can't we know what additives have been included that may affect the experience or how it has been dried that may affect how we metabolized it.

It seems that in the big picture it would only help kratom sales to help people get more exactly what they're looking for and thus buy more.

[DrFappingston]

However, this brings me to one thing I still don't get-people referring as specific colors as being fast or slow...like a "slow white" or a "fast red"? I always wonder how you tell the difference between a slow white and a red, or between a fast green and a white. Distinction without a difference?

I feel like I can describe this decently well as I have a taste for slow whites for work... Never had a fast red though. Essentially, the typical expected effects from a red strain is a kind of sleepy, mellow mind, pain relief and relax sort of experience... The difference between a fast red and a (slow) red is that a fast red is that a they have all the benefits of a red, but doesn't slow you down or even has some energy boost to it.

White strains, at least personally, I describe as fast being the speedy, sometimes jittery let's get up and DO something white whereas a "slow" white is a white that gives you mential energy, but it's focused energy. You're not all over the place bouncing off the walls, you're energized, but able to zone in on a task and complete it without your mind wandering. Granted, that might be more pronounced in myself due to having ADHD and normally having trouble focusing on a task without getting distracted and sidetracked which means that I notice a huge difference in the effects of some whites compared to others. Fast whites make me want to get up and clean, do physical activity. The other makes me want to use my brain, read a book, complete a technical task, be creative through music or art etc...

As for the main post, I think that the color is almost a branding at this point... It might not be factual in the literal sense of the term "white vein" or "green vein"... but it's recognized as the accepted terminology and description at this point. The classification allows us to know what to expect from the strain, it's simple and effective. Granted, it would be nice to see more detail of the strains in the description such as how it was dried, where it was actually harvested, etc. for those that want to learn all the intricacies of the harvest and for the sake of transparency. However, I would venture to guess that most domestic suppliers don't even know how the plant was processed. Kratom is largely unregulated, suppliers are lucky to even have proper CoAs to ensure the product is handled with good practices. Of course, the trust is there with long-term suppliers, they've likely searched around to figure out what indo suppliers have the best quality and arguably more importantly, a consistent quality from batch to batch and from that, we can presume that the product is produced with care.

[RumRunner]

Is something wrong with pink Bali?

[RumRunner]

So the strain name identifies a batch (to some extent). Let em call it whatever they want. The Chevy Tahoe isn’t built in Nevada. Does anyone care? My Diet Coke or Coke Zero more or less the same thing? Red JongKong is a little more sexy than product id#12345dashB.

[Oletimer]

The name identifies the batch,,people remember the date, the name, etc. Of those special batches that everyone remembers. Without the colors, names, it would be blah,,mundane.