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I don’t know who belongs on it. Bad faith vendors. Selling “legal high” crap. Grossly overpriced. Bunk leaf. Adulterated. Confirmed to be ripping people off. Etc... I think we should have a list to help new people.
Gaia?
Hippo?
Kracken?
Urban Ice?

Yeah, since you started this thread .... It's in the works. I could generate this tomorrow, based on Price Per Gram (PPG). For starters.

I mean the WORST vendors, are the worst rip-offs ... Then there's the subjective part. Reviews, which could be bogus, or not....

There's a dozen "vendors" OVER .50 cents PPG. For Example - Kratom K. Price $148 for 8-ounces "Green Vein Hulu Kapuas" - 228 grams

Are those even REAL vendors? I think they're just phishing websites. Phishing for suckers lol

https://www.kratom-k.com/product/green- ... om-powder/

But they’re “the number one importer of kratom in the USA.” They must be good.

OK check this out. The domain Kratom-K dot com... was registered in 2011

This is NOT a pop-up vendor... He's sold, probably millions $. Buying for $30 per kilo and Selling for $600. estimated, Ball Park figures!

So, the dude is a kratom millionaire, he's not the only 1 - Long history, taking advantage of the grey market .. Nothing personal. No need to name names, and yes these people are or were, involved with AKA. I guess I'm a Democratic Socialist? IMO the Feds should grab his bank account, Tax him 90% and distribute the funds to local Mental Health Clinics!! But... Too many idiots voted for Trump.

BallzDeep9 wrote:OK check this out. The domain Kratom-K dot com... was registered in 2011

This is NOT a pop-up vendor... He's sold, probably millions $. Buying for $30 per kilo and Selling for $600. estimated, Ball Park figures!

So, the dude is a kratom millionaire, he's not the only 1 - Long history, taking advantage of the grey market .. Nothing personal. No need to name names, and yes these people are or were, involved with AKA. I guess I'm a Democratic Socialist? IMO the Feds should grab his bank account, Tax him 90% and distribute the funds to local Mental Health Clinics!! But... Too many idiots voted for Trump.

He could be the one that's doubling every donation to the A.K.A. every time they ask for donations

I would assume maintaining a bad vendors list would be way more time consuming and liable to bias than just a regular approved vendor list. Also, how would one define bad? By price? By quality? By delivery time? These are all subjective, fixable problems and I don't feel its fair to outright shame a vendor because they want to charge a little more, they get a bad batch from their supplier, or their outbound deliveries gets delayed by forces out of their control. Thats just my 2 cents of course.

I mean, if someone is straight up scamming (fake companies taking money and then disappearing), then I agree that would definitely be considered bad and we need some kind of scam warning list for that.

Put Herbal Nation on there. People can search this forum for my post pertaining to them selling contaminated kratom and falsifying labs.

e_poison wrote:Also, how would one define bad? By price? By quality? By delivery time? These are all subjective, fixable problems ...

Price is the 1 objective factor. I was a database programmer/ developer, before retirement so when the kratom vendor thing came up, 3 years ago and I noticed such a HUGE discrepancy between prices, head-shop and online... the rest is history I guess So yeah, accurate price data was collected from > 300 online vendors.

To be fair, call it the "Worst Price Rip-Off" Vendors List.. I agree with you, Bad Vendors could mean anything, we've seen a few Low priced sellers get a LOT of complaints, too.. What's worse, paying 5X price for average kratom, or Low price for bunk? High price rip-offs don't get bad reviews, because they don't have too many customers.. Buyers are embarrassed to admit they got suckered.

Kratom is certainly ONE of the worst scams on the Internet.. that's crazy considering all the fake business deals, and phoney products sold online.. all the Boner Pills, remember the Beta Sitosterol prostate pills, pushed by TV ads? Over the last 2 years, Kratom has been a turn-key money maker.. throw up a website, very little investment needed.. just 2 years ago, it was openly sold on Amazon and Ebay.

just 2 years ago, it was openly sold on Amazon and Ebay.

I remember the amazon days, when i was newer i got some from amazon called "Monkey Green" lol.

Check this site out...https://kratomassholes.com

Lots of variables involved, ,when it comes to quality, it's a grey area,,everyone has different opinions, ya know, ,what works for one doesn't work for others,, customer service, communication, etc. Is easier to identify as either great or horrible

I figured we could decide upon the criteria as a community and then work out which vendors belong in the list as a group... through discussion. I still believe it would be useful to new people. Even if the only vendors on the list are ones who have gone out of business or whatever like 7ohm (what happened to that guy, btw?).

BallzDeep9 wrote:OK check this out. The domain Kratom-K dot com... was registered in 2011

This is NOT a pop-up vendor... He's sold, probably millions $. Buying for $30 per kilo and Selling for $600. estimated, Ball Park figures!

So, the dude is a kratom millionaire, he's not the only 1 - Long history, taking advantage of the grey market .. Nothing personal. No need to name names, and yes these people are or were, involved with AKA. I guess I'm a Democratic Socialist? IMO the Feds should grab his bank account, Tax him 90% and distribute the funds to local Mental Health Clinics!! But... Too many idiots voted for Trump.

I like this post, not enough Bernie fans out there. Hopefully this is his turn. I need to open a kratom store lol, even if i make 50,000 a year, id be loving that .

gravystainonmyshirt wrote:

BallzDeep9 wrote:OK check this out. The domain Kratom-K dot com... was registered in 2011

This is NOT a pop-up vendor... He's sold, probably millions $. Buying for $30 per kilo and Selling for $600. estimated, Ball Park figures!

So, the dude is a kratom millionaire, he's not the only 1 - Long history, taking advantage of the grey market .. Nothing personal. No need to name names, and yes these people are or were, involved with AKA. I guess I'm a Democratic Socialist? IMO the Feds should grab his bank account, Tax him 90% and distribute the funds to local Mental Health Clinics!! But... Too many idiots voted for Trump.

I like this post, not enough Bernie fans out there. Hopefully this is his turn. I need to open a kratom store lol, even if i make 50,000 a year, id be loving that .

Bernie <3

herbalhippie wrote:

gravystainonmyshirt wrote:

BallzDeep9 wrote:OK check this out. The domain Kratom-K dot com... was registered in 2011

This is NOT a pop-up vendor... He's sold, probably millions $. Buying for $30 per kilo and Selling for $600. estimated, Ball Park figures!

So, the dude is a kratom millionaire, he's not the only 1 - Long history, taking advantage of the grey market .. Nothing personal. No need to name names, and yes these people are or were, involved with AKA. I guess I'm a Democratic Socialist? IMO the Feds should grab his bank account, Tax him 90% and distribute the funds to local Mental Health Clinics!! But... Too many idiots voted for Trump.

I like this post, not enough Bernie fans out there. Hopefully this is his turn. I need to open a kratom store lol, even if i make 50,000 a year, id be loving that .

Bernie <3

Feel The Bern should be our new catch phrase!

(I love Bernie)

Yo, Happy Hippo is not a bad vendor...

WhiteAngelica wrote:Yo, Happy Hippo is not a bad vendor...

Their rip off prices definitely put them on the cusp of being one at very least tho! For $300 per kilo it better walk my dog and perform sexual favors

I can't comprehend how people are so naive and ignorant that they can't do more than five minutes of research but think there experts on the subject, for kratom and just in general.

trigger wrote:But they’re “the number one importer of kratom in the USA.” They must be good.

If someone drops 600$ on a kilo of kratom they deserve their fermented lawnmower shavings lmao.

My Fellow Kratomites,

This may be a surprise, but not everyone on here is a Bernie fan. I have nothing against anyone liking him, but.... but... if anyone on here said they liked someone else I expect it could be the focus of quite a few negative comments. I'd prefer this not become yet another political debate forum.

pray4peace4 wrote:My Fellow Kratomites,

This may be a surprise, but not everyone on here is a Bernie fan. I have nothing against anyone liking him, but.... but... if anyone on here said they liked someone else I expect it could be the focus of quite a few negative comments. I'd prefer this not become yet another political debate forum.

No surprise, I've seen your posts on r/The_Donald. It seems odd to me that within this last year of me posting here I have made a liberal-leaning comment twice, and both times you have been quick to pounce on me about it. You're the one debating the issue. Why not just let it be??

MetalMamaRocks wrote:

pray4peace4 wrote:My Fellow Kratomites,

This may be a surprise, but not everyone on here is a Bernie fan. I have nothing against anyone liking him, but.... but... if anyone on here said they liked someone else I expect it could be the focus of quite a few negative comments. I'd prefer this not become yet another political debate forum.

No surprise, I've seen your posts on r/The_Donald. It seems odd to me that within this last year of me posting here I have made a liberal-leaning comment twice, and both times you have been quick to pounce on me about it. You're the one debating the issue. Why not just let it be??

I do have to agree with p4p4 to a large extent that politics should be left out of this forum as much as possible and really all public conversations..... along with sex, religion, abortion, and even most time vaccination! These topics become easily heated and no matter what are extremely controversial. This forum is supposed to be friendly, informative, and helpful not causing controversy and or lines to be drawn for people to choose sides of. So it has always been my upbringing and school of thought that these topics are plainly just not appropriate for a public setting and even at plenty of times don't even work out in company of friends/family either....

As stated why create teams and or sides to choose from when we are all here for a common reason/goal?? Can't we just keep it to that??

acejestyr15 wrote:

MetalMamaRocks wrote:

pray4peace4 wrote:My Fellow Kratomites,

This may be a surprise, but not everyone on here is a Bernie fan. I have nothing against anyone liking him, but.... but... if anyone on here said they liked someone else I expect it could be the focus of quite a few negative comments. I'd prefer this not become yet another political debate forum.

No surprise, I've seen your posts on r/The_Donald. It seems odd to me that within this last year of me posting here I have made a liberal-leaning comment twice, and both times you have been quick to pounce on me about it. You're the one debating the issue. Why not just let it be??[/quote

I do have to agree with p4p4 to a large extent that politics should be left out of this forum as much as possible and really all public conversations..... along with sex, religion, abortion, and even most time vaccination! These topics become easily heated and no matter what are extremely controversial. This forum is supposed to be friendly, informative, and helpful not causing controversy and or lines to be drawn for people to choose sides of. So it has always been my upbringing and school of thought that these topics are plainly just not appropriate for a public setting and even at plenty of times don't even work out in company of friends/family either....

As stated why create teams and or sides to choose from when we are all here for a common reason/goal?? Can't we just keep it to that??

That's fine with me. I don't want to talk politics, or religion, or favorite NFL team , and wasn't trying to. I was just making a joke with a funny play on words (Feel the Bern, Burn, get it?) and pray4peace4 felt like he had to call me out on it. I didn't mean to cause any controversy.

how about red devil he very expensive i remember i paid him over $100 for 4 oz . i still have those king strain they not even work for me

I was just making a joke with a funny play on words (Feel the Bern, Burn, get it?)

A good one! Went right over my head the 1st time, embarrassed to admit How about a Sub- forum Kratom for Bernie fans.. You could post on any other place, Facebook or whatever. Kratom lovers Feel the Bern! - There IS a political side to kratom. Republicans in Congress did try to BAN kratom last year, and Red States DO have a problem...

But! In the interest of getting Back to the Topic! Here are the TEN WORST vendors by Price. They mostly have very nice slick websites, remember, its all about your money!

• Kratom-K
• PurKratom
• CBD Kratom
• Herbal Cafe
• Authentic Kratom
• Kratom Scout
• Kratom USA
• Red Devil Kratom
• Choice Botanicals
• Coastline Kratom

MetalMamaRocks wrote: That's fine with me. I don't want to talk politics, or religion, or favorite NFL team , and wasn't trying to. I was just making a joke with a funny play on words (Feel the Bern, Burn, get it?) and pray4peace4 felt like he had to call me out on it. I didn't mean to cause any controversy.

Awesome all good then, no harm no foul!

Lock her up!

BallzDeep9 wrote:How about a Sub- forum Kratom for Bernie fans..

A subforum for advocacy and the more political side of kratom might be a good idea. Would keep the main forum clear of political talk, which is a huge turn off for some.

beathappening wrote:Lock her up!

Lol... Noooo!

acejestyr15 wrote:

WhiteAngelica wrote:Yo, Happy Hippo is not a bad vendor...

Their rip off prices definitely put them on the cusp of being one at very least tho! For $300 per kilo it better walk my dog and perform sexual favors

bahaha

Personally, I'm not opposed to the idea. It's a "touchy" subject, for sure. Folks are mostly concerned about their $$, and they should be! No one wants to get ripped off. And some of the payment options do not protect you from Fraud. That's one concern. MY most immediate concern is QUALITY. Bunk kratom is one thing: dirty, infected, adulterated kratom is another. I don't want to ingest something processed, weighed and packaged in someone's filthy kitchen, bathroom or outdoor shed. Was it contaminated with pesticides, incomplete combustion (truck et. exhaust), old plastics, filthy hands & feet at harvest too?

Some of you have heard of Speciosa Republic (SR). I'm not going to leave a link, 'cause I don't want to be "that person." Google at your own... discretion. They claim to be a watchdog group that responds to "consumer complaints and concerns" but I have never found a CONTACT NUMBER. They want everyone to be "GMP Compliant" but they don't even bother to tell you what "GMP" means - sigh. They are also behind a lot the push for AKA, imo.

My own personal opinion: if you are having a problem with a vendor or their product, leave it in the "Review" forum. I have mentioned some problems with some kratom in the past. The first thing I am asked is "where did you buy it." People want to know, and they aren't afraid to ask. When I have answered I have tried to be completely honest about everything - INCLUDING what I might have done wrong.

I don't think anyone here wants to purposefully put some one out of business. I could be wrong. But fair is fair. Don't be afraid to post a review that is honest - good OR bad.

Greyfeather wrote: Was it contaminated with pesticides, incomplete combustion (truck et. exhaust), old plastics, filthy hands & feet at harvest too?

I just kind of assume at least one or more of these is the case and try not to think about it. As far as vendors bagging up kratom in their kitchen, what do most of us do when we're selling or trading on the Trading Post? I know I don't have a clean room, although I keep the area as clean as possible. Does anyone here have a clean room?

My idea of a bad vendor is consistent junk kratom, not the occasional not-so-good batch that many vendors will have from time to time, and outrageously inflated prices. Taking advantage of the newbies using Google to find their kratom.

BallzDeep9 wrote:

I was just making a joke with a funny play on words (Feel the Bern, Burn, get it?)

A good one! Went right over my head the 1st time, embarrassed to admit How about a Sub- forum Kratom for Bernie fans.. You could post on any other place, Facebook or whatever. Kratom lovers Feel the Bern! - There IS a political side to kratom. Republicans in Congress did try to BAN kratom last year, and Red States DO have a problem...

But! In the interest of getting Back to the Topic! Here are the TEN WORST vendors by Price. They mostly have very nice slick websites, remember, its all about your money!

• Kratom-K
• PurKratom
• CBD Kratom
• Herbal Cafe
• Authentic Kratom
• Kratom Scout
• Kratom USA
• Red Devil Kratom
• Choice Botanicals
• Coastline Kratom

When I vacationed to Dallas Texas not to long ago, and I stopped by at the CBD Kratom local shop just to see. Super expensive but I also got some of the best quality Kratom I've had believe it or not. I was shocked. One of the strains actually numbed my tongue slightly, thoughts?

herbalhippie wrote:

Greyfeather wrote: Was it contaminated with pesticides, incomplete combustion (truck et. exhaust), old plastics, filthy hands & feet at harvest too?

I just kind of assume at least one or more of these is the case and try not to think about it. As far as vendors bagging up kratom in their kitchen, what do most of us do when we're selling or trading on the Trading Post? I know I don't have a clean room, although I keep the area as clean as possible. Does anyone here have a clean room?

My idea of a bad vendor is consistent junk kratom, not the occasional not-so-good batch that many vendors will have from time to time, and outrageously inflated prices. Taking advantage of the newbies using Google to find their kratom.

I didn't mean to offend anyone here. Really.

I am immunocompromised. That doesn't mean I'm special, but it does mean that a little bit of something in kratom probably won't hurt you, but it probably will me and it already has. My body can't protect me from otherwise "harmless" bacteria (which includes shit like cancer too). I'm not angry about it; just wish I were healthier, lol. And I'm not a "clean freak" either. That is my mother's obsession and it f*cking destroyed our family. The really shitty part is that I likely ended up this way because I exposed myself to an unsafe environment for two decades.

And I admit it, I will probably never purchase or trade anything on the Trading Post unless it has guaranteed never been opened. And I will not send anyone kratom unless it is unopened and safe in a box that is sitting in a large, well-circulated room. I just would not do that. Will.Not. And, yeah, that makes me paranoid about a lot of vendors too. I have shit healthcare and there is no one on this planet who is looking out for me or gives a shit if I die - except me, so I'm careful and I ask questions because I don't want to blame anyone else if I am the careless one.

WickedMadScientist wrote:

BallzDeep9 wrote:

I was just making a joke with a funny play on words (Feel the Bern, Burn, get it?)

A good one! Went right over my head the 1st time, embarrassed to admit How about a Sub- forum Kratom for Bernie fans.. You could post on any other place, Facebook or whatever. Kratom lovers Feel the Bern! - There IS a political side to kratom. Republicans in Congress did try to BAN kratom last year, and Red States DO have a problem...

But! In the interest of getting Back to the Topic! Here are the TEN WORST vendors by Price. They mostly have very nice slick websites, remember, its all about your money!

• Kratom-K
• PurKratom
• CBD Kratom
• Herbal Cafe
• Authentic Kratom
• Kratom Scout
• Kratom USA
• Red Devil Kratom
• Choice Botanicals
• Coastline Kratom

When I vacationed to Dallas Texas not to long ago, and I stopped by at the CBD Kratom local shop just to see. Super expensive but I also got some of the best quality Kratom I've had believe it or not. I was shocked. One of the strains actually numbed my tongue slightly, thoughts?

Purkratom: Absolutely. Not only is it overpriced. It is bunk. Even worse? Claims to be "Pure" but then they put additives in the leaf. It says so on the back f the package. Purkratom is owned by a computer parts company.

e_poison wrote:

BallzDeep9 wrote:How about a Sub- forum Kratom for Bernie fans..

A subforum for advocacy and the more political side of kratom might be a good idea. Would keep the main forum clear of political talk, which is a huge turn off for some.

Great idea.

I don't envy you having to keep any eye on us, though

Greyfeather wrote:

herbalhippie wrote:

Greyfeather wrote: Was it contaminated with pesticides, incomplete combustion (truck et. exhaust), old plastics, filthy hands & feet at harvest too?

I just kind of assume at least one or more of these is the case and try not to think about it. As far as vendors bagging up kratom in their kitchen, what do most of us do when we're selling or trading on the Trading Post? I know I don't have a clean room, although I keep the area as clean as possible. Does anyone here have a clean room?

My idea of a bad vendor is consistent junk kratom, not the occasional not-so-good batch that many vendors will have from time to time, and outrageously inflated prices. Taking advantage of the newbies using Google to find their kratom.

I didn't mean to offend anyone here. Really.

I was not offended! I don't think what you wrote was offensive at all!

"I was not offended! I don't think what you wrote was offensive at all!"

Thanks HH.

It's hard for me to tell sometimes. I think I try too hard.

You're just so

Yes. A bad vendor list would be great. Similar to ballz's list, but with all the outrageous prices, PPG, salmonella reports, and other negative attributes, including a few quotes from bad reviews. Might come off as a bit elitist to some, but I'd personally enjoy it, and it would save time for newbs coming to the forum asking about Gaia and OPMS and such. Sort of like a kratom.assholes or SR but less obviously biased.