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Has anyone tried the new TFH Red Elephant Kali (Red) or Blast Off Bali (White)?

It's been a pretty slow dry season, it seems, but I believe these are both new.

??

I've tried a bunch of their selections over the past year and truthfully, it wasn't what it used to be. (Haven't tried everything though) Really the only one that seems consistent and my favorite as of lately is the Top Shelf Green Muna "MIR7" but I rarely dose TFH. Wild Green Hulu Kapuas and Baik Bali are good. I don't know what it is and I can't seem to pinpoint it really but I used to be able to take less to get more of an effect because of how potent the leaf used to be. I initially thought months back that It was too potent and needed to take less, but weeks after of testing it seemed like I actually needed more than normal to get same effects. But then you know when you may of took more than needed then you hit that ceiling cap and fall flat and lose the effects, it's what happens.

A lot of it oddly seems the same, just different drying methods. What do I know though....

I too am curious if these are new batches seperate from other selections.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:08 pm I've tried a bunch of their selections over the past year and truthfully, it wasn't what it used to be. (Haven't tried everything though) Really the only one that seems consistent and my favorite as of lately is the Top Shelf Green Muna "MIR7" but I rarely dose TFH. Wild Green Hulu Kapuas and Baik Bali are good. I don't know what it is and I can't seem to pinpoint it really but I used to be able to take less to get more of an effect because of how potent the leaf used to be. I initially thought months back that It was too potent and needed to take less, but weeks after of testing it seemed like I actually needed more than normal to get same effects. But then you know when you may of took more than needed then you hit that ceiling cap and fall flat and lose the effects, it's what happens.

A lot of it oddly seems the same, just different drying methods. What do I know though....

I too am curious if these are new batches seperate from other selections.

I have to ask - have you tried Crown Jewel Sumpur (Red)? For me, I think it's been consistently the best kratom I've ever had.

I was a little disappointed on my first couple of tries, but then on the third it was like my body decided "Ooooooh, I get this now!" I just dosed it today, and it's just as good!

SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:31 pm

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:08 pm I've tried a bunch of their selections over the past year and truthfully, it wasn't what it used to be. (Haven't tried everything though) Really the only one that seems consistent and my favorite as of lately is the Top Shelf Green Muna "MIR7" but I rarely dose TFH. Wild Green Hulu Kapuas and Baik Bali are good. I don't know what it is and I can't seem to pinpoint it really but I used to be able to take less to get more of an effect because of how potent the leaf used to be. I initially thought months back that It was too potent and needed to take less, but weeks after of testing it seemed like I actually needed more than normal to get same effects. But then you know when you may of took more than needed then you hit that ceiling cap and fall flat and lose the effects, it's what happens.

A lot of it oddly seems the same, just different drying methods. What do I know though....

I too am curious if these are new batches seperate from other selections.

I have to ask - have you tried Crown Jewel Sumpur (Red)? For me, I think it's been consistently the best kratom I've ever had.

I was a little disappointed on my first couple of tries, but then on the third it was like my body decided "Ooooooh, I get this now!" I just dosed it today, and it's just as good!

Yeah back when everyone was raving about it, I ended up getting a 100g bag of it plus 2x 250g bags, still sealed. Same with Ancient Forest White... I liked the ancient forest better, was a slow heavier burn like a red, for me at least.

I've given it like 15 different runs, nothing stood out for me on that batch. It's really weird seeing all the comments about how good it is, and also saying the same thing you said where it didn't do much first couple tries then it does? Good kratom for me has always been effective for me immediately, and is consistent each burn. I haven't found that recently with TFH. I'll need to revisit it again, it's been a while, I'll burn that when I get home tonight and see how it goes.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:08 pm I've tried a bunch of their selections over the past year and truthfully, it wasn't what it used to be. (Haven't tried everything though) Really the only one that seems consistent and my favorite as of lately is the Top Shelf Green Muna "MIR7" but I rarely dose TFH. Wild Green Hulu Kapuas and Baik Bali are good. I don't know what it is and I can't seem to pinpoint it really but I used to be able to take less to get more of an effect because of how potent the leaf used to be. I initially thought months back that It was too potent and needed to take less, but weeks after of testing it seemed like I actually needed more than normal to get same effects. But then you know when you may of took more than needed then you hit that ceiling cap and fall flat and lose the effects, it's what happens.

A lot of it oddly seems the same, just different drying methods. What do I know though....

I too am curious if these are new batches seperate from other selections.

Have you tried the Zenith Green Suma? that one is definitely a potent upper-mid spec green, the Wild Rocket Green (100g bags only) also. Wild Jade Reserve doesn't blow my head off but it's pretty solid. I'm a sucker for anything "Kali" though so I will definitely be ordering the Red Elephant Kali.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:32 pm

SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:31 pm

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:08 pm I've tried a bunch of their selections over the past year and truthfully, it wasn't what it used to be. (Haven't tried everything though) Really the only one that seems consistent and my favorite as of lately is the Top Shelf Green Muna "MIR7" but I rarely dose TFH. Wild Green Hulu Kapuas and Baik Bali are good. I don't know what it is and I can't seem to pinpoint it really but I used to be able to take less to get more of an effect because of how potent the leaf used to be. I initially thought months back that It was too potent and needed to take less, but weeks after of testing it seemed like I actually needed more than normal to get same effects. But then you know when you may of took more than needed then you hit that ceiling cap and fall flat and lose the effects, it's what happens.

A lot of it oddly seems the same, just different drying methods. What do I know though....

I too am curious if these are new batches seperate from other selections.

I have to ask - have you tried Crown Jewel Sumpur (Red)? For me, I think it's been consistently the best kratom I've ever had.

I was a little disappointed on my first couple of tries, but then on the third it was like my body decided "Ooooooh, I get this now!" I just dosed it today, and it's just as good!

Yeah back when everyone was raving about it, I ended up getting a 100g bag of it plus 2x 250g bags, still sealed. Same with Ancient Forest White... I liked the ancient forest better, was a slow heavier burn like a red, for me at least.

I've given it like 15 different runs, nothing stood out for me on that batch. It's really weird seeing all the comments about how good it is, and also saying the same thing you said where it didn't do much first couple tries then it does? Good kratom for me has always been effective for me immediately, and is consistent each burn. I haven't found that recently with TFH. I'll need to revisit it again, it's been a while, I'll burn that when I get home tonight and see how it goes.

CJS worked for me on the first try, it's got amazing mood lift if you're into that. I can't speak for the pain relief but it will definitely level you out and cure a case of the blues. It does lack that extra POW potency that some other batches like the first Rocket Red (or most recent batch) or Wild Red Hangat Hulu. DTE has also had some banger reds with mood lift and potency. (Red Bone K16, for example)

Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:45 pm

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:32 pm

SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:31 pm
I have to ask - have you tried Crown Jewel Sumpur (Red)? For me, I think it's been consistently the best kratom I've ever had.

I was a little disappointed on my first couple of tries, but then on the third it was like my body decided "Ooooooh, I get this now!" I just dosed it today, and it's just as good!

Yeah back when everyone was raving about it, I ended up getting a 100g bag of it plus 2x 250g bags, still sealed. Same with Ancient Forest White... I liked the ancient forest better, was a slow heavier burn like a red, for me at least.

I've given it like 15 different runs, nothing stood out for me on that batch. It's really weird seeing all the comments about how good it is, and also saying the same thing you said where it didn't do much first couple tries then it does? Good kratom for me has always been effective for me immediately, and is consistent each burn. I haven't found that recently with TFH. I'll need to revisit it again, it's been a while, I'll burn that when I get home tonight and see how it goes.

CJS worked for me on the first try, it's got amazing mood lift if you're into that. I can't speak for the pain relief but it will definitely level you out and cure a case of the blues. It does lack that extra POW potency that some other batches like the first Rocket Red (or most recent batch) or Wild Red Hangat Hulu. DTE has also had some banger reds with mood lift and potency. (Red Bone K16, for example)

I have a kilo of sealed 125g bags of all K16's including 2x red bone's if you are interested! PM me and I'll list out all the varieties.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 10:58 pm

Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:45 pm

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:32 pm

Yeah back when everyone was raving about it, I ended up getting a 100g bag of it plus 2x 250g bags, still sealed. Same with Ancient Forest White... I liked the ancient forest better, was a slow heavier burn like a red, for me at least.

I've given it like 15 different runs, nothing stood out for me on that batch. It's really weird seeing all the comments about how good it is, and also saying the same thing you said where it didn't do much first couple tries then it does? Good kratom for me has always been effective for me immediately, and is consistent each burn. I haven't found that recently with TFH. I'll need to revisit it again, it's been a while, I'll burn that when I get home tonight and see how it goes.

CJS worked for me on the first try, it's got amazing mood lift if you're into that. I can't speak for the pain relief but it will definitely level you out and cure a case of the blues. It does lack that extra POW potency that some other batches like the first Rocket Red (or most recent batch) or Wild Red Hangat Hulu. DTE has also had some banger reds with mood lift and potency. (Red Bone K16, for example)

I have a kilo of sealed 125g bags of all K16's including 2x red bone's if you are interested! PM me and I'll list out all the varieties.

I'd be interested in the Deep Jungle Red Sumatra if'n you grabbed that one and wanna sell.

I got some fantastic stuff from them back in 2020 back when they had an open sale but I haven't figured out how to purchase from them ever since then, was never able to secure a full membership

Yeah me too.

I have a few batches but I only get the ones that other people are selling which are the best most talked about batches.

I wish I had access to the menu but the books are closed.

I don't always need something new new new to rev my engine, but I love Reds, Elephants, and Kali so I'm ordering.

I figure, at least I know exactly what is on the menu and what speeds and strains I like and need. My partner had some catastrophic dental trauma this month, and so I haven't placed an order of anything in awhile but I will say, in that amount of time I tapped my TFH selection in the modest collection, so I'm starting from scratch, kinda.

Definitely ordering 100 of Red Elephant Kali and plan on a split. Classic favorites of mine are the Baik Hutan MD--for me, it works as an uplifting day red and have always fangirled the strain. Conversely, I recall the evening time bliss of Baik Bali Especiale, so I will likely go with that and the Crown Jewel Sumpur...which for me, had the same effect. Tried it and maybe the 3rd time, bam. My receptors get all weird and need to be reset constantly to get truly objective reads on things.

Admittedly, I've been mainlining Treasure House while pouting because the CT kratom ban means they will shutter the house in October. I don't handle change well. I'm still stalking Botanical Bunny, hoping some just magically returns and I can go back to one of my favorite vendors. The site would just calm me down and I'd have like a Pavlovian response to access and ordering....now it is sad and I am looking through the window of vendors that have had to close. I get really, really attached...

(If anyone has a fat, diverse selection of the Bunny they are willing to part with, I've been trolling for some of my favorites and simply too afraid to touch what little I have left.) Just a heads up though, if you also like TH and you haven't ordered and plan on doing so one of these days. The next order is your chance, whenever batch 88 shows up.

Unlike sentiment in a few other posts, I'm not quitting until they bury me deep. I don't get folks you are all backed up from kratom. I guarantee I take a bucket more than the average bear in every given day and I'm a regular shit-house and just a disgusting human, inside and out.

Although guys, I'm so gay that my partner had to explain what 'ballz deep' actually meant as a Username. So all this time, I guess it wasn't a name about a dog that liked to bury his tennis balls in the back yard. Well, my Username is stupid and comes from a brief moment I joined that pyramid essential oil Ponzi scheme. I don't think we can change these things, so that is my cross to bear.

I have tried all the current TFH reds and know them very well, except Baik Bunut. That one just never ended up happening. I do regret not having ordered a truckload of the strains that are gone now, but I don't want any regrets, so I'm ordering new and plan on a split of my favorite classics. That is more than 4, but I want a super balanced split kilo--half fast red, half slow. All about pain, though. It could be the greatest leaf in the world but if I can still feel the unvarnished truth of my broken body, I need something tough!

Sending out the bat signal to elbandito88. I'm interested in the Mystic White Melawi: A113. I can't order until next weekend, fingers crossed on a new Green or Gold/Yellow by then.

Mystic white malawi sounds great.

The ancient forest white I got is awesome.

Is there leaf real good right now at tfh. Really need some recs please thank you.

Blast Off Bali 25:AZ6
Afterburner Bali MK-SD7
White Lightning WM-AZ9
Top Shelf Green Muna MIR7
Wild Green Hulu Kapuas IR-32
Wild Mature Green Maeng Da A7-W17C
I prefer faster strains, and for me, these are great.

I never could get into Wild White Vietnam, which Chris (TFH vendor along with his family) really loved, and I tried a few iterations of...but if you want recent slammin whites, try:

-afterburner bali: MK-D7
-white lightning tfh: wm-az9
-ancient forest white: a7-w24

each has its own level of speediness and smoothness along with good feels. They don't have an 'oh no, what have I taken?' scariness lift off, more of a 'buckle your seatbelts and hold on' plus the smoothness at a medium high dosage. Smaller dose = smile and get chores done energy.

I also recommend Zenith Green Suma VSOP: IRCA-13G for good vibes.

anyone try the Mystic White Melawi yet?

Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 9:01 pm anyone try the Mystic White Melawi yet?

Not yet, but soon! Maybe in a couple of days.

I'm also working my way through Mitraman's new "Secret" batches (FIVE of them!) - Secret Green this morning was very nice!

SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:31 pm

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:08 pm I've tried a bunch of their selections over the past year and truthfully, it wasn't what it used to be. (Haven't tried everything though) Really the only one that seems consistent and my favorite as of lately is the Top Shelf Green Muna "MIR7" but I rarely dose TFH. Wild Green Hulu Kapuas and Baik Bali are good. I don't know what it is and I can't seem to pinpoint it really but I used to be able to take less to get more of an effect because of how potent the leaf used to be. I initially thought months back that It was too potent and needed to take less, but weeks after of testing it seemed like I actually needed more than normal to get same effects. But then you know when you may of took more than needed then you hit that ceiling cap and fall flat and lose the effects, it's what happens.

A lot of it oddly seems the same, just different drying methods. What do I know though....

I too am curious if these are new batches seperate from other selections.

I have to ask - have you tried Crown Jewel Sumpur (Red)? For me, I think it's been consistently the best kratom I've ever had.

I was a little disappointed on my first couple of tries, but then on the third it was like my body decided "Ooooooh, I get this now!" I just dosed it today, and it's just as good!

Crown Jewel Sumpur? I've got that. A total dud for me.

pray4peace4 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 9:54 pm Crown Jewel Sumpur? I've got that. A total dud for me.

It's certainly a fickle leaf, so many variables!

Crown Jewel Sumpur for me is - repeatedly - the best I've ever had

A last year's batch of Smiley's Blue Flame was the most awesome for me on the first time I tried it, and it's still very good, but Crown Jewel... my my my...

You might wanna try Mitraman's current Secret Red #2 - it's excellent!

Crown Jewel is five stars and the best I’ve had in awhile.

I am going to obsessively echo the TFH Red Elephant Kali. It is literally the Adam to my Eve, copilot in bliss.

KennyOmitra wrote: ↑Sun Oct 05, 2025 10:17 pm Crown Jewel is five stars and the best I’ve had in awhile.

We have a green version of the "Crown Jewel" series coming out soon! Im pretty sure its going to be a crowd pleaser

A green crown jewel. I can’t wait.

New to this forum. I have been using Kratom on and off for the last 3 years. No addiction at all. My use is for energy and relief of arthritis. I have a lower degenerative disk which gives me pain and stiffness. Also have the same in my left toe, (hallius ridgis) and my feet ache when walking. I take 5-7 capsules of Maeng Da every day. I have been prescribed Gabapentin, muscle relaxer, Tylenol and none helped. I took pain killers for a short time but found them to be strong and slightly addictive so I stopped. Then I came across Kratom. This is an amazing wonder tea. It has been working for me and saved my day. I am angry that the gov of the US is trying to put an end to it. This is all about money. The pharm companies know it works and are feeling threaten for profit. Only problem with Kratom is I do not know for sure if the product I am getting at the store is pure and safe of all the garbage the govt is stating they found in Kratom products. Can anyone recommend a good safe pure kratom Product. I will do my own research so please only honest people no companies trying to sell garbage. Ty!

Salvato wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:27 pm New to this forum. I have been using Kratom on and off for the last 3 years. No addiction at all. My use is for energy and relief of arthritis. I have a lower degenerative disk which gives me pain and stiffness. Also have the same in my left toe, (hallius ridgis) and my feet ache when walking. I take 5-7 capsules of Maeng Da every day. I have been prescribed Gabapentin, muscle relaxer, Tylenol and none helped. I took pain killers for a short time but found them to be strong and slightly addictive so I stopped. Then I came across Kratom. This is an amazing wonder tea. It has been working for me and saved my day. I am angry that the gov of the US is trying to put an end to it. This is all about money. The pharm companies know it works and are feeling threaten for profit. Only problem with Kratom is I do not know for sure if the product I am getting at the store is pure and safe of all the garbage the govt is stating they found in Kratom products. Can anyone recommend a good safe pure kratom Product. I will do my own research so please only honest people no companies trying to sell garbage. Ty!

Texas Family Harvest is a private company but they just started an open event. You really don’t get much better than TFH for quality and safety. You have until 12/4 to order.
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