Texas and Florida are both trying to ban kratom?

[froggy33]

Hey guys, I was wondering what exactly is going on with these bills and is there a serious chance our leaf could be banned in either state?

Thanks

Copying these links e-poison posted on another post.

https://www.protectkratom.org/texas

https://www.protectkratom.org/florida

[e_poison]

Hey guys, I was wondering what exactly is going on with these bills and is there a serious chance our leaf could be banned in either state?

In Texas, it has been added to a bill. It's now out of committee and needs to be voted on by the Senate. After the Senate it has to move to the House. And then the Governor. The AKA is trying to stop it at all points. As far as I know, it's only one senator who sponsored the bill and he even admits the problem isn't kratom itself, but things like 7oh. So their proposal is to just ban it all. We'll see how it plays out. There's still plenty of chance to stop it.

For Florida, I'm not sure but I will look into what's going with that bill.

[froggy33]

Thanks for the update. I was going through them last night and there is quite a bit I do not understand. Licensing and regulation on the leaf and much more. All will be well, all will be well.

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[BallzDeep9]

In Texas, it has been added to a bill. It's now out of committee and needs to be voted on by the Senate. ... We'll see how it plays out. There's still plenty of chance to stop it.

Hello E, - AKA held a Webinar yesterday (Sunday 4/6) to update current Legal battles... Last week was crazy - Public events for both TX and FL Bills... All the "arguments and proposals" for "Government Regulation"... back & forth, get very complex -(ALL these Ban Bills are being pushed by GKC.)- So Anyone who wants dive IN - the AKA YouTube Channel is where it's at - - Here's the LINKS --

AKA Sunday Webinar, Mac Haddow talks about current "Ban Bills" TX and FL and others. 51 Minutes. -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvPiXpEbZnE

AKA Texas Emergency Update, Mac and Kurt Bramble discuss ALL the details. 49 Minutes -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7QOFpi-AqM

[e_poison]

Thanks for posting the links to the videos! Will listen during my nightly workout.

It seems as though things may have eased up in Florida, although it's quite possible I'm misinterpreting what I'm reading. Law and bills are definitely not my strong point. Texas seems to still be entirely up in the air.

I'm currently in Texas (for another year or two), so hopefully this ban doesn't go through. But if it does, I will be moving. I already can't stand the miserable climate here, so this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[iamlurkerpro]

Texas banning it would be a disaster as I only really get from TFH anymore.

[anonk]

Looks like Texas voted to keep kratom legal but ban 7-OH, Starts at 0:42 seconds. https://senate.texas.gov/videoplayer.ph ... 65&lang=en

[Adrumaddict]

" As far as I know, it's only one senator who sponsored the bill and he even admits the problem isn't kratom itself, but things like 7oh".

In a perfect world I think we should have the freedom to ingest whatever substances we desire as long it is not hurting anyone else, but this in not the world we live in unfortunately, and that is why I have had the opinion that the isolated 7oh products are ultimately a bad idea as they will likely lead to people like the senator mentioned above reaching the conclusion that a kratom ban is a reasonable proposal, even though 7oh and pure leaf are not the same thing. I think we all need to rethink our position on 7oh. Do we want to keep isolated 7oh and risk losing it all, or should we fight to get rid of 7oh and at least keep pure leaf reasonably safe, because I don't think we can have it both ways, at least not easily and I personally don't find 7oh worth the risk of potentially losing it all. Please everyone consider this.

Also, 7oh doesn't have the clean track record pure leaf has. Dr McCurdy has been warning about 7oh and its potential for abuse for a while now and the AKA used to be on board with this opinion, until they found out how much money they would be missing out on so now they are advocating. Historically pure leaf has been incredibly difficult to ban because the data supports its safety and lower potential for abuse, 7oh does not have that supporting data, and I believe that could open an avenue for all kratom products to potentially be banned. I'm not saying it will for sure result in a total ban, just saying it creates an avenue for that to happen, and I don't think it's worth the risk.

[e_poison]

Looks like Texas voted to keep kratom legal but ban 7-OH, Starts at 0:42 seconds. https://senate.texas.gov/videoplayer.ph ... 65&lang=en

Thanks for the info, anonk! Going to look at this right now.

UPDATE: Victory! Yes, looks like pure kratom was in fact removed from the bill that goes to the Senate. It's looking like 7oh will potentially be banned.

[herbalhippie]

Looks like Texas voted to keep kratom legal but ban 7-OH, Starts at 0:42 seconds. https://senate.texas.gov/videoplayer.ph ... 65&lang=en

Thanks for the info, anonk! Going to look at this right now.

UPDATE: Victory! Yes, looks like pure kratom was in fact removed from the bill that goes to the Senate. It's looking like 7oh will potentially be banned.

Excellent news

[e_poison]

Excellent news

Lots of kratomites and vendors in Texas, so this was definitely a huge win!

I’ll look into Florida and see if I can whip up a quick summary of what’s going on there.

[whoee]

Have ya'll read the bill? I'm confused. It talks about that the 7 hydroxymitrogynine can ONLY be 0.1%. Anything over 0.1 is illegal. Can anyone please explain this? It was listed 2% but they crossed it out and put 0.1%. I'm lost and confused. Basically, will the kratom powder still be the same strength it's always been? I thought that the 7 MIH was one of the alkaloids that works with the Mitrogynine to give kratom its good working properties. Thank you in advance.

[e_poison]

Have ya'll read the bill? I'm confused. It talks about that the 7 hydroxymitrogynine can ONLY be 0.1%. Anything over 0.1 is illegal. Can anyone please explain this? It was listed 2% but they crossed it out and put 0.1%. I'm lost and confused. Basically, will the kratom powder still be the same strength it's always been? I thought that the 7 MIH was one of the alkaloids that works with the Mitrogynine to give kratom its good working properties. Thank you in advance.

Which bill? The Texas bill or Florida bill?

[e_poison]

Okay I looked into Florida and there are 2 bills. It looks like kratom will not be banned, just more regulated. But interpreting law/bills is not my strong point. Can anyone clarify this?

This is Florida HB1489:

Kratom Products; Revises Florida Kratom Consumer Protection Act; requires DACS to certify certain laboratories; provides for distribution & retail sale of kratom products; provides for mail order, Internet, & remote sales of kratom products; provides for seizure & destruction of contraband kratom products; prohibits ingestion of kratom products near school properties; authorizes specified businesses to sell kratom products; revises & provides penalties.

Florida SB1734:

Florida Kratom Consumer Protection Act; Revising the definition of the term “kratom product”; prohibiting processors from manufacturing, delivering, offering for sale, distributing, or selling finished kratom products that do not meet specified requirements; requiring that kratom products be manufactured by, delivered to, offered for sale by, distributed by, or sold by a processor who holds a certain permit; requiring such processors to be registered with the United States Food and Drug Administration; prohibiting the serving of kratom beverages combined with alcohol, drugs, or other kratom products, etc. APPROPRIATION: $3,711,749

[whoee]

The Texas bill.....sorry for not clarifying.

[e_poison]

The Texas bill.....sorry for not clarifying.

Here's the updated bill to reflect the kratom changes: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB1868/id/3208640

If I'm reading the bill correctly, the selling of kratom in TX will be much more tightly controlled with stricter regulations. Vendors must test their product for safety and it can only contain a certain percentage of various alkaloids. They also must adhere to strict labeling. No selling to people under 21 and no selling near schools. It seems as if 7oh and similar will be banned, but regular kratom powder will still be fully legal.

Many of the reputable vendors here on Double M already test their product anyway, although this will certainly affect the smallest vendors. And remember, even if a vendor is outside of Texas, they will still have to adhere to this new law to sell to consumers in Texas. Some of these smaller vendors may opt to simply not sell/ship to Texas at all.

[7-hydroxymitragynine]

Things in Texas are really bad. Because of the wording of the amendment it would ban plain leaf as well. Heres the update from the AKA.

"Thank you to everyone who has made calls and messaged the Texas Senate! The messages are getting through but the Texas SB 1868 is still alive and awful for Texans and all American kratom consumers. Although bill says it allows for kratom leaf, because of the product composition restraints on alkaloids like the .1% 7-OH limit included in the bill, it is effectively a ban on all kratom products on the market."

Here is the link to the amended bill.
https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB1868/2025

[e_poison]

Things in Texas are really bad. Because of the wording of the amendment it would ban plain leaf as well. Heres the update from the AKA.

"Thank you to everyone who has made calls and messaged the Texas Senate! The messages are getting through but the Texas SB 1868 is still alive and awful for Texans and all American kratom consumers. Although bill says it allows for kratom leaf, because of the product composition restraints on alkaloids like the .1% 7-OH limit included in the bill, it is effectively a ban on all kratom products on the market."

Here is the link to the amended bill.
https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB1868/2025

Yep, the wording is really strange. If their intent is truly to keep kratom legal, they need to change the wording. Otherwise the .1% alkaloid limit is really misleading.