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I've always done toss n wash but I have friends that like to mix it in water and chug it down.

Recently I've been concerned about microbes and I'm thinking about making a tea with hot water (I am a tea fiend) but I'm not sure what a good method for this would be, or how hot the water can be before mitragynine and friends start to break down.

Anyone here use hot water for kratom?

I made tea after my dental surgery last winter (had a wisdom tooth removed) because I didn't want the raw powder in my mouth with an open wound. I brought some water to a boil and then boiled the kratom for like 10-15 minutes. After, I'd add some honey. I don't believe kratom can break down in hot water. In fact, quite the opposite as some even say it potentiates it. People boil it for all kinds of teas, elixirs, etc. and remember water can only get so hot before it turns to steam anyway.

e_poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 7:55 pm I made tea after my dental surgery last winter (had a wisdom tooth removed) because I didn't want the raw powder in my mouth with an open wound. I brought some water to a boil and then boiled the kratom for like 10-15 minutes. After, I'd add some honey. I don't believe kratom can break down in hot water. In fact, quite the opposite as some even say it potentiates it. People boil it for all kinds of teas, elixirs, etc. and remember water can only get so hot before it turns to steam anyway.

How efficacious was it compared to your normal consumption method? And did you strain?

I'm readying mitragynine melts at 103 to 106C and doesn't vaporize until 230-240C. Since water boils at 100C, you're right, it should be fine. Assuming 7oh is similar.

I'm also thinking about adding fats to it since mitragynine is fat soluble, but I am not sure how much of a difference this would make.

Efficacy was fine. The tea definitely got the job done.

No, I didn’t strain. Some people do but I didn’t really feel like messing with it after the oral surgery. I figured it was all sterile anyway since it was boiled for 15 minutes.

It was honestly all very unscientific and I’m sure the dosage was uneven and all over the place lol. But, it was just to get me through a week.

I’ve also heard it’s fat soluble. What are you thinking of adding?

e_poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 11:42 am Efficacy was fine. The tea definitely got the job done.

No, I didn’t strain. Some people do but I didn’t really feel like messing with it after the oral surgery. I figured it was all sterile anyway since it was boiled for 15 minutes.

It was honestly all very unscientific and I’m sure the dosage was uneven and all over the place lol. But, it was just to get me through a week.

I’ve also heard it’s fat soluble. What are you thinking of adding?

Haven't had a chance to do this yet. Have just been making normal tea because I'm lazy, hehe.

Thinking of adding butter but maybe I'll do coconut oil. Lipophilic substances benefit from the higher bioavailability of long-chain saturated fats.

Will update this thread when I try it out

I use hot water all the time, no issues here. By break down do you mean ruin it? If so, no need to worry. Boil away!

StringThing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 6:23 pm I've always done toss n wash but I have friends that like to mix it in water and chug it down.

Recently I've been concerned about microbes and I'm thinking about making a tea with hot water (I am a tea fiend) but I'm not sure what a good method for this would be, or how hot the water can be before mitragynine and friends start to break down.

Anyone here use hot water for kratom?

Does hot coffee qualify? Then yes. Cacao gets the hot bath too. It melts the coconut oil too.
It's like fixing a breakage that hasn't even happened yet.

btw, powder does Not float on top of warm or hot water. It sinks right in.

That's really the traditional way to consume herbal preparations. Very warm water. (coffee is an advancement) It's timelessly appropriate. Practical as a rule.
It's not typically about sterilization though. Plant constituents can be damaged from scalding hot water. Some might say "bruising", the preventative is adding a small puddle of water
in the mug or gourd before adding boiling water but even that may be much too hot. May inconsistently alter things. Outcome is not certain at all.
But not unsafe unless you scald yourself which could happen if the compulsion to T & W takes over, going rogue given the circumstances
Stuff happens! But you'll be present and attentive so it wont'.

Powder that arrives closed and sealed is more clean than clean. There's some certainty. Today, there is nothing to verify. It's ALL been exposed to radiation so people will stop talking about fears that Indonesia
is dirty or unsanitary. Yes, I've read that indulgence too. it's someone entertaining themselves.
These days it's as sanitary as it gets, even to a fault.

Preserve quality
You can protect it at home by filling smaller containers either disposed or refilled and seldom
opening the original pkg. You reclose with air pushed out, rebag that bag with food grade dessicant in the outer bag to take humidity away
and if its's a large amount put all that into a canister with food grade oxygen absorbers for long term storage. and something to displace air in a large empty space remaining if true. For plastic canisters replace the oxy packs
annually or more if accessed often. Plastic is gas permeable so oxygen sneaks through and feeds the iron in the oxy pak. It's all cheap in quantity unless you go all in to stop time passing entirely which is expensive and unnecessary. Kratom lasts well, or long with simple effort.