Questions about MIT %, dosing, and extracts

[IdiopathicPain247]

If you need a batch of fermented red that doesn't hit well, wouldn't it be your personal chemistry plus a low MIT %? Could you take more of that batch to increase the MIT effects?
Also if you add an MIT extract to those "weak" batches will it work better?

and If you do spike the dose with an extract, are there white, green, and red extracts, or are they all the same stuff...being just MIT? Is the extract from a red, or green, or white? Does it matter?

I have acute Neuropathy and it is progressive. I need more potent batches. I have gotten all my batches from the small vendors mentioned here on DMH.

Thanks

[boureka]

What's your starting dose that you need to augment?

[Jfish030]

Mit is just mit. Most extracts are just extracts. There is salt based and freebase extractions as the most common types. Salt dissolves fast in liquid and body. (fast acting). Freebase extraction method is slower to break down (longer lasting)

Each different bracket of extraction, 30%,50%,70%+ have different general levels of additional alkaloids still present. The higher the % the less other alkaloids that are present.

If you want to research mitragynine and effects from studies you can follow the chart and effects of mitragynine at different levels, but it normally goes from stimulation at small amounts and sedation at more amounts.

If you keep taking more of a weak red in my experience you miss all the good effects/other effects and just end up with sedation if its not extremely weak. A weak red normally has low amounts of all alkaloids.


You can enhance a kratom strain/batch you dont like and make it better. A real weak red would be not ideal to enhance though. Most enhanced blends are typically green strains not too many fermented reds get enhanced.

[IdiopathicPain247]

What's your starting dose that you need to augment?

2 grams of batches that are 1.0% MIT or lower. Yesterday I took 3-4 grams of 1.0 MIT and it worked. 1.5% hit with 2/3 grams.

[kwest13]

Mit is just mit. Most extracts are just extracts. There is salt based and freebase extractions as the most common types. Salt dissolves fast in liquid and body. (fast acting). Freebase extraction method is slower to break down (longer lasting)

Each different bracket of extraction, 30%,50%,70%+ have different general levels of additional alkaloids still present. The higher the % the less other alkaloids that are present.

If you want to research mitragynine and effects from studies you can follow the chart and effects of mitragynine at different levels, but it normally goes from stimulation at small amounts and sedation at more amounts.

If you keep taking more of a weak red in my experience you miss all the good effects/other effects and just end up with sedation if its not extremely weak. A weak red normally has low amounts of all alkaloids.


You can enhance a kratom strain/batch you dont like and make it better. A real weak red would be not ideal to enhance though. Most enhanced blends are typically green strains not too many fermented reds get enhanced.

Have any good extract recipe links?

[BallzDeep9]

I have acute Neuropathy and it is progressive. I need more potent batches. I have gotten all my batches from the small vendors mentioned here on DMH.

But Plain Leaf powder, IS, by definition limited in potency, so buying more & more "batches" of basically the same stuff... (assuming you buy from top vendors), isn't gonna give you stronger kratom Per Gram. ~ people talk about 2% (20mg Mit per gram) being the upper limit, but most likely you're getting 15mg Mit per gram - Even buying the best "batches" from top vendors.

Studies have shown that Plain Leaf powder contains a variety of minor alkaloids, with at least THREE ~ paynanthiene, speciogynine, and speciociliatine ~ All exhibited competitive antagonist activity at the mµ opioid receptor... Antagonist meaning, Anti- good effects! ~ So this explains the "Less Is More" theory for Plain Leaf... For anyone who wants a deep dive into the alkaloids - Read this: Reddit LINK.

Extract then... is the ONLY way to achieve a potency stronger than Plain Leaf, per gram. Here's an Example... JFish is too modest to hype/ advertise his own stuff, but check it out... Herbal RVA now carries a decent 55% Extract. (The 55% is approximate since Murray Brown's Lab test mixes paynanthiene %) = So he's accounting for that. (Murray's Lab says 61%.).. anyway, you buy 1 Gram. contains 550mg Mitragynine. Yes! that's strong... RVA's page clearly states "Usage: 0.1 Grams per 24 hours". A digital milligram scale, can accurately weigh 1/10 of one gram. A Tenth of a gram.

A Tenth of 1 gram = 55mg Mitragynine ~ which is about equal to 3 Grams of your finest "batch" of Plain Leaf. Serving Suggestion: take this 1/10 along with HALF your regular serving of Plain Leaf! LINK = https://herbal-rva.com/product/55-extract-1-gram/

[IdiopathicPain247]

I have acute Neuropathy and it is progressive. I need more potent batches. I have gotten all my batches from the small vendors mentioned here on DMH.

But Plain Leaf powder, IS, by definition limited in potency, so buying more & more "batches" of basically the same stuff... (assuming you buy from top vendors), isn't gonna give you stronger kratom Per Gram. ~ people talk about 2% (20mg Mit per gram) being the upper limit, but most likely you're getting 15mg Mit per gram - Even buying the best "batches" from top vendors.

Studies have shown that Plain Leaf powder contains a variety of minor alkaloids, with at least THREE ~ paynanthiene, speciogynine, and speciociliatine ~ All exhibited competitive antagonist activity at the mµ opioid receptor... Antagonist meaning, Anti- good effects! ~ So this explains the "Less Is More" theory for Plain Leaf... For anyone who wants a deep dive into the alkaloids - Read this: Reddit LINK.

Extract then... is the ONLY way to achieve a potency stronger than Plain Leaf, per gram. Here's an Example... JFish is too modest to hype/ advertise his own stuff, but check it out... Herbal RVA now carries a decent 55% Extract. (The 55% is approximate since Murray Brown's Lab test mixes paynanthiene %) = So he's accounting for that. (Murray's Lab says 61%.).. anyway, you buy 1 Gram. contains 550mg Mitragynine. Yes! that's strong... RVA's page clearly states "Usage: 0.1 Grams per 24 hours". A digital milligram scale, can accurately weigh 1/10 of one gram. A Tenth of a gram.

A Tenth of 1 gram = 55mg Mitragynine ~ which is about equal to 3 Grams of your finest "batch" of Plain Leaf. Serving Suggestion: take this 1/10 along with HALF your regular serving of Plain Leaf! LINK = https://herbal-rva.com/product/55-extract-1-gram/

$15.25 for a gram. i am taking 3 grams per dose 3 times day, plus 4.5 at 2am. so...1 1/2gr plus .10 of extract 3 times a day, then 2.25gr plus .01 of extract at 2am.? The extract costs $1.50 per time = $7.50 a day. That is about 40grams of powder's worth. That can start costing quite a bit more. I am not sure I can afford that on my budget.

[BallzDeep9]

So.... 1 1/2gr plus .10 of extract 3 times a day, then 2.25gr plus .01 of extract at 2am.? The extract costs $1.50 per time = $7.50 a day. That is about 40grams of powder's worth. That can start costing quite a bit more. I am not sure I can afford that on my budget.

well... Variable Dosing Schedule. I would never advise using extract, the same amount, the same way, throughout the day and night, every day and night.... pretty soon that's your "new normal" and ~ Same problem the kratom abusers have. Then eventually you'd wind up on the AbusingKratom sub on Reddit... blaming kratom for being addictive or whatever. When really it's like ANY other substance.

I guess it comes down to Self Control - many, people enjoy a good whiskey now & then... Or even, a shot daily, during the evening. Or weekends. But drinking whiskey all day & night and you're got a problem!

[IdiopathicPain247]

So.... 1 1/2gr plus .10 of extract 3 times a day, then 2.25gr plus .01 of extract at 2am.? The extract costs $1.50 per time = $7.50 a day. That is about 40grams of powder's worth. That can start costing quite a bit more. I am not sure I can afford that on my budget.

well... Variable Dosing Schedule. I would never advise using extract, the same amount, the same way, throughout the day and night, every day and night.... pretty soon that's your "new normal" and ~ Same problem the kratom abusers have. Then eventually you'd wind up on the AbusingKratom sub on Reddit... blaming kratom for being addictive or whatever. When really it's like ANY other substance.

I guess it comes down to Self Control - many, people enjoy a good whiskey now & then... Or even, a shot daily, during the evening. Or weekends. But drinking whiskey all day & night and you're got a problem!

Yes, I understand. It is something I will consider. Thanks.

[Dreemr]

Are there extracts that are more fast or slow? I bought some from herbal rva and a tiny amount put me out all day, very strong . I'd like something more energetic.

[Joshgreenhorn]

Are there extracts that are more fast or slow? I bought some from herbal rva and a tiny amount put me out all day, very strong . I'd like something more energetic.

I believe the ones with higher MIT% are faster. I could be wrong but I definitely know there is fast extract. I can't speak from experience however, I've never had extract as long as I've been consuming leaf.

[Silentestdemise]

Does herbal rva have any coupon codes. Thinking of giving them a shot.

[SaintsWillConquer]

Does herbal rva have any coupon codes. Thinking of giving them a shot.

I don't think there are any active codes right now. He does a 10% code once or twice a year. But the prices are reasonable and the customer service is excellent.

[Silentestdemise]

Cool thanks. Yea super good prices I was kinda shocked.

[Jfish030]

We had a halloween sale. It was a spur of the moment thing. If you join our FB group you can see any promos we have and herbal rva talk. We only run 2-3 sales a year because our normal pricing is already so low.

You wont see me hype much up like ballz said. It's burned me too many times over the years. Me and the guys at work will really love a strain and gets us super excited, I'll end up posting about it and then 5-10% of customers wont love it and post online against it. Due to how much everyone varies the amount used and what people are actually looking for in the kratom its not the best move to hype up anything anymore.

I always recommend purchasing the 4 way split kilo or a few 100 gram bags. That way youll be more likely to find a bag you really love. Purchasing one bag/strain from a vendor isnt the best move because how kratom works and if you purchase a few bags youll almost always find one you love the most, and reorder that.