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Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:53 pm
by boureka
I don't know about you but at one point, I practically had to (fingers crossed behind my back) promise my doctor I wouldn't go near kràtom. When I'd initially mentioned it, he'd never heard of kràtom but the next time I saw him, he was sure it was devilweed. I guess with a Wikipedia, WebMD,and Mayo Clinic search, he was now an " expert". I never mentioned it again but I'd like to. He's a reasonable guy. Any links anyone recommend I forward to him?
here's one I foundhttps://
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC73 ... 0psychosis
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:31 pm
by MetalMamaRocks
I have seen numerous people post that they told their doctor they took kratom and as a result were flagged as being a drug user. It's a shame.
That being said, if you trust your doctor and think he's open to alternative treatments, I would go ahead and try to educate him.
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:43 pm
by Denette615
You can show him the jack henningfield analyses or animal self administration assays
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:09 pm
by boureka
MetalMamaRocks wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:31 pm
I have seen numerous people post that they told their doctor they took kratom and as a result were flagged as being a drug user. It's a shame.
That being said, if you trust your doctor and think he's open to alternative treatments, I would go ahead and try to educate him.
I think your point is excellent and important. A real caveat to the naive patient. There's a difference between a conversation of, "Here's this substance, here's some information about this substance. What's your opinion?" and "I dose 3 times daily on this leaf." So, yeah, tread carefully
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:14 pm
by boureka
Denette615 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:43 pm
You can show him the jack henningfield analyses or animal self administration assays
Thanks. Looked up jack henningfield and yeah. As far as animal self administration assays though, I wouldn't know where to begin. Not sure what it is! I'm imagining a hedgehog doing a toss and wash, a badger making bubble tea... Do you have a link?
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:47 pm
by mivanqua
boureka wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:14 pm
Denette615 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:43 pm
You can show him the jack henningfield analyses or animal self administration assays
Thanks. Looked up jack henningfield and yeah. As far as animal self administration assays though, I wouldn't know where to begin. Not sure what it is! I'm imagining a hedgehog doing a toss and wash, a badger making bubble tea... Do you have a link?
Sounds pretty wild for sure.
This came up on Duckduckgo IT IS A PDF AND I HAVEN'T READ It.
https://duckduckgo.com/?va=v&t=ha&q=ani ... ays&ia=web
There are assays! There are rats! There's
self-administration!
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:27 pm
by Kelleytoons
Our family doctor we've known for almost 20 years, so we have built up a large trust. He also has prescribed MANY opioids for my wife and I, handing them out like candy even nowadays (when they have cracked down on such things in Florida).
I had no problems telling him that kratom got me off of the opioids - he was actually very happy about it.
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:35 pm
by SeventhHeaven
Go here -
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific ... 2116909551
About 1/4 to 1/3 of the way down the page, find "Understanding Kratom Use: A Guide for Healthcare Providers".
You can "Download full text" (a blue-lined box to left-click)
There are lots of other texts on the page as well, but that one is good.
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:14 pm
by Denette615
Animal models for addiction include those who will self administer the drug, often to death. They typically respond in operant chambers on levers or peck keys to get the drug.
Here is an example
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30039246/
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:19 pm
by SeventhHeaven
Eric, thanks by the way - the one I posted above I found by looking for Jack Henningfield. It's a good one, and specifically for health care providers
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:21 pm
by boureka
SeventhHeaven wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:35 pm
Go here -
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific ... 2116909551
About 1/4 to 1/3 of the way down the page, find "Understanding Kratom Use: A Guide for Healthcare Providers".
You can "Download full text" (a blue-lined box to left-click)
There are lots of other texts on the page as well, but that one is good.
Absolutely perfect. Just what I was looking for: a fair and balanced article for the healthcare practitioner.
Re: Educating your physician about kratom
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:43 pm
by Catcrazy
Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:27 pm
Our family doctor we've known for almost 20 years, so we have built up a large trust. He also has prescribed MANY opioids for my wife and I, handing them out like candy even nowadays (when they have cracked down on such things in Florida).
I had no problems telling him that kratom got me off of the opioids - he was actually very happy about it.
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I have to speak to the truth in which you remarked about the "crackdown" on drugs in Florida. I had a therapist for many years and she was open minded when I told her about Kratom. Rather than discrediting or making me feel like a "druggie", she commented that no one knows our own body and mind like we do.
She retired last summer, and now my new therapist is sooo narrowminded and hyperfocused on the crack down but doesn't know anything at all about Kratom. I'm not going to explain myself to her either.... I am actively looking for a more open minded psychiatrist that truly cares about you as a person not as a stereotype.
Knowledge is power! I agree with you, know your doctor and if your trust in your doctor, its definitely worth a conversation;).