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Posted: **Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:22 pm**

guys I need some serious help. I just spent the last three hours in an internet rabbit hole trying to learn about the best options to quit smoking with vaping. it's tooo much and I don't have much more clarity than I did three hours ago

I searched this forum too, of course, and there was a lot of information, but I'm still confused/overwhelmed. can someone please tell me where to start? what I need to buy? what I need to know... someone who's used vaping to quit smoking themselves would be ideal. I'd be eternally grateful for a specific roadmap here!

I'm curious about multipurpose units... like maybe a dry herb vape that is interchangable with carts and?/or liquids... if there are good options for something like that. I think I've seen those. or would it be better to just buy a couple of separate devices for different needs? I like cbd flower and want to try Delta 8... which I also need to learn more about. agh.

the budget it very flexible because... how much money this will save. even in a short amount of time. and the million other reasons it's vital for me to stop. one being my dad dying of lung cancer in December. I know it kills my mom that I'm still smoking. me too

I heard there are super good sales right now with the impending vape product shipping ban? is the ban just for devices? or accessories, carts, juices too?

Posted: **Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:59 pm**

The shipping ban applies to everything. devices, juice , batteries. It's really absurd . No matter what you decide to get online you probably want to visit a vape shop near you to see what they stock so that if you order something that uses pods you will want to be able to get more when they quit shipping. You are probably going to be able to get a device a lot cheaper online. But you are going to have to deal with a shop here in the near future. I guess you could just get a large supply of whichever you decide to get, but I had to try a couple of different things to land on what worked for me.

This is just my experience , I don't know about switching around tanks for dry herb vaping, if I could smoke weed in this state I think I would just get a separate system.

What ended up working best for me was a mouth to lung(MTL) system that uses Nic salts. mouth to lung emulates the way smokers smoke cigarettes as opposed to direct to lung - which I guess people do . The Nic salts have higher concentrations of nicotine which also more closely emulates the cigarette experience , its a smoother hit that doesn't irritate you throat the way that freebase vape juices have a tendency to . The Juul is a Nic salt vaping system, with disposable Nic salt carts. I tried the regular Vape mods a couple of years ago, that have the tank and the removable batteries and all that , and I quit smoking for a while but, for whatever reason I went back to smoking. I tried again with the Nic juice system and that worked better . It felt closer to ciggerette and it was a lot more simple of a system . the MTL systems have a smaller mouth piece that is closer to what a cigarette feels like as opposed to the big round mouthpieces on the vape mods.

After trying some of the disposable cart ones from the local vape shop I ended up with one of the ones that has a refillable pod instead of disposable carts, that way I don't have to worry about not being able to get the exact right cartridge . I have the Geekvape Aegis , selected just because that's what was in stock at my vape store. It's pretty durable and I don't have too many complaints about it , I've had it about 6 months. The nic salt systems can run at lower wattage because they have more nicotine in them , so the device won't use as much power and the juice lasts longer . I have read that you want .8 or higher coils for Nic salts because lower than that will be to harsh and strong. I am still figuring that out. this is a guide that I find somewhere. But I just noticed that the vape shop sold me the .6ohm coils the last time I was there and it's ok . I am running mine at 16 watts which I think is pretty low. The device I have is adjustable up to 40 watts.

0.6ohm Mesh: Harsher/Stronger Hit, can run Freebase Nic Juice effectively as well as Salt Nic, not 100% MTL (Mouth to Lung) coil.*

1.4ohm Regular: Smoother Hit, Nic Salt only, MTL only.

0.8 MTL Mesh: Pure MTL coil, Nic Salt only, middle ground between two original coils.

I don't know how the coils work with a disposable cart system . most of them don't have a function to adjust the wattage. And I am not sure how you replace the coils. maybe the coil comes as part of the cart.

as far as the Nic salt juice goes. The shop by my house has 20mg 30mg and 50mg. , I stick mostly with the 20mg, works fine for me .
one of my employees used the 50mg all the time and he had all these dramatic problems like withdrawls and overdoses. I'm not sure what the deal was but he's ok now.

I use the lowest MG because I sit and chain-smoke sometimes.

Posted: **Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:24 pm**

Except for a few times quit, a few months here, a couple years there, I've smoked all my adult life. Early last year I got a Smok Novo to use at work when I couldn't get outside for a smoke break. Over time I used the vape more and the cigs less and now I haven't had a cigarette for months. Maybe 5? Lost my smoker's cough and hardly ever have to use my inhaler now. The thought of a cigarette just sounds awful to me now.

Posted: **Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:26 pm**

DittonW wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:59 pm The shipping ban applies to everything. devices, juice , batteries. It's really absurd . No matter what you decide to get online you probably want to visit a vape shop near you to see what they stock so that if you order something that uses pods you will want to be able to get more when they quit shipping. You are probably going to be able to get a device a lot cheaper online. But you are going to have to deal with a shop here in the near future. I guess you could just get a large supply of whichever you decide to get, but I had to try a couple of different things to land on what worked for me.

This is just my experience , I don't know about switching around tanks for dry herb vaping, if I could smoke weed in this state I think I would just get a separate system.

What ended up working best for me was a mouth to lung(MTL) system that uses Nic salts. mouth to lung emulates the way smokers smoke cigarettes as opposed to direct to lung - which I guess people do . The Nic salts have higher concentrations of nicotine which also more closely emulates the cigarette experience , its a smoother hit that doesn't irritate you throat the way that freebase vape juices have a tendency to . The Juul is a Nic salt vaping system, with disposable Nic salt carts. I tried the regular Vape mods a couple of years ago, that have the tank and the removable batteries and all that , and I quit smoking for a while but, for whatever reason I went back to smoking. I tried again with the Nic juice system and that worked better . It felt closer to ciggerette and it was a lot more simple of a system . the MTL systems have a smaller mouth piece that is closer to what a cigarette feels like as opposed to the big round mouthpieces on the vape mods.

After trying some of the disposable cart ones from the local vape shop I ended up with one of the ones that has a refillable pod instead of disposable carts, that way I don't have to worry about not being able to get the exact right cartridge . I have the Geekvape Aegis , selected just because that's what was in stock at my vape store. It's pretty durable and I don't have too many complaints about it , I've had it about 6 months. The nic salt systems can run at lower wattage because they have more nicotine in them , so the device won't use as much power and the juice lasts longer . I have read that you want .8 or higher coils for Nic salts because lower than that will be to harsh and strong. I am still figuring that out. this is a guide that I find somewhere. But I just noticed that the vape shop sold me the .6ohm coils the last time I was there and it's ok . I am running mine at 16 watts which I think is pretty low. The device I have is adjustable up to 40 watts.

0.6ohm Mesh: Harsher/Stronger Hit, can run Freebase Nic Juice effectively as well as Salt Nic, not 100% MTL (Mouth to Lung) coil.*

1.4ohm Regular: Smoother Hit, Nic Salt only, MTL only.

0.8 MTL Mesh: Pure MTL coil, Nic Salt only, middle ground between two original coils.

I don't know how the coils work with a disposable cart system . most of them don't have a function to adjust the wattage. And I am not sure how you replace the coils. maybe the coil comes as part of the cart.

as far as the Nic salt juice goes. The shop by my house has 20mg 30mg and 50mg. , I stick mostly with the 20mg, works fine for me .
one of my employees used the 50mg all the time and he had all these dramatic problems like withdrawls and overdoses. I'm not sure what the deal was but he's ok now.

I use the lowest MG because I sit and chain-smoke sometimes.

this is really helpful. thank you. it's all still pretty greek to me, but I know if I keep reading and learning, it'll click. it definitely helps to hear others' experiences. hopefully it will click soon lol

Posted: **Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:28 pm**

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:24 pm Except for a few times quit, a few months here, a couple years there, I've smoked all my adult life. Early last year I got a Smok Novo to use at work when I couldn't get outside for a smoke break. Over time I used the vape more and the cigs less and now I haven't had a cigarette for months. Maybe 5? Lost my smoker's cough and hardly ever have to use my inhaler now. The thought of a cigarette just sounds awful to me now.

that sounds wonderful. I'm looking forward to that day. I quit a long time ago for about 11 years! but dummy me started dating a smoker... it was all downhill from there. I'm ready. smoking is so gross.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:02 pm**

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:24 pm Except for a few times quit, a few months here, a couple years there, I've smoked all my adult life. Early last year I got a Smok Novo to use at work when I couldn't get outside for a smoke break. Over time I used the vape more and the cigs less and now I haven't had a cigarette for months. Maybe 5? Lost my smoker's cough and hardly ever have to use my inhaler now. The thought of a cigarette just sounds awful to me now.

I use the Smok Novo2 and I love mine. I have 2 actually. I keep one on the battery. None of the smoke shops near me carry either the pods for it or the vape juice I’m using. I’m praying that I can talk one of them into stocking it

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:16 pm**

MycatTimmy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:02 pm
herbalhippie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:24 pm Except for a few times quit, a few months here, a couple years there, I've smoked all my adult life. Early last year I got a Smok Novo to use at work when I couldn't get outside for a smoke break. Over time I used the vape more and the cigs less and now I haven't had a cigarette for months. Maybe 5? Lost my smoker's cough and hardly ever have to use my inhaler now. The thought of a cigarette just sounds awful to me now.

I use the Smok Novo2 and I love mine. I have 2 actually. I keep one on the battery. None of the smoke shops near me carry either the pods for it or the vape juice I’m using. I’m praying that I can talk one of them into stocking it

All of our shops here that carry vape supplies have the pods but no one has the juice I like anymore. Something to do with it needing to be certified in some way for WA. I ordered a bunch online.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:03 pm**

MycatTimmy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:02 pm
herbalhippie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:24 pm Except for a few times quit, a few months here, a couple years there, I've smoked all my adult life. Early last year I got a Smok Novo to use at work when I couldn't get outside for a smoke break. Over time I used the vape more and the cigs less and now I haven't had a cigarette for months. Maybe 5? Lost my smoker's cough and hardly ever have to use my inhaler now. The thought of a cigarette just sounds awful to me now.

I use the Smok Novo2 and I love mine. I have 2 actually. I keep one on the battery. None of the smoke shops near me carry either the pods for it or the vape juice I’m using. I’m praying that I can talk one of them into stocking it

I have a friend who works at a smoke shop. hopefully if there's something I need, she can help me get it. plan to decide soon here and stock up as much as I can.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:25 pm**

favorite places to buy supplies?

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:45 am**

Thanks for the breakdown. I've only ever used vapes found at gas stations and have wasted a lot of money on garbage!

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:01 am**

starshine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:25 pm favorite places to buy supplies?

I've only ever bought online once and that was from the Electric Tobacconist. Except for the juice now I can get replacement Novos and pods here in town. We have a lot of places that have vape supplies.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:15 pm**

Weren't vapes causing serious lung damage? Or was that just a certain kind? I could have sworn I read something about that in the past year or so.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:11 pm**

e_poison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:15 pm Weren't vapes causing serious lung damage? Or was that just a certain kind? I could have sworn I read something about that in the past year or so.

No. I am not going to look for sources right now. But an example of the tomfoolery that is going on: There was study at UC Berkley that studied the what kind chemicals were realized from a variety of vape products and a variety of temperatures. They were able to detect formaldehyde by burning certain vape juices at the highest temperature range involved in the study . Temperature ranges that no one in reality vapes at .

(look up UC Berkley vape study and you will see the flood of ridiculous headlines that omitted anything about what the study was actually about)

Healines declared. "UC BERKLEY FINDS DEADLY FORMALDyHyde FUMES IN VAPE SMOKE "
This is the headine from the daily mail . "Second-hand smoke from devices contain toxic chemicals that can irritate your eyes and skin".

After the flood of hysteric headlines two of the authors of the study issued a statement disputing the tone of the headlines and articles that their study actually showed that vaping was much safer than smoking because of the fact that it took them heating the juice to extreme temperatures before any toxic fumes were detected.

There was also a situation where people were black-marketing brand name CANNIBAS vape carts. These were causing health issues. I do not recall how severe or widespread they were. But the headlines and the articles never explained the actual situation. That the problem was caused by scammers making their own cannabis carts and trying to pass them off as respected cart vendors. - obviously using an inferior and dangerous process to make their scammer juice. Headlines at this time simply read "VAPING CAUsING LUNG DAMAGE"

It absolutely infuriates me . Evidence suggests that , while vaping might not be "safe" , it is about 90% safer than tobacco products. They do this thing about "The KIDS are vaping , we have to do something about this " How is that a problem ? That the group of kids who have smoked in the parking lot since 1946 are now using something that is 90% safer than cigarettes? What is the goal of the kids and vape hysteria ? To get those kids back on cigarettes like they were before ? There have been all these huge campaigns by various agencies to tell people how dangerous tobacco is and how they need to quit . And when 100s of thousands of people DO quit, for something much safer , then they launch a campaign against that? WT actual F . "Sorry adults who finally quit smoking. The stoner kids behind the school aren't smoking tobacco either - we're gonna shut it down."

This shit pisses me off . There are two developments in my life in the last 10 years that have absolutely and unquestionably raised my quality of life in ways that are almost miraculous. Kratom and Vaping . Smoking is a hard habit to quit. Everyone knows that. It's anecdotal, but I felt the changes in my own physiology dramatically and immediately . No more hacking in the morning , Spitting stuff up . AND , I could walk up stairs and run without running out of breathe.

It's the reason conspiracy theories catch on so quickly . A lot of times it looks like the powers that be are actively trying to kill us.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:30 pm**

e_poison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:15 pm Weren't vapes causing serious lung damage? Or was that just a certain kind? I could have sworn I read something about that in the past year or so.

'popcorn lung'

Posted: **Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:16 am**

e_poison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:15 pm Weren't vapes causing serious lung damage? Or was that just a certain kind? I could have sworn I read something about that in the past year or so.

I think it was Vitamin E that was filling up the lungs and people having issues. instead of banning vapes they should ban things that affect people negatively. So i would read the labels and watch out for Vitamin E.

Posted: **Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:44 am**

brave777 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:16 am
e_poison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:15 pm Weren't vapes causing serious lung damage? Or was that just a certain kind? I could have sworn I read something about that in the past year or so.
I think it was Vitamin E that was filling up the lungs and people having issues. instead of banning vapes they should ban things that affect people negatively. So i would read the labels and watch out for Vitamin E.

that's the information I've seen too. and, not positive, but pretty sure it was thc carts that were causing most of the issues. obviously, logically, it can't be good to put anything but good, clean, oxygen in our lungs. I'm hoping to switch to vaping and then taper down the nicotine to quit completely. I have several friends who've done this successfully... one was a 3 pack a day smoker

fingers crossed.

Posted: **Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:10 pm**

Vitamin E in pure cleanest form is extremely healthy for you like this product i use https://www.healthrangerstore.com/produ ... 0-softgels , but you can buy many carts that dont have vitamin E, be careful getting THC vape carts off the street because from what i understand all of it is cut down with not clean vitamin E and its not meant to be smoked, get it from many legit sites that says no Vitamin E oils in. And their is tons of company's that sell it. Anything off the street your running the risk long term damage, while short term you might get the buzz. You get the point. Starshine, vapeing E cigs do help, i remember i quit for a whole year just vaping and that was when i never met kratom before. So they do help. Just always research whats in yout carts, their are good and their is bad. Use brain to pick at all the ingredients to save you from future problems.

Posted: **Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:52 pm**

Just a bump for this thread, since vaping is how I quit smoking cigs. Bummer the FDA/govt. is all-but killing it (no more vape mail) in April. They wouldn't do that if we had universal healthcare (not trying to be political, just pointing out the dollars & cents of it).

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:29 am**

Please try with all your power to just wait. I quit for a month and did what you're taking about. Now I can't stop vaping. The moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep. My lungs are hurting and feel full now more then they ever did smoking. Constant chest Infections.

Posted: **Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:30 am**

I can't advise about vaping but I managed to quit using nicotine gum. It was so much easier than I feared, but then I was determined this would be the end of it. It's very affordable too. You get the oral satisfaction while at the same time adapting your hands to doing something besides the old ritual (there's a lot of 'ritual' with smoking, yeah?). I also carried a new pack of smokes in my bag wherever I went because I didn't want to feel panicky. I wanted that choice. I ended up smoking half of one and the rest remained in my bag for a solid year. That may be a bit much, though.
Quitting is wonderful because you'll enjoy a sense of freedom. I felt really empowered. Sometimes a goal like this takes a few tries before success. I believe you can do this

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:45 pm**

Ooh, just saw this thread. My father, who chain-smoked Newports for 40-odd years, switched to vaping five years ago and is almost entirely free of nicotine today. The mail ban in the US has made it much more difficult for him, because he had been ordering from a place that allowed him to choose the strength/amount of nicotine in each bottle of vape fluid (if this is normal I apologize, I've never smoked a day in my life so it's more or less gibberish to me) so he could slowly wean himself off, going to lower and lower amounts of nicotine every couple of months. The mail ban cut him off from his favorite vendor and put him to a more abrupt stop than is probably good for him - not that smoking is good, but I trust y'all know what I mean.

All that is to say, though, that he's yet another example that it's definitely possible to quit smoking through vaping. I think it depends heavily on willpower though. My father would get the urge to vape just as often as he smoked cigarettes, but was/is generally able to recognize it, go put his vape pen down and find something else to do. Often that meant lying down for a nap. He's retired so if he wants to nap in the middle of the day it's fine, but I imagine it would be a bit harder to deal with if you don't have that option. From what I'm told, distractions are key.

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:23 pm**

I love my Smoke Novo 2,I vape at 25mg salt and love blue razz and mint/menthol. Helped me quit a pack a day Marlboro menthol habit. Haven’t touched a cig in almost 3 years!!

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:07 pm**

Sanbutsushin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:45 pm My father would get the urge to vape just as often as he smoked cigarettes, but was/is generally able to recognize it, go put his vape pen down and find something else to do. .

Armchair theorizing here - but, when I first quit smoking and started vaping I noticed a change in the patterns of when I had urges. When I smoked cigerettes I ALWAYS needed one after dinner - even if that meant going outside in a snowstorm as it gets very cold here in the winter. When I started vaping I would vape in the car on the way home , but I found that after dinner my urge to stay warm overrode the urge to vape - It ended up that after the drive home from work I was pretty much good until the next morning - - --

Personally , I think its because tobacco companies add something else into the cigarettes to make them even MORE addictive , - I think that because vaping reduces the addictive substance to just one - nicotine , it's much more manageable .

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:08 pm**

First wanna say vaping is horrible for your health. Gonna catch flak, but it's no good and Fs up your lungs.

Second wanna say I liked it when I used a small MTL pod system for a month or two. (Pure nicotine in small amounts, less than a cig a day, gives brain stimulation and protection against dementia.) I'm a former smoker so I found the ritual very familiar and appealing. I stopped vaping after my parents protested, and of course, they were right.

Vaping is great to quit cigs and tons of people have done it, so I support vaping for that purpose and also in a general don't tell us what we can put in our bodies way, but the glycol in there is safe as a food additive only and shouldn't be in our lungs at all. I am also against the mailing ban on vape stuff as a principle; I wish there were companies making safe vape juice and I support flavored products and flavored cigarettes (Indonesian clove cigarettes once or twice a year are fantastic).

My 2cents.

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