Double M Herbals | Kratom Forum

I was reading through some of the other "Off Topic" posts and this question popped into my head... If marijuana was completely decriminalized on both a state and federal level today and employers could not use it as a basis for termination, would you continue to take kratom? Would you use both, or just stick to one?

Personally, I have found myself thinking on several occasions that I much prefer kratom over marijuana as a medicine. Kratom allows me to find relief from my issues without becoming "high" or inebriated in any manner. It simply lifts my spirits, mitigates pain and brings clarity to my thoughts. Marijuana does much the same, but in a completely different way. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel as if being under the influence of Marijuana is inherently inebriating... but there is a much more noticeable head change with weed as compared to kratom.

To answer the question though, personally, I would continue to take kratom as a medicine and resume the use of marijuana in a recreational manner (albeit with much less frequency than I used to). Having the freedom to use marijuana without fear of a random drug test would allow me to substitute marijuana in place of say, a couple of beers after work on a Friday night... Though, it does need to be mentioned that since I've start using kratom, my desire for alcohol has all but completely disappeared overnight.

So what are your thoughts, DoubleM?

edit for mod: I thought there was a way to add a poll to a post, but I can't find it now. Could you add a poll or let me know how to do it? Thanks!

Only admins and mods can create polls, but we do have a few members who we’ve given access. Remind me this weekend via PM and I will set your account to allow you to create polls.

To answer the question itself, I think I would just stick with kratom. When I was younger I enjoyed it but these days I don’t touch it. Plus it just makes me hungry and tired lol. I’m not even sure if we as a country are heading towards total legalization. There are some areas of the country that I feel will adamantly refuse to legalize it for a very long time, especially the Midwest and Bible Belt.

e_poison wrote:Only admins and mods can create polls, but we do have a few members who we’ve given access. Remind me this weekend via PM and I will set your account to allow you to create polls.

If I remember myself I will PM you about it tomorrow sometime. If it's a special permission, I don't need to be able to do it. I had seen polls on another post and just assumed I was missing it. I appreciate it!

e_poison wrote:I’m not even sure if we as a country are heading towards total legalization. There are some areas of the country that I feel will adamantly refuse to legalize it for a very long time, especially the Midwest and Bible Belt.

Yeah, I definitely agree... Though, in a theoretical sense it's an interesting thing to think about. Here in Ohio they've legalized it for medical use, but still no dispensaries have sprouted up locally. I'm not one to subscribe to the can-do-no-harm ideology. However, I think as long as alcohol is still legal, there is absolutely no legitimate reason that weed should be outlawed. Though I won't say that weed is always 100% harmless for every single person, I still stand by the fact that it's worlds less dangerous both statistically and realistically as compared to alcohol...

Then again, I tend to be on the side of "Let people make their own mistakes, lest it doesn't harm another person.". I'm a proponent of assisted suicide, and recreational drug use for individuals because I firmly believe that the government shouldn't have the power to control an individuals decisions. To outlaw something tends to only make it more desirable, and often times more dangerous to obtain for those who choose to seek it out. We as human beings should be able to do what we wish so long as it's not a danger to those around us... and I don't believe many would argue with the notion that natural selection seems to have become quite a bit more lenient with all of the safeguards we've put in place these past couple of generations... I don't think we need a warning label on everything that could possibly harm you, you should just know better than to sit on the ledge of the grand canyon or to drink from a bottle of bleach.

e_poison wrote:To answer the question itself, I think I would just stick with kratom. When I was younger I enjoyed it but these days I don’t touch it. Plus it just makes me hungry and tired lol. I’m not even sure if we as a country are heading towards total legalization. There are some areas of the country that I feel will adamantly refuse to legalize it for a very long time, especially the Midwest and Bible Belt.

Been a consumer of the herb for over 50 years but I've found that since taking up kratom, I only do it occassionally, and when I do...woWzA!
The combination is extraordinary!

Damn straight!

Missouri, same thing,be next ye ar before dispensaries open,,but I would use kratom,, and weed,,,not daily though,,I don't think, it depends, I don't know how medical weed and cbd oil work, as far as if there are different types for different health issues, if there's one for anxiety, then yes,,kratom takes care of the pain,,,helps with anxiety, pot seems to add to my anxiety, ,but if there's a medical weed for treating anxiety, then I would use both,I have acquired a liking to the taste of kratom, ,and for my pain issues,,I don't think any medical weed would work better than kratom, ,it's improved the quality of life tremendously for me,,,

I find cannabis to be wonderfully synergistic with kratom, and as far as I'm concerned, kratom and cannabis are as much a part of my daily routine as coffee.

I notice the interest here in other alternatives, in addition to kratom, so I'd like to take the opportunity to share some of my findings. Hopefully I can help a few others who may not have heard about CBD flower.

Since finding CBD flower, meaning smokeable industrial hemp bud, I've had relatively little interest in THC. I used to consume an awful lot in my youth, but like many folks, at some point it started causing anxiety and paranoia. Those negative feelings outweigh any pleasurable feelings or benefits for me, and I quit smoking for many years, except rare occasions.

Hemp is legally differentiated from marijuana by having very low THC content, so the psychoactive component is barely there, which means smoking or vaping the herb can again be enjoyable and beneficial.

CBD flower contains all of the other cannabinoids that contribute to what's called the "entourage effect", basically meaning that the full spectrum is more effective and beneficial than CBD "isolate" alone. Products you see advertised as "THC free" are made from isolate, and less effective than "full spectrum" products.

Hemp flower is as full spectrum as it gets, and very cost effective, typically ranging from $3-$10 per gram, and nice ounces of hand trimmed flower sell for $60-$100 from many good sources. The subreddit r/hempflowers is currently a great resource in my opinion.

This summer, I know at least one vendor is bringing a CBG flower to market, and there will likely be more. I'm excited to see what effects that will hold. If you dig herbs, we're living in extremely interesting times.

If my state goes recreational, I'll experiment with ratios of CBD to THC, for example mixing 80% CBD to 20% THC, but for now I'm really content with hemp. There's plenty going on in that arena to keep it interesting. And when you're dealing with small craft growers who vend their own products... There's way more transparency (and testing) than with kratom.

You don't have to wonder about IF it contains CBD, in many cases you can view breakdowns of not just cannabinoid profile, but terpene profile too, all laid out by percentage. You know what you're getting and can compare apples to apples. Whereas with kratom, we don't know if Red Bali from vendor A is the same as from vendor B, and whether it contains any detectable alkaloids... cannabis is very different and worth looking into.

I haven't used marijuana on a regular basis in decades. I did try some about a year ago when I was visiting someone who does partake. I wanted to see how kratom and marijuana worked together for me.

I didn't like the mix. It took away from the kratom effect but it was pleasant enough. I think if it were legal I might alternate a bit and I have been offered a medical prescription for marijuana but I declined. Given the huge price difference I'd probably use it only sparingly as kratom does help a lot with my pain.

Lots of varying opinions and views here, very interesting! Thanks for your input everyone, it's pretty fascinating to be honest. As I mentioned, I actually enjoy Kratom arguably more than cannabis... Granted, the two are wildly different and I enjoy both for different reasons.

Kratom gives me all the benefits that Marijuana does and then some, without feeling "high" and is much more cost effective than CBD. Though I feel I'd still use cannabis recreationally if the option was there.

I will definitely look into the hemp flower. That's very interesting to see-- I hadn't come across that as of yet. Thanks

There is a recreational dispensary 4 minutes from my house and I am still team kratom for life. I don't even like cannabis anymore.

I couldn't pick one. They're a great duo. Some days I prefer one more than the other. It was already mentioned before, but smoking can kind of kill the effects of kratom, especially after the first hour. I find smoking a small amount to be a great add on to kratom though. With reds I feel smoking is much better, but im more for energy and mood

Honestly I could care less for (THC)...

CBD and other non psychoactive cannabinoids on another hand well thats a diff story.
I Use CBD recreationally/ medicinally on my own to see if it can help with my anxiety or etc.

Honestly I’m not quite sure if it helps tbh??
It seems odd to me since I don’t feel any noticeable effects but that could be the fact that CBD is
Non-psychoactive*.
I already get Anxiety relief from Kratom but I have noticed maybe something subtle here and there from CBD.

Btw before I forget... Has anyone ever or still does, get irritable from CBD?!
The reason I ask is I’ve seemed to notice a slight irritation every now and then when I use CBD.
I’m not sure but it’s better for me to ASK and still feel super skeptical and almost discouraged about my own self questioning if it does. I mean shit my mind can really be a pos sometimes lol!
Anyway,

I used to use THC for a long time
(Or so it seemed)
I loved it and I obsessed over it
I had such extreme anxiety
Generalized ans social mostly Social Anxiety. Back when I was in High school!
I used it every day to cope with feeling dysfunctional and very uncomfortable on a daily BASIS. Pisses me off so much just thinking about how Alone I felt... it was a fucking lonely time.
THC and other parts of Cannabis really helped me but as time went on after 3 years of consecutive daily use my mental state of mind was pretty impaired.
My memory was crap
I felt disoriented a lot.*
At first THC and etc. helped my Anxiety
“Then after using it soo much”
Cannabis actually started to Cause Anxiety!

So I stopped for a year

Then on and off on and off
I am a Cannabis advocate but I dont use it other than CBD as Ive said. ^

I feel peculiar as it is and when I’m high on Cannabis idk why always intrigued me about THC for one but unless it is a pure Indica the potency or THC in general makes me feel so fking strange and almost worse believe it or not.
This
This is why I COULD CARE LESS.

Kratom is exactly what I have been looking for pretty much half of my entire life. Ever since I became a terrible mess from the end of 8th grade till up to last year almost about a year ago. I was always looking for something to help me cope
So many symptoms so much anguish
So much DISTRESS

DUDE
Thank God
For
Kratom

Kratom Has Saved My Life ! *



Oh,
and whether Cannabis being legal, illegal, decriminalized,
honestly I could care less (for my sake) I would still use it
or not use it!

I do believe Cannabis should be medically available absolutely
But I don’t find that it helps me right now in my life.
There is so much significance about Cannabis and I find it extremely fascinating tho.


All I care about right now is Kratom.

Of course. I hate weed/am allergic. I can’t even smell it from my neighbor withou getting hives! I also have chronic pain and nothing has managed to touch the pain except for some potent red strains from a variety of vendors. If I smoked pot, I would still be in pain, have anxiety, and be rashy and breathless. Lose-lose situation.

The essential oil Copaiba is formulaically similar/identical to CBD, so I can use a pipette to drop a few in a capsule, along with some olive oil, and if my body likes CBD, the Copaiba will tell me so.

WhiteAngelica wrote:The essential oil Copaiba is formulaically similar/identical to CBD

Coincidentally I just saw this in Whole Foods today! I wasn't crazy about the smell but was curious about what it was. So, for you, just putting it in a diffuser nearby has an effect?

Payshince wrote:Honestly I could care less for (THC)...

CBD and other non psychoactive cannabinoids on another hand well thats a diff story.
I Use CBD recreationally/ medicinally on my own to see if it can help with my anxiety or etc.

Honestly I’m not quite sure if it helps tbh??
It seems odd to me since I don’t feel any noticeable effects but that could be the fact that CBD is
Non-psychoactive*.
I already get Anxiety relief from Kratom but I have noticed maybe something subtle here and there from CBD.

Btw before I forget... Has anyone ever or still does, get irritable from CBD?!
The reason I ask is I’ve seemed to notice a slight irritation every now and then when I use CBD.
I’m not sure but it’s better for me to ASK and still feel super skeptical and almost discouraged about my own self questioning if it does. I mean shit my mind can really be a pos sometimes lol!
Anyway,

I used to use THC for a long time
(Or so it seemed)
I loved it and I obsessed over it
I had such extreme anxiety
Generalized ans social mostly Social Anxiety. Back when I was in High school!
I used it every day to cope with feeling dysfunctional and very uncomfortable on a daily BASIS. Pisses me off so much just thinking about how Alone I felt... it was a fucking lonely time.
THC and other parts of Cannabis really helped me but as time went on after 3 years of consecutive daily use my mental state of mind was pretty impaired.
My memory was crap
I felt disoriented a lot.*
At first THC and etc. helped my Anxiety
“Then after using it soo much”
Cannabis actually started to Cause Anxiety!

So I stopped for a year

Then on and off on and off
I am a Cannabis advocate but I dont use it other than CBD as Ive said. ^

I feel peculiar as it is and when I’m high on Cannabis idk why always intrigued me about THC for one but unless it is a pure Indica the potency or THC in general makes me feel so fking strange and almost worse believe it or not.
This
This is why I COULD CARE LESS.

Kratom is exactly what I have been looking for pretty much half of my entire life. Ever since I became a terrible mess from the end of 8th grade till up to last year almost about a year ago. I was always looking for something to help me cope
So many symptoms so much anguish
So much DISTRESS

DUDE
Thank God
For
Kratom

Kratom Has Saved My Life ! *



Oh,
and whether Cannabis being legal, illegal, decriminalized,
honestly I could care less (for my sake) I would still use it
or not use it!

I do believe Cannabis should be medically available absolutely
But I don’t find that it helps me right now in my life.
There is so much significance about Cannabis and I find it extremely fascinating tho.


All I care about right now is Kratom.

In regard to irritability and cannabis, I do think it might be a bit related. Personally, I love cbd and kratom. However, I have noticed bits of irritability, sometimes. For me, I think it is because of how much cbd is required for a therapeutic effect. I didn’t realize the difference for me until I got a water soluble full spectrum. It seems my body becomes irritable when I consume a lot of something that my body can only absorb a small amount of. I actually notice it with supplements and even kratom if I burn too close together. I don’t know if any of that makes sense. Just my experience. I still use the regular full sprectrum cbd as well because the taste is soooooo much better than the water soluble full spectrum that tastes like concentrated “chemicals”. I notice more of an effect together. I use marijuana once in a while, but only in conjunction with cbd. I am not a fan of thc, as it usually makes me feel sleepy and uncomfortable. However cbd, eliminates the psychoactive effect of thc.

Imo kratom is like coffee. Whether weed is legal or not. People are going to drink it.

Uncle Rick wrote:Imo kratom is like coffee. Whether weed is legal or not. People are going to drink it.

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. I was just curious in a therapeutic sense since I've always been the one to say "If weed was legal and I wouldn't be risking my job, I wouldn't drink another day in my life". However, that was before kratom came along and now I'm pretty sure even if it was legal, I wouldn't seek it out except on rare occasion or perhaps during tolerance breaks... but I figure it can't hurt to remember what it's like without it, kind of check in on myself, y' know? I think it's good to take breaks along the way, just to see how well you do on your own... At least in the case of mental illness and such, obviously chronic pain sufferers are most likely going to go right back to the pain... luckily, mental health can tend to see some improvement as positive coping skills and the realization of a normal life come into the picture. At least, that's what kratom does for me.... except it doesn't get me high in the same way that weed does, I think that's a good thing. All I ever wanted out of weed was some sense of normalcy, and that's exactly what kratom has given me... why go back to weed full time?