Gender changing

[IndelibleDotInk]

Hot topic, but just by browsing YouTube, I'm finding more people regretting getting various levels of sex changing than those who are happy and stable.

This one is by a fairly famous guy who wanted to look like a Kpop star and had a ton of surgery. He then wanted to feminize himself and had some surgeries to further that. Now he is coming out as regretting the surgeries and is a voice for not pushing people too hard at such a young age in the education system and learning to be comfortable being who you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKDbPkTcObE

[herbalhippie]

This is a VERY hot topic and I'd like to ask people to keep it civil and politics-free, lest the post get locked and stuck in Archives. Thank you.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Here's some more info on previously mentioned Oli London: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oli_London

He used to be a hyperfan of Korean boy band member Jimin, and had surgeries to look like him. I can't find the clip of him way back when he was young and in Korea with friends taking pics of him next to a Jimin poster, it's a big change from where he is now.

Now that Oli is older, I think he's pretty brave to talk about his detransition since both positive and negative opinions are so hot politically. He got roasted trying to look like Jimin, then feminizing his look, and now he's gonna get heat for detrans... He sure has grown as a person - instead of ditzy superfan, he's quite a good speaker and has a desire to help. As far as I can tell, he isn't against being transgender, but having reliable information and people who don't push an agenda at the young and vulnerable.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Saw some ads for a movie (not sure if documentary or based on a true story or just mostly a story... there was a short clip of one older man who became a woman, then back to man in real life).

[Voice_of_Morgulduin]

This one is by a fairly famous guy who wanted to look like a Kpop star

I think this part here shows that this person is not representative of trans people.

I would just like to add one thing to this discussion - Transgender youth are disproportionately affected by poor mental health outcomes, including an alarmingly high rate of attempted suicide, and Gender-affirming care correlates with a long term reduction in these poor mental health outcomes.

[IndelibleDotInk]

True, and the media is biased both ways, wanting to show the 'trainwrecks we can't look away from' and the heart tugging family unity.

I notice a lot of both sides in the media compare the way they were/are treated to mental health medications where parents and youth were pushed to take ritalin, lithium, other mental health drugs (i've been through it). Sometimes the Dr.s are taught pharmaceuticals are the way and to zealously push them. (Fortunately I have a good Dr.)

[Voice_of_Morgulduin]

True, and the media is biased both ways, wanting to show the 'trainwrecks we can't look away from' and the heart tugging family unity.

I notice a lot of both sides in the media compare the way they were/are treated to mental health medications where parents and youth were pushed to take ritalin, lithium, other mental health drugs (i've been through it). Sometimes the Dr.s are taught pharmaceuticals are the way and to zealously push them. (Fortunately I have a good Dr.)

I can appreciate the analogy but it in my mind it falls apart at a certain level. Amphetamines, lithium, ritalin, etc. All have on thing in common - they treat the symptoms of a disorder rather than the disorder itself, whereas Gender affirming care addresses the problem itself.

That said, Gender Affirming Care is NOT just the ability to go to a doctor and change sexes. It SHOULD be an interdisciplinary team - psychologist, pediatrician, social worker, surgeon, etc working together with the parents and the child to determine the best course of action.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I've seen cases where the 'gender dysphoria' (used to be considered a disorder, but now it is not) is not effectively treated by hormones all the way up to removal and reconstruction of the offending parts, even so the person wishes they had not had the radical surgery.

I've had friends who just had hormones and it didn't make their lives 100%, but it helped them get results, though society treats them hard.

And as for pharmaceutical drugs treating things like ADHD, bipolar, depression... they don't effectively for a large number of people, including me.

There's no magic bullet yet.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Also current info coming from UK and scandinavian countries do not show outstanding results, some coming from the patients themselves. (I will try to get more info and make it easy, clear, and fair, but you know how the left and right media like to spin things, and is there even a middleground anymore? Bad information is coming from every angle.)

I just wanted to add when kids get diagnosed with meds, a lot of times they are abused for recreation or study aids such as adderal,ritalin, benzodiazepines, etc. I mentioned that in my previous post, but wanted to make this more clear. The same can be said of pain meds... we have an opiod epidemic; if gender changing drugs have a side which can be marketed to others, that's an angle we have to consider.

By the way, my original stance on this is young children should not be pushed or allowed to change their gender, but adults should be free to do so. [When I was four, I announced I would marry my younger sister when we grew up (clearly did not know what marriage was, lol), and I would be a garbage man (dad took me outside once a week in the morning when they garbage men came so I could watch them), and I'd be a baker on weekends. My goals have changed somewhat, as children's do.] New data suggests there are different stages of gender reassignment, each with varying levels of success.

[Nelson Baboon]

Also current info coming from UK and scandinavian countries do not show outstanding results, some coming from the patients themselves. (I will try to get more info and make it easy, clear, and fair, but you know how the left and right media like to spin things, and is there even a middleground anymore? Bad information is coming from every angle.)

I just wanted to add when kids get diagnosed with meds, a lot of times they are abused for recreation or study aids such as adderal,ritalin, benzodiazepines, etc. I mentioned that in my previous post, but wanted to make this more clear. The same can be said of pain meds... we have an opiod epidemic; if gender changing drugs have a side which can be marketed to others, that's an angle we have to consider.

By the way, my original stance on this is young children should not be pushed or allowed to change their gender, but adults should be free to do so. [When I was four, I announced I would marry my younger sister when we grew up (clearly did not know what marriage was, lol), and I would be a garbage man (dad took me outside once a week in the morning when they garbage men came so I could watch them), and I'd be a baker on weekends. My goals have changed somewhat, as children's do.] New data suggests there are different stages of gender reassignment, each with varying levels of success.

when you say 'left media' you mean centrist corporate media.

[IndelibleDotInk]

when you say 'left media' you mean centrist corporate media.

No, I don't. I mean, 'left media.'

I don't know precisely what you mean by 'centrist corporate media,' but that doesn't sound any better.

Especially on this social, societal, medical, emotional topic which affects all age levels, parents vs children, and cultures, views are not just 'progressives,' 'integrationists/balancing,' 'pull all the stops.'

I don't want a debate, so 'that is all' on my end, quoting 'The Devil Wears Prada' / Meryl Streep. She's a great actress ... have you seen 'Doubt'?

[Nelson Baboon]

when you say 'left media' you mean centrist corporate media.

No, I don't. I mean, 'left media.'

I don't know precisely what you mean by 'centrist corporate media,' but that doesn't sound any better.

Especially on this social, societal, medical, emotional topic which affects all age levels, parents vs children, and cultures, views are not just 'progressives,' 'integrationists/balancing,' 'pull all the stops.'

I don't want a debate, so 'that is all' on my end, quoting 'The Devil Wears Prada' / Meryl Streep. She's a great actress ... have you seen 'Doubt'?

what i see from you is that you are trying very hard to bring up topics that are very politically oriented - sound of freedom and this. And when you start throwing around terms like 'left media', i'm not sure how to respond. Obviously they don't want political debates here, but 'left media' is rather a loaded term.

[herbalhippie]

Let's leave it at this, please.