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KratomAdvocateMO wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:07 pm I bought a split from Herbal RVA because i quit using them a long time ago when i went to smaller batch vendors but decided screw it im gonna check them out again and i must say i am really impressed. I usually order mitraman, denettes, fused etc. I ordered PMD, PMD2, Green JK, and Green Vietnam and almost every single one of them were a hit suprisingly. The Green Vietnam is one of the smoothest greens i have had in a while. Good energy but not pure speed, and the pain relief i gof from it was awesome. I give it a 8/10. The Green JK is almost the same but more energy, i can see alot of people loving this batch of green JK, the reviews on fb have been awesome, im just not a huge fan of faster leaf but if i was this is a solid 9/10. The PMD i got has a perfect balance of energy and relaxation. And it is also really potent. Id give it a 8.5/10. I know these numbers seem inflated but i promise you i am not new to kratom. Mind you this is all coming at a time where not alot of batches are hitting well for me. I thought i would share this because i dont see very many reviews on here like i used too. I hope i can help someone! Thanks guys!! I know its herbal rva and people have their opinions on whether the quality is as good as other smaller vendors but let me tell you. It most definetely is. Its almost like the leaf they are selling right now is actually leaf from last summer.

KurtisCards wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:32 am I think (if its still the same batch) pmd2 was better than pmd.

Ordered the Green Jong Kong hopefully its as good as they say it is

Lokey wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:53 pm I think I'm finally ordering cuz there's a sale and not sure how up to date all the labs are. Reviews seem everyone likes either PMD1 or PMD2 better so I couldn't decide ...

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 2:10 pm

Lokey wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:53 pm I think I'm finally ordering cuz there's a sale and not sure how up to date all the labs are. Reviews seem everyone likes either PMD1 or PMD2 better so I couldn't decide ...

There IS a Memorial Day Sale going, today, at Herbal RVA - Coupon Code: Memorial10 - ALL strains have a Lab Test posted right on the page. 10% OFF makes this Price for small batch, Lab tested kratom about the "Best Deal" you'll find anywhere... He doesn't do coupons very often. As far as "strains", check Labs on the White Borneo. and the Red Bali has potent Mitra, and 7Ohm is double compare to other strains. Of course PMD1 and PMD2. Coupon even works for $1 off the 3/10 Extract Caps which everyone should try!!

deep6x wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:04 pm I was kind of surprised that last time I visited the forum, I didn't see many Herbal RVA posts besides the one pointing out the lab results from PMD 1 and 2 and Red Bali a while back.
Ended up getting all 3 and very satisfied compared to the last few batches of kratom I have had.

Pulled the plug again on some Red Borneo, Green Aceh, White Borneo and PMD#2 again as well as the extract capsules which I know are also pretty good!

One of the biggest selling points for me is them being in the tri-state area and excellent shipping speeds mean I'll probably have the order within 24 hours. Can't beat it, even [company in the same state as me] has slower shipping because it has to go to drive by me an hour in the opposite direction just to get to the other hub (so convoluted).

Totomman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:42 pm

deep6x wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:04 pm I was kind of surprised that last time I visited the forum, I didn't see many Herbal RVA posts besides the one pointing out the lab results from PMD 1 and 2 and Red Bali a while back.
Ended up getting all 3 and very satisfied compared to the last few batches of kratom I have had.

Pulled the plug again on some Red Borneo, Green Aceh, White Borneo and PMD#2 again as well as the extract capsules which I know are also pretty good!

One of the biggest selling points for me is them being in the tri-state area and excellent shipping speeds mean I'll probably have the order within 24 hours. Can't beat it, even [company in the same state as me] has slower shipping because it has to go to drive by me an hour in the opposite direction just to get to the other hub (so convoluted).

Where are they shipping from

Totomman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:42 pm Where are they shipping from

Clever Coyote wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:54 am Hmmm......I've only ever ordered from MitraMan. Based on this decided to try RVA (same strains I get from MM) Premium MD, Red Bali & white borneo). Will absolutely leave a review of my findings. Used fast ship so it should be Tuesday.

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:51 am

Clever Coyote wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:54 am Hmmm......I've only ever ordered from MitraMan. Based on this decided to try RVA (same strains I get from MM) Premium MD, Red Bali & white borneo). Will absolutely leave a review of my findings. Used fast ship so it should be Tuesday.

But - just to reiterate things you should know - there are NOT the same strains. Just because something is named MD, or Red Bali or White Borneo from one vendor and another vendor uses the same names - completely different strains. To be even clearer - you order White Borneo from one vendor in March, and then re-order from them again in October and (if they are a good seller) it almost surely is not the same strain. Different harvest, different plants, different makeup.

Tongue wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:58 pm Is there still a sale going on? I’ve bought from rva before and it was good until it wasn’t but it’s been awhile and Kratom in general is so all over the place these days. Should I still buy from rva?

Tongue wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:58 pm Is there still a sale going on? I’ve bought from rva before and it was good until it wasn’t but it’s been awhile and Kratom in general is so all over the place these days. Should I still buy from rva?

Clever Coyote wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:54 am Hmmm......I've only ever ordered from MitraMan. Based on this decided to try RVA (same strains I get from MM) Premium MD, Red Bali & white borneo). Will absolutely leave a review of my findings. Used fast ship so it should be Tuesday.

Badgame85 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:22 pm

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:51 am

Clever Coyote wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:54 am Hmmm......I've only ever ordered from MitraMan. Based on this decided to try RVA (same strains I get from MM) Premium MD, Red Bali & white borneo). Will absolutely leave a review of my findings. Used fast ship so it should be Tuesday.

But - just to reiterate things you should know - there are NOT the same strains. Just because something is named MD, or Red Bali or White Borneo from one vendor and another vendor uses the same names - completely different strains. To be even clearer - you order White Borneo from one vendor in March, and then re-order from them again in October and (if they are a good seller) it almost surely is not the same strain. Different harvest, different plants, different makeup.

This should be a public service announcement posted at the top of the forums. Honestly I'm kind of surprised how many people believe these strains are the same from vendor to vendor, that the strains are harvested from the name they are called, and that if you get a good batch from your favorite vendor... when you come back 3 months later for more...its most definitely not the same.

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:17 am It's easy to get confused - even *I* get confused among my various strains (I have over 100). I pick up a bottle of capsules and it says the vendor name and the strain name and the strain name is what my mind latches onto. So I have to be careful I'm not thinking "hmm, I took a Malay yesterday - don't want to repeat that today" when it's completely different.

This is the reason I put my bottles in bins in a certain order so my mind doesn't even have to think past color (I have color indicators on the tops of all my bottles). Even color can be deceptive, though (so one vendor's white might give the same effects as another's red, and so on).

add to descartes wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:13 am

Badgame85 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:22 pm

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:51 am

honestly that's probably what I thought at the very beginning, but that was years ago, and there's been a huge improvement on kratom knowledge in the past few years. there certainly needs to be a kratom education online course or something, so people can get up to speed quickly, and not have to spend a long time slowly finding out the "truth" about strains through thousands of online posts over the years (not that anyone would actually take it, people never seem to read previous posts or search, and think they're asking this unique question no one has ever asked before, and thus the forum/sub continually gets the same questions every day)

Your so right! I remember when I first started I was in a bunch of FB groups regarding Kratom. There was an argument between the group over different strains having different leaf characteristics. Specifically it was regarding Red/Green/White Horn & Dragon strains and how these were real "strain" trees producing these specific strains. Someone even went as far as posting a picture of a alleged kratom leaf and indicated that the sharp corners and edges is how you identify this as a dragon/horn type of strain compared to the softer/rounder edges of say a Bali or Malay. "Super Green/Red/White strains came from "super" trees that produced extremely large leaves hence this is where that name came from. OMG.... for realz?


I was so new and I wanted it to make sense to me since every vendor had the same "strain" names. I thought it made sense that each vendor was getting their strains from a different strain tree thus separating themselves from other vendors for whom had the best trees.

add to descartes wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:13 am this is what makes me cringe when I see threads on Reddit that ask "what's your favorite strain?" people will reply that they like white maeng da the best, or that green bali doesn't work for them and green malay is superior, thinking every vendor's strains are the same.

honestly that's probably what I thought at the very beginning, but that was years ago, and there's been a huge improvement on kratom knowledge in the past few years. there certainly needs to be a kratom education online course or something, so people can get up to speed quickly, and not have to spend a long time slowly finding out the "truth" about strains ....

KurtisCards wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:32 am I think (if its still the same batch) pmd2 was better than pmd.

Ordered the Green Jong Kong hopefully its as good as they say it is

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:09 pm Wouldn't that have been the batch I got if I ordered in May? If so, I said it was great (posted here in this thread about it up above).

I can't tell you the batch number (doesn't show up on my order emails and after I make the capsules I throw away the packaging) but it was shipped on May 27th. (Also - reds don't as a rule work for me but this one did).

add to descartes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:18 am for anyone that has been buying RVA for awhile, do the current batches compare to the ones from a few years ago? i bought a few batches back in 18-19, and there were some good ones, but to me it seemed like their quality declined sometime around 19-20, and j just stopped trying them.

though at one point there were some amazing batches of pmd, pmd2, white big bang, red bali, etc.

KenMasters wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:35 am

add to descartes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:18 am for anyone that has been buying RVA for awhile, do the current batches compare to the ones from a few years ago? i bought a few batches back in 18-19, and there were some good ones, but to me it seemed like their quality declined sometime around 19-20, and j just stopped trying them.

though at one point there were some amazing batches of pmd, pmd2, white big bang, red bali, etc.

I didn't start until 2020 but I've ordered from Kraken, Bunny, Mitraman, RVA, and a few local places. The PMD2 is as good or better than anything I've tried. As of now, I trust that the lab work he posts with his products is legit. Did he post lab results in '19-'20?

KenMasters wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 pm The new batch of Red Bali (51322) seems very mediocre to me. I'm inclined to believe it's not as potent as the previous batch that everyone was hyping up, but I didn't try that batch. Hopefully RVA releases the data sheet on this new batch so we can see. Since there was no data on the newer batch I knew I was taking a chance. And I'm glad I only got 250g of it and filled the rest of the 4-way split with the PMD2.

Please report if the new Red Bali is effective for you. I am just giving my anecdotal experience. Kelleytoons said it worked great for him but he's not 100% sure he got the new batch.

The PMD2 is fantastic and I would highly recommend it. I will probably be mixing small amounts of the Red Bali into the PMD2 just to use it up.

TLDR: New Red Bali = 6/10. PMD2 = 10/10.

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:03 pm

KenMasters wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 pm The new batch of Red Bali (51322) seems very mediocre to me. I'm inclined to believe it's not as potent as the previous batch that everyone was hyping up, but I didn't try that batch. Hopefully RVA releases the data sheet on this new batch so we can see. Since there was no data on the newer batch I knew I was taking a chance. And I'm glad I only got 250g of it and filled the rest of the 4-way split with the PMD2.

Please report if the new Red Bali is effective for you. I am just giving my anecdotal experience. Kelleytoons said it worked great for him but he's not 100% sure he got the new batch.

The PMD2 is fantastic and I would highly recommend it. I will probably be mixing small amounts of the Red Bali into the PMD2 just to use it up.

TLDR: New Red Bali = 6/10. PMD2 = 10/10.

Yes, I really, really love the Red Bali and didn't get that much from the PMD2. I think it points out that it's a mysterious, personal chemistry at work...like I would have literally given the PMD2 a 6/10 and the Red Bali 10/10. I am wondering if the PMD (without the 2) would have hit me better.

But I'm living this Red Bali. Would love to hear other reviews of RVA strains of current....