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I just sampled the Alice blend in Red. This is the first time I’ve ever tried anything with an extract in it and I think I’m in love ! I know extracts can wreck your tolerance so I’ll be putting it away for special occasions. But the whole body warmth is incredible. Even my ears are warm and tingly.
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Wonderland gardens was one of my first vendors years back and I still enjoy some of their enhanced blends. They not only enhance leaf with isolates or extracts, they add other herbs to receive a full experience. Very knowledgeable guys. Try the green Batak!

I know this thread is old but just received my 1st order from them and before I even received it placed a 2nd order due to all the hype on Reddit, so mad at myself for spending so much because I hate shipping charges so ordered to make the $88 minimum. I'm not experienced with extracts at all and they sent a sample of Shamrock 22 which has Green Jong Kong, 50x green extract, green isolate. 27-something green + 62% mit + misc extract blend! Have no idea how much to try but I need relief very badly due to expensive things going wrong with my home, not feeling well and being waaaaay too busy at work. I also got a sample of the new green nano x2 which I ordered in my 2nd order and yellow and green isolate in addition to the other powders I bought and honey stix and green kava! Any suggestions on serving size for the Shamrock? I just recently had 2.5g of Lucky's green MD and a honey stix which is 15mg. I think I was going to order the enhanced green Batak but didn't yet... also what is difference between regular extract and isolate?

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:06 pm Any suggestions on serving size for the Shamrock?

suggestion is... Do The Math!!

All the BS about Extracts affecting tolerance, is from the "old style" 50X type Extract products, which never gave the % alkaloids or actual content per serving per bottle. Never buy any Extract without at least a Statement from vendor on alkaloids... From there, it's pretty easy to figure % Mitragynine % content in milligrams and compare to your standard serving size.

The "Shamrock Blend" sounds like old-style 50X where you got NO IDEA what's in the goddamn product - PASS - Marketing, gets a bit ridiculous w/ cartoon bunny rabbits etc... However some of their extracts DO at least state percentage alks for example their 38% orange color powder, that's = 380 mg per Gram... it's very good!! What's your regular kratom Serving ? Lets say 3 grams ? Then you are USED to taking 45 mg Mitra. So you'd better only take One TENTH of 1 Gram of that Extract, along with 1 gram plain powder. Always take extract WITH a gram of plain powder.

You say 62% Mit ?? Or is that 62 % Alkaloids TOTAL ? Yes... you NEED to get a Digital Scale - Wonderland has SO many damn products & blends & kitchen table stuff they're all over the place... Stick to their Lab Tested products imo , unless you enjoy like casual druggie habits with no idea what you're putting in your body... Then go ahead just experiment away... lol

My normal dose is 5g. I have 3 digital scales and although I excelled in math in high school this is too confusing for my old fried brain, especially something like the Shamrock trainwreck. But it still could be amazing. What I wrote is copied from the label.

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:15 pm My normal dose is 5g. I have 3 digital scales and although I excelled in math in high school this is too confusing for my old fried brain, especially something like the Shamrock trainwreck. But it still could be amazing. What I wrote is copied from the label.

As Balls said start low. 1/10th of 1 gram is what I do with extracts. No effect, then do 2/10ths. And so on. I made the mistake of not taking an extract seriously and it woooped my ass. Lol. It was crazy. Take care

Roofdog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:52 am

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:15 pm My normal dose is 5g. I have 3 digital scales and although I excelled in math in high school this is too confusing for my old fried brain, especially something like the Shamrock trainwreck. But it still could be amazing. What I wrote is copied from the label.

As Balls said start low. 1/10th of 1 gram is what I do with extracts. No effect, then do 2/10ths. And so on. I made the mistake of not taking an extract seriously and it woooped my ass. Lol. It was crazy. Take care

Thank you, I appreciate that. I tried .1 g of yellow isolate last night, didn't really notice anything, so far any time I tried extracts don't really notice much, must be pretty subtle.

I ordered their sampler pack and a little extract. Honestly the powder is meh. Like it kept me from getting wds but i didnt feel much from it. Green malay and white banjo is what i got, plus %44 extract. That stuff was very nice, like real nice. I honestly wouldn't get their leaf again. I also don't believe I am a highly knowledgable extract user, so i do blow my T out with them. I'm learning how to balance. For now though, i will stick to plain leaf and theirs is not it.

Hoping someone could give me advice on dosage for their extracts. I’ve fallen off buying good quality kratom and have been taking MIT 45 shots for awhile. Sick of extracts and want to lower my tolerance but it’s so hard to measure out doses with those tiny shot bottles so I’m switching to powder and then cutting back until I’m on plain leaf again.

I picked up 10g of Wonderlands 38% extract after the rave reviews but I’m so confused about how much I should take to replace my MIT dosage. I’m pretty sure MIT45 is advertised as the equivalent of 14g of plain leaf so I’m using that as a starting point. I *think* the math works out that every 0.1g of the 38% is 2g of plain leaf, so I am think 0.7g would be an equivalent dose, but I’m scared of taking too much. Any thoughts from those that have taken it?

My plan was to start with 0.3 or 0.4 and go up depending on the effects.

Note: I recognize that it’s very inexact science trying to convert extracts to plain leaf and they aren’t the same but I’m using plain leaf as a basis of comparison so I can maintain my current tolerance and then slowly cut back to eventually stop taking extracts.

Edit: also I don’t have my scale anymore and just ordered a new one but for now does anyone know what sizes are on the scooper they provide? There’s a larger and a smaller scoop

Edit edit: I saw someone else saying that 0.3 would likely equal 14g of plain leaf so maybe I’ll start smaller and work my way up

I have the 38% tiny scooper and about 5 scoops weighed only .05g so I asked if that's correct, that 10 scoops should weigh about .1

Didn't get an answer and I can't judge by looking at the size of the dose because I have zero experience with powder extract but I did use the little scoop and I did weigh it on a scale.

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:10 pm I have the 38% tiny scooper and about 5 scoops weighed only .05g so I asked if that's correct, that 10 scoops should weigh about .1

Didn't get an answer and I can't judge by looking at the size of the dose because I have zero experience with powder extract but I did use the little scoop and I did weigh it on a scale.

Interesting. So to take 0.3g I’d need 30 of the little scoops?

demafrost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:30 pm

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:10 pm I have the 38% tiny scooper and about 5 scoops weighed only .05g so I asked if that's correct, that 10 scoops should weigh about .1

Didn't get an answer and I can't judge by looking at the size of the dose because I have zero experience with powder extract but I did use the little scoop and I did weigh it on a scale.

Interesting. So to take 0.3g I’d need 30 of the little scoops?

That's what it seemed like. I could try measuring again with more level scoops.
Just did another weigh in trying to do level scoops, kinda messy, put 10 in an oblate that weighs .08 and it weighs .23 which is .15.

Second test with another oblate that weighs .07: weighed same .23 or .16 didn't worry so much if it was level or not so it looks like 10 scoops is about .15.

Third test with 6 scoops, .17 - .08 = .09 so almost .1

I'm just going to add a couple grams powder to each oblate.

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:26 pm

demafrost wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:30 pm

Lokey wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:10 pm I have the 38% tiny scooper and about 5 scoops weighed only .05g so I asked if that's correct, that 10 scoops should weigh about .1

Didn't get an answer and I can't judge by looking at the size of the dose because I have zero experience with powder extract but I did use the little scoop and I did weigh it on a scale.

Interesting. So to take 0.3g I’d need 30 of the little scoops?

That's what it seemed like. I could try measuring again with more level scoops.
Just did another weigh in trying to do level scoops, kinda messy, put 10 in an oblate that weighs .08 and it weighs .23 which is .15.

Second test with another oblate that weighs .07: weighed same .23 or .16 didn't worry so much if it was level or not so it looks like 10 scoops is about .15.

Third test with 6 scoops, .17 - .08 = .09 so almost .1

I'm just going to add a couple grams powder to each oblate.

So maybe closer to 20 scoops to get 0.3? Interesting. I’ll play it by feel. Thanks for testing all that out

YW, this was the very tiny scoop the little jar came with. I'm not good at figuring milligrams per serving or how many grams a certain amount of extract equals in regular leaf, just not straight in my head lol

I didn't realize the scooper has 2 ends, the tiny one is so small I couldn't even tell it was a scooper and I used the bigger end. The 38% is on sale half price right now, I only got 1 gram.

Lokey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:44 am this was the very tiny scoop the little jar came with. I'm not good at figuring milligrams per serving or how many grams a certain amount of extract equals in regular leaf,..

Get a digital Milligram Scale = around $12 on Amazon. . idk I didn't get any tiny scoop from WG, but it's important to be accurate, otherwise just stick to plain leaf -

I see customers on their Facebook just stick a table spoon into bag of Extract, NO idea of how much they're taking just dopers looking for a high... dumb to overdose huge amounts like that.

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:16 pm

Lokey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:44 am this was the very tiny scoop the little jar came with. I'm not good at figuring milligrams per serving or how many grams a certain amount of extract equals in regular leaf,..

Get a digital Milligram Scale = around $12 on Amazon. . idk I didn't get any tiny scoop from WG, but it's important to be accurate, otherwise just stick to plain leaf -

I see customers on their Facebook just stick a table spoon into bag of Extract, NO idea of how much they're taking just dopers looking for a high... dumb to overdose huge amounts like that.

I do use a scale, I weigh everything, I was using the little scoop to count approx. how many scoops = .1g

I just don't have all the math straight in my head as far as adding .15 of 38% extract to 2 grams of regular powder but I had that this morning and it was fine. Not great, not bad, but all was OK.

It's cool - You could weigh the scoop & hit the "Tare" button on scale & then it works better...

This Wonderland 38% stuff IS excellent, and it has the "FIrst Timer" Effect, like so many substances NEW to your system - First time I did a .20 gram and was completely floored. Such a huge BUZZ... Since then, it's still damn good (I enjoy it maybe once a week?) but I can do .20 now... Long legs too. It's also the most water soluble, compared to MOST of their Extract - these are oil based products. idk the proper chemistry but, some leave like little tar balls in your Tea cup. Sticks to your spoon.

Some of the Crystal Extract products ? (Some are Imported.), have like a Motor Oil Tar BASE or something... like WTF ? NON digest-ible - Seems like a totally UN natural chemistry project. Like who wants, a BALL of plastic, getting stuck in their Colon ? Then 5 years later discover you've got a Tumor there ?

I've been sampling some extract over the past few weeks as well, so far my favorites are the Wonderland 38% (I hate their marketing/plain leaf samples they sent seem really bad) and ANA's Premium Emerald. The other ANA high mit extracts are good too but the price point is too high. Wonderland 38% and ANA Premium Emerald seem to have similar alkaloid profiles (high 7-OHM)/that's probably has something to do with why I like them best. I got some crystal extract from Okie's but am scared to try it for reasons Balls said above. I'm probably not going to order from Wonderland again as I don't want to keep giving them business but their 38% extract is pretty good.

Lokey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:36 pm

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:16 pm

Lokey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:44 am this was the very tiny scoop the little jar came with. I'm not good at figuring milligrams per serving or how many grams a certain amount of extract equals in regular leaf,..

Get a digital Milligram Scale = around $12 on Amazon. . idk I didn't get any tiny scoop from WG, but it's important to be accurate, otherwise just stick to plain leaf -

I see customers on their Facebook just stick a table spoon into bag of Extract, NO idea of how much they're taking just dopers looking for a high... dumb to overdose huge amounts like that.

I do use a scale, I weigh everything, I was using the little scoop to count approx. how many scoops = .1g

I just don't have all the math straight in my head as far as adding .15 of 38% extract to 2 grams of regular powder but I had that this morning and it was fine. Not great, not bad, but all was OK.

I feel like the bigger side of their cute tiny scoop is around .03-.06 depending on level. But could be way off. My scale isn't super accurate that small so I just put a heavier thing on and do the mathssss.

Okay I didn’t really read the comments but I checked this site out a good while ago, and was really impressed by the extract they were selling. It’s rare for a site to get my stamp of approval on extracts because most execute it so poorly usually. Now I have yet to try them but they have all the things I look for in extracts. Now it everything is legit which I think it’s is I would say they could rival even Ana with the price, and selection of extracts to choose from. Honestly they have even more selection than Ana so who knows after I try them I might have a new favorite. This is all without mentioning the well price various herbal products that are available to purchase that are very hard to find all in the same place. Now I checked the site out a while ago, and meant to make a review after I tried them but after see if already mentioned I thought I would give my first impressions. I will be ordering a mixed batch of extracts, and various herbal products to try definitely. I honestly could see this being a one stop shop for many. Though I will save my final thoughts for after I try them.

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