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I like green and red sumpur with honorable mention to super green sunda.

What did you like???

30 year wild white was some of the best leaf I have had. The 30 year wild TFH was very good quality as well. I have stayed away from whites up until I got that tester. Definitely opened my eyes to what I was missing out on

The 30 year Wild White....so Far...

KraytomorKraatom? wrote:30 year wild white was some of the best leaf I have had. The 30 year wild TFH was very good quality as well. I have stayed away from whites up until I got that tester. Definitely opened my eyes to what I was missing out on

You have my attention. What is this strain like?

I have stayed away from all whites but the slowest because fast strains just make me feel jittery and horrible. which kind of surprises me because as an experimenting teenager in the early 70s stimulants were my very favorite.

Herbal hippie , wild white was great I had a sample. If you like a fast green you maybe like it. It has energy but without jitters and finished really smooth , I'm going to get that as a split option

Maybe it's time to try a fast strain.

HH I used to stay away from most whites myself up until recently as I've had a couple of great ones that are actually changing my mind.

That 30 year wild TFH is one of them that I got a sample of with my last order and I was very hesitant to try it until I saw a bunch of different people raving about how great it is. It has a very uplifting and smooth energy with clarity to it for me. I have really enjoyed adding it somewhere between 1/4-1/2 of my dose usually with a lower mid spec or slower green or red. No jitters at all with a great mood and desire to get up and get some stuff done. I've got a lot of slower leaf so it's been nice to add a little more pep to some of my morning burns.

The Wild Harvest Indo is exquisite, IMO. A "daytime red" with no equal, though the Super Red Sunda has been close on a few burns.

Wild Premium Kali is another gem.

Can I say almost all of them?
I really enjoy the 30 year wild red and green. Also the 30 year wild white is incredible. For extra points blend it with the red!
The new super red sunda is awesome as well.
The one I keep coming back to is the green MD that was available around thanksgiving. It is the best green MD I have ever had. It is energetic without being edgy.
The newer super green kali is great also. I have yet to try the slow green, but I’m sure it’s a winner!

Honestly I haven’t been disappointed in any of them. A few didn’t hit right until I tried a couple times though, so don’t give up!

herbalhippie wrote:

KraytomorKraatom? wrote:30 year wild white was some of the best leaf I have had. The 30 year wild TFH was very good quality as well. I have stayed away from whites up until I got that tester. Definitely opened my eyes to what I was missing out on

You have my attention. What is this strain like?

I have stayed away from all whites but the slowest because fast strains just make me feel jittery and horrible. which kind of surprises me because as an experimenting teenager in the early 70s stimulants were my very favorite.

I have stuck with yellows, golds, reds and bents because I dont like uppers in general. This is the first white I have tried. Not sure if I had the wrong idea of what "fast" kratom is. Or if the 30 year wild white is slower. I would describe it as energizing but not speedy. More warm and fuzzy. No jitters at all. Exactly what I'm looking for out of my leaf. Makes me wonder what other gems I have missed out on in my "white prejudice" lol. Grateful TFH included the sample. Opened me up to a whole new Avenue. I would give it a try. I dont think you will be disappointed

30yr super green has been my favorite. Mid fast with some solid mood lift.

White Kali Sub 2 was also an excellent smooth, smooth mid to mid-slow white. Different than my normal taste, but very good. Sub 1 was very similar.

I really liked the wild red hulu kapuas ir2 also. A strong happy mid red, best red I tried from them.

I think the common thread that you will find is everyone's favorites are a little different. By far the most common questions I get during these events are "What are your best strains", or "Which strains are the most potent".

What we always tell our new members is that we have done the hard work for you in ensuring that everything that makes our menu is of quality... and you can take that to the bank. At that point, it's not so much a matter of "which are better" because they are all of great quality. If you want the "wow factor", its all about finding the batches that best match your body chemistry and personal preferences.

Over time we have learned that just having high-quality menu items isn't the only ingredient to ensure everyone is pleased. Let's take our 30 Year Wild White TFH for example - everyone seems to be buying this because many folks got it as a sample during our Thanksgiving event (Just an FYI - everyone is completely overlooking White Elephant Hulu and Wild White Hulu... two AWESOME whites). I bet if we asked 80-85% of folks who have tried it, they would say its fantastic (and that is a pretty high consensus for a kratom batch. However, I would guarantee that a handful of people will also chime in and say "I dont get it... I got absolutely nothing from it" (like the person who scored it a "3" on a survey submission today).

This year we have really been working to figure out this whole "body chemistry" component. In my opinion, this is the next big step in giving the ultimate customer experience to our members. Many of you who have done testing for us think you are just helping us sort out the "good batched" from the "bad" (you are), but our major areas of research are on the effects of pre/post variable processes and developing our library of "preference profiles". The data we gather allows us to make more intelligent batch recommendations for our members - analytics is a beautiful thing when it's applied to kratom. By no means is it a perfect tool, but I can absolutely tell you that once we have a robust profile built for you, we can most likely do a better job selecting batches for you than you can

With that said - if you ever need the motivation to complete those private online surveys I am always bugging for - there is your motivation. I really do believe that what we are working on has the potential to significantly reduce the number of "less than stellar" purchases. Think about how much money we could all save if say 75% of everything you ordered was just what you were looking for. Who knows, maybe we can get that to 90% one day (one can dream).

My goal from day one of getting into this industry was to learn how we can make the days of "kratom roulette" a thing of the past. Advanced tree care and processing techniques have gotten us far, but I believe the future ultimate experience is solving this body chemistry hurdle. I hope to one day be able to serve this community at a larger scale - when that day comes, the folks who provided the most data will be the first ones invited to the party Please submit those surveys

You are an amazing member to our community Chris. Imo the most valuable in this business. Thanks for all you do and happy holidays. I’m puttin bets on 2020 being a big year with many revelations for you !

update.....the tracking on my package said it would be here tommorrow but now it says....TODAY..!?! AND I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN!?!

Motherf er!!!!!

So, Gumbyke, should we be filling out surveys for everything we got, even if it wasn't a sample?

I tend to think that we all like different things about Kratom and we're all just saying it's "good" when it has the effects we're looking for. "Pain" is an interesting case in point. A lot of people take Kratom for pain, so when they find a pain-killing strain, they might give it a 10 — solely on the basis of its pain-killing properties. I couldn't care less about a strains analgesic properties. I take Kratom to help me get work done, or for a "rush" of euphoria; I'd give something an 8 or higher if it let me bang out some boring work for 4+ hours uninterrupted or it gives me the classical opiate rush of euphoria. I'd reserve a 10 for something that did both (like the Green Maeng Da AM1).

Edit: Never mind! I went back to the e-mail you sent confirming my order and you indeed said to fill it out for everything. I just sent in my review of the GMD. I'll get to the rest at some point!

ArchaicNeologism wrote:So, Gumbyke, should we be filling out surveys for everything we got, even if it wasn't a sample?

I tend to think that we all like different things about Kratom and we're all just saying it's "good" when it has the effects we're looking for. "Pain" is an interesting case in point. A lot of people take Kratom for pain, so when they find a pain-killing strain, they might give it a 10 — solely on the basis of its pain-killing properties. I couldn't care less about a strains analgesic properties. I take Kratom to help me get work done, or for a "rush" of euphoria; I'd give something an 8 or higher if it let me bang out some boring work for 4+ hours uninterrupted or it gives me the classical opiate rush of euphoria. I'd reserve a 10 for something that did both (like the Green Maeng Da AM1).

Not the one you're asking but at the bottom of the survey there is a box you could fill out exactly what the batch did for you personally.

gumbyke1 wrote:"What are your best strains", or "Which strains are the most potent".

What we always tell our new members is that we have done the hard work for you in ensuring that everything that makes our menu is of quality... and you can take that to the bank. At that point, it's not so much a matter of "which are better" because they are all of great quality. If you want the "wow factor", its all about finding the batches that best match your body chemistry and personal preferences.

I'd have to agree.. Across The Board: TFH offers a top quality selection!

As far as personal WoW factor.. doesn't that change, from day to day? We get strong "burns" or effects, based on many factors... How was your sleep last night? What did we have for breakfast, and when? How long since last meal. Et cetera... there is ALWAYS a Bottom Line however: Kratom is Kratom. This constant search for "stronger" kratom, only goes so far...

It's easy to PROVE, that our internal tolerance controls much of our effects = Simply take 2 days OFF! Take a 2-day break (either cold turkey OR after a slow taper.) Then... on the 3rd day, take a Low to average size serving.. of some "Good Average Kratom". BOOM! The Magic is back.. this has worked for me, over and over. Including some 2-day breaks forced on me, by illness or hospital.

Vendor wise.. TFH = about as good as it gets. Proven history buying & importing kratom. Deals with multiple Indo sources. Vacuum packs. Uses a novel Consumer Testing program, to screen for quality - That goes much further, than 90% of other vendors. And, I should point out.. Gumby doesn't have a website (yet) and prices are reasonable, so, obviously not doing this, just for profit.. ALL these - together, give you a better chance of receiving quality product!

Oh i didnt know you can submit regular orders to survey, i ll try that from now on.. i got so much samples from different vendors, recently my time between dose is like 6 hours since i am excited to try everything... It might mess up my true judgment but i will try as best to describe it. gumby hopefully starting next year i ll be able to knock out all of the samples for you. So much fun, i need to take like 2-3 days offs for sure but not going to do it this year. Best advice if anyone doing survey to have your notepad open, after sample dose, like 2-3 hours in write how you feel. because its easy to forget once your on some other strain.

By the way Gumby i love how some bags are vacuumed packed, not all of them but half the orders.. Makes me confident to leave it for long time in storage and not worry about anything if have too... Feels and looks very good when its nicely tight. It be a huge plus if all vendors did that, i am sure that's extra work but that just shows how much each vendor cares for its own products.

I've grown to really like the blends.. especially from smiley time herbals.. they have super unique blends.. one in particular I got was called monster mash (full spectrum) so you get a little bit of everything and it's a truly unique experience..I feel as though someone like me who is a fairly heavy (maybe not in everyone's eyes) but 7g is my burn 3 sometimes 4 times a day..I stopped getting the "special" effects of Kratom.. then one day ordered orange glow, secret smile, and monster mash from smiley time and something about those blends reunited my love with Kratom again.. literally took me by surprise the effects all of those blends had..monster mash.. slightly "speedy" yet a euphoric speedy..not jittery.. a "wow" feeling.. orange glow I haven't dabbed into yet.. but I'll let everyone know my results.. and secret smile I burned about 30 minutes ago and it's really impressive.. got a positive outlook and feel that "excited" feeling in my stomach we all crave.. so.. not a regular poster on here.. I'm brand new.. but like this forum and wanted to contribute. Hope I remained within community guidelines..thanks everyone..

BallzDeep9 wrote:

gumbyke1 wrote:"What are your best strains", or "Which strains are the most potent".

What we always tell our new members is that we have done the hard work for you in ensuring that everything that makes our menu is of quality... and you can take that to the bank. At that point, it's not so much a matter of "which are better" because they are all of great quality. If you want the "wow factor", its all about finding the batches that best match your body chemistry and personal preferences.

I'd have to agree.. Across The Board: TFH offers a top quality selection!

As far as personal WoW factor.. doesn't that change, from day to day? We get strong "burns" or effects, based on many factors... How was your sleep last night? What did we have for breakfast, and when? How long since last meal. Et cetera... there is ALWAYS a Bottom Line however: Kratom is Kratom. This constant search for "stronger" kratom, only goes so far...

It's easy to PROVE, that our internal tolerance controls much of our effects = Simply take 2 days OFF! Take a 2-day break (either cold turkey OR after a slow taper.) Then... on the 3rd day, take a Low to average size serving.. of some "Good Average Kratom". BOOM! The Magic is back.. this has worked for me, over and over. Including some 2-day breaks forced on me, by illness or hospital.

Vendor wise.. TFH = about as good as it gets. Proven history buying & importing kratom. Deals with multiple Indo sources. Vacuum packs. Uses a novel Consumer Testing program, to screen for quality - That goes much further, than 90% of other vendors. And, I should point out.. Gumby doesn't have a website (yet) and prices are reasonable, so, obviously not doing this, just for profit.. ALL these - together, give you a better chance of receiving quality product!

Thanks for the support Ballz! That means a lot coming from a veteran like you! Cheers!

So far the Super Green Supreme has been effective for me. I've been Testing the 30-year Wild White and no luck. Im going to test it one more time before submitting a survey just to be sure. Love an effective white when I can find it!

Most strains I try have been misses, but there's so much I haven't tried.

gumbyke1 wrote: My goal from day one of getting into this industry was to learn how we can make the days of "kratom roulette" a thing of the past. Advanced tree care and processing techniques have gotten us far, but I believe the future ultimate experience is solving this body chemistry hurdle.

Its been a roulette for sure. but Its one that you make worth playing.

So far, my two favorites are the super green Bali (for some reason, I like how that one tastes even) for it's nice green onset and as it starts to wear off, its red effect, and the super green supreme. just because it hits hard and has a fast feel that I enjoy.

I have 3 consistent TFH favorites and I discovered all 3 while testing batches for Gumby.

1. Wild Harvest Indo -Muk-1 - I tested this batch during the Summer (July I believe) and it knocked my socks off back then. I was so excited to see it available on the menu during the Thanksgiving event (4 months later). For me this batch is stimulating with a unique, euphoric mood boost, good pain releif and good legs. I can dose 4gs of this in the morning to start my day if so desired. I put most of this batch away in the vault to be used on special occasions.

2. Green Elephant Hulu - A2 - another mind blower. This one is a mid-spec leaning fast in my experience. The euphoric mood boost has yet to disappoint and the extra "pick me up" does wonders for me after a long day at work where I need to keep going and knock out some of the honey-do list at the end of the day. A very happy and enjoyable aroma every time.

3. Red Elephant Hulu - A2 - very similar to the GEH but slightly more relaxed. Both have similar stimulating properties with me. The Red feels more like a chill on the couch and have a great conversation batch vs the green's get up and go feel. Amazing products

I highly recommend getting on board with Gumby's test program if possible. Hang on to the bags and/or take notes regarding what works best for you. Hopefully TFH will continue to host special events similar to the Thanksgiving and Christmas DoubleM Opennings moving forward. The testing helps me take some of the guess work out of the buying decision as well as providing TFH with the data they need to serve us better. Thank you TFH!

guitartodd77 wrote:Hopefully TFH will continue to host special events similar to the Thanksgiving and Christmas DoubleM Opennings moving forward. The testing helps me take some of the guess work out of the buying decision as well as providing TFH with the data they need to serve us better. Thank you TFH!

I feel the same, i will go trough the samples and take notes, perhaps when another event comes i ll know exactly what to get. I just wish i started doing sample testing earlier to help out with my choice. Would gave me heads up from the start at same time help gumpy with data. I am excited to try some unopened gems. I have a buddy, i let him try few strains and he was knocked out, said some of the best kratom he had.

I really like the 30 year wild slow green (coarse stuff) and the chocolate bent.

Thekid1420 wrote:I really like the 30 year wild slow green (coarse stuff) and the chocolate bent.

Both of those are on my list for my next purchase. I'm really looking forward to those two in particular. Thanks!

Red Sumpur M5 is fantastic. Just seems to be growing on me more and more.. it may be my favorite strain ever.

I love that I can take it in the morning or at night... there’s never a bad time for feeling amazing.

Celestial-Oceanic wrote:The Wild Harvest Indo is exquisite, IMO. A "daytime red" with no equal, though the Super Red Sunda has been close on a few burns.

Wild Premium Kali is another gem.

I would agree with you about the Wild harvest indo, would give it an 9/10. (Faster red, gives a warm feeling as well)

I love both the wild red indo and the super red sunda. Another great one is the 30 year wild red. The 30 year hangat Suma is very nice but I’m still figuring that one out.

I have only tried 2 so far -- Super Green Supreme was excellent. Took a 48 hour break from kratom before trying 4g of Green Maeng Da today, and it was actually too much! No wobbles, but a little nauseous and overly impaired. I am sure it will be outstanding at a lower dose / not right after a break. Good reminder for me to start low with new strains.

walla2wanderer wrote:I have only tried 2 so far -- Super Green Supreme was excellent. Took a 48 hour break from kratom before trying 4g of Green Maeng Da today, and it was actually too much! No wobbles, but a little nauseous and overly impaired. I am sure it will be outstanding at a lower dose / not right after a break. Good reminder for me to start low with new strains.

If get nauseous, add some food right away. I make this mistake often after a nice break but with some food it evens everything out fast. 48hour break? i would def cut it in half even thought it still might be alot to some.

Green Sumpur.

Has anyone tried classic greenmd ?

FartBlaster wrote:Has anyone tried classic greenmd ?

I just got some a few days ago. I did burn it once and it was a real nice mid spec. Kinda perfect for a all around the middle effect leaf. Although I was on a little weekend roAd trip and my burn was a little too close together. So I plan to try it again tomorrow to get a better review on it

FartBlaster wrote:Has anyone tried classic greenmd ?

Tried the Classic G.M.D. this A.M. It has a really uplifting and smooth feel to it and
it's slightly energetic. Pain relief was on point too! This is one of the better Green Maeng
Da's I've had the pleasure of trying and, for me, this is connoisseur grade leaf! I find myself
saying that quite a lot when it comes to TFH leaf! Excellent quality all around!

walla2wanderer wrote:Took a 48 hour break from kratom before trying 4g of Green Maeng Da today, and it was actually too much! No wobbles, but a little nauseous and overly impaired. I am sure it will be outstanding at a lower dose / not right after a break. Good reminder for me to start low with new strains.

Totally! Same here, just finished a Two plus Two break on Sunday.. 2 days of taper followed by 2 days off! Now... wOw. Getting what seems like, my best burn of 2019? for New Years Eve! and its.. drum roll please.. 30 Year Wild White TFH.

This 30 Year Wild White, as you suggest walla2wanderer.. Is almost TOO much at only 3g, right after a T break. Very heady effect, 1st hour not a headache but fast in a good way, along with strong body buzz and euph.. I'm enjoying music, playing some guitar, mood elevated, two hours now and keeps comin on.. I wanted to also Reply, add mine to those Classic G-M-D recs I did order a 250 of that Classic GMD is some high grade leaf. I always rotate and lately, been doing TFH on alternate days with other vendors' stuff & the TFH stacks up very well vs quality wise!! Anyway think I'll start a discussion on this 2+2 Break, looking forward to Happy New Year everyone!

Like almost everyone else, I was really impressed with the 30 Year Wild White. I also loved the Green Elephant Hulu (A2) -maybe not quite as much mood lift as the 30yr WW, but better pain relief. Might just be the best pain-killing kratom I've ever had. I'm thinking of trying a mix of the two for those "I hurt but I've got stuff to do anyway" days.

Currently enjoying some Red Sumpur M5 this evening as the third burn of the day and man, is it fantastic. Hell of a Sunday night treat. Had the Wild Green Hulu IR- 2 for lunch from a sample and it was one of, if not my favorite green in a while, up there with the Green Sumpur and 30 Year Wild Super Green for me. I'm not a connoisseur with full tasting skills like many of you so some of the nuances of the strains are lost on me but with TFH I feel like its like drinking $200 bottles of wine for the same price as the convenience store bottles. In my humble opinion, there's a new king in Kratown and he is from Texas.

The "30 year TFH (red) - IR14" just got to the sample and all i have to say is WOOW.. It has pronounced sweet ass fast/relaxing feel with a burst of euphoria. over 5 hours feeling great... Its on my list for next order, i wish i tried this sample earlier. One of a kind that's for sure, one of my favorites and i rated it 10/10, if you dont like this strain then there is something wrong with your chemistry.