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We are very excited to introduce our newest addition to our menu the "Full Spec Speciosa Tablets".
With 75mg total alkaloids, 33% secondary alkaloids with NO 7OH. A full spectrum experience. All natural, all green extraction. To check them out head over to herbapumps.com

Just a quick Reply = I checked this product, Link below and the Marketing is really WEIRD - seems they are hiding or refusing to give the MAIN alkaloid = Mitragynine ??

Its like that old Wendy's hamburger commercial "Where's The Beef" ?? MIT = the most prominent alkaloid in Kratom. You're promoting an Extract product "Secondary Alkaloids" but = NO DETAILS of which alkaloids there are ?? PLUS demonizing of 7-Hydroxy which IS a metabolite of MIT... sorry. Something wrong here.

https://herbapumps.com/full-spec-specio ... uct-guide/

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:05 pm Just a quick Reply = I checked this product, Link below and the Marketing is really WEIRD - seems they are hiding or refusing to give the MAIN alkaloid = Mitragynine ??

Its like that old Wendy's hamburger commercial "Where's The Beef" ?? MIT = the most prominent alkaloid in Kratom. You're promoting an Extract product "Secondary Alkaloids" but = NO DETAILS of which alkaloids there are ?? PLUS demonizing of 7-Hydroxy which IS a metabolite of MIT... sorry. Something wrong here.

https://herbapumps.com/full-spec-specio ... uct-guide/

Ballz

Yeah, they are sending out marketing which essentially says that 7OZ is the devil and will kill you. LOL - well, just that it's BAD and what they have is GOOD.

I will say this - I've tried Herba Re-Leaf's other products and am not impressed. And my 7OZ DOES impress. So - it's an odd hill to pick to die on. I have no idea if their tables are better than their other "extracts" but their whole approach of sending this email out left me completely cold. I won't be buying anything more from them (I spent a LOT - and was hugely disappointed).

I like the new tabs. I get energy out of them, which is a nice switch up from the relaxation that the elemit caps gave me.

I fully trust Herba releaf and their new tablets work great for me! They are fully transparent about their products and wouldn’t sell items that harm folks. When I’ve had questions they have answered with no issues. There’s too many people selling the 70h and Herba isn’t for the 70h they stand on that and I’m grateful! There’s nothing shady about them whatsoever so I don’t understand the comment above saying it’s shady or whatever.

7oz is different, and stronger, than extracts, so there's a chance that's why it didn't work well for you. 7oh is comparable to morphine. If you took something less strong, it would barely work. I've accidentally taken too much liquid extract and ended up wobbling, its not fun. Personally, I couldn't imagine taking 7oh. I'm not knocking you for it, but I wouldn't go near it, especially after the stories I've read from people I know.

This! The transparency the company does, especially on 7oh, us why I choose to stick with them to get my extracts from.

Plus the studies done on 70h by Mccurdy is enough to tell me stay away from that stuff. Also do not like how they are selling it in gas stations in ice cream cone form and other weird stuff. Their marketing is super sus when you see the 70h products in the gas stations and smoke shops. People are free to do what they wanna do if you wanna take the chance of using that stuff be aware and fully educate yourself on it, there’s tons of people sharing horror stories after using the 70h a few times. And the studies speak for themselves.

LOL - you probably remember all the "horror stories" about folks using kratom, right? It's always the same.

As with ANYTHING you need to do things right, pick reputable dealers, and don't abuse. But 7OZ is NOT the devil - and, as I said, it works. Even in very small doses. Whereas the Herbal stuff just doesn't. For me (as always, everything we post here is anecdotal because NO scientific studies have been done. NONE).

Someday, long after I'm dead, I'm sure there will be folks with the proper science who may figure this all out (our own University of Florida is at the forefront of this and they are STILL way behind - might take at least another decade or two). In the meantime we all have to decide for ourselves and act accordingly. But I still say Herbal sounded VERY self-serving in their condemnation of a product without ANY evidence. For that reason alone I'll stay away from them.